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He is a personal trainer no less. He was working out and started losing feeling on one side and called me. He spent 5 days in ICU (no insurance, like a lot of trainers, so he's likely gonna be bankrupt).
Good news is he's likely to make a full recovery. He's always insisted he's never done any PEDs and he rants against them so I gotta go with that.
No family history. No history of hypertension. His only risk factor was that he 'dipped'.
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Nicotine will spike the BP, could have been a big factor.
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I wish him a full recovery.My dad had a stroke in a hospital waiting room with me sitting next to him. He survived. I am truly thankful for the people in the medical profession.
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You don't get out of this world alive. The healthy ones get carried out the same way the big fat ones do. I was in the hospital last year with bp issues for 4 days getting tests run. The bill was well over 30k. I have insurance so they ran every test they could think of. I left there with no advice on what to do other then see my fam doc. She upped my bp meds and that's all it took. I feel for your friend,damn shame he didn't see fit to have insurance,there's no excuse for that.
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That sucks. I was 43 and in good shape when I had my heart attack. Thank god I had insurance.
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...damn shame he didn't see fit to have insurance,there's no excuse for that.
He was pretty certain he was bulletproof. I've seen that a lot.
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Sorry to hear about your friend Chet. I had a co-worker that had a stroke also in his mid forties. Not a close friend but had a good bit of interaction at work. All appearances were that he recovered fully, hope the same for your bud. Quote:
I feel for your friend,damn shame he didn't see fit to have insurance,there's no excuse for that.
tigeramerica, bit of a bold statement. I left full time employment several years ago and have only been able to get very part time work since. No benefits as you might expect. The Cobra (insurance) package I received after leaving the cable company had a staggering cost to keep insurance coverage. And that was not as complete as I had through work. I don't currently earn enough in a month to pay the monthly premium! No, I do not currently have nor can afford health insurance. I don't qualify for assistance because I do have a retirement account and still have some money in the bank, I'm only 53 by the way.
Sorry about the rant, I held off as I read this early this morning but that statement has bugged me all day.
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Bold statement maybe. But look at the results of not being insured in many of these cases.I know people who work a second job just to pay there insurance. Its too important a thing to leave to chance.
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You don't get out of this world alive. The healthy ones get carried out the same way the big fat ones do. I was in the hospital last year with bp issues for 4 days getting tests run. The bill was well over 30k. I have insurance so they ran every test they could think of. I left there with no advice on what to do other then see my fam doc. She upped my bp meds and that's all it took. I feel for your friend,damn shame he didn't see fit to have insurance,there's no excuse for that.
For many people medical insurance is just plain not affordable. From the unemployed, and underemployed, to the self employed.
I dont know insurance was the deciding factor here either. Insurance dont mean nothing will happen to you , or that when it does that it will save you.
Sorry for the bad news bro.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Bold statement maybe. But look at the results of not being insured in many of these cases.I know people who work a second job just to pay there insurance. Its too important a thing to leave to chance.
So they are a slave. And thats ok with you.
Plus with unemployment as high as it is under employment even higher.
To callously proclaim he should have a thing without you knowing his situation is just nonsense and mean spirited.
Who knows why he didnt have insurance likely he couldn't afford it. As over half the population of the USA.
I'm sure you have had insurance all your life, and rainbows come out of your arse when ya drop trou. For more than most its not a reality for them.
Hey guess what..........thats why the gooberment is makin laws about it now, like it or not.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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And now let the "Debate" begin, gentlemen!  (...and in the meantime I'll be over in that "Training Course" thread makin' fun of how many Harley riders haven't got a freakin' clue about how to ride a motorcycle!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Sorry to hear about your friend. Best wishes for him! I'm not going to debate the price of health insurance or government intervention in health insurance. But to me, health insurance, and disability coverage is a "must have". If you have a catastrohpic event without it, you're screwed.  Stay well! 
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Catastrophic coverage is not usually that expensive for fairly healthy young people. Where we run into trouble is when we are older, sick or want to load up the program with lots of extras and low deductibles.
It all depends on your priorities.
On one hand, you can be like a neighbor of mine, buying a new pickup, a Harley, drinking like a fish on weekends, maxing out credit cards and looking forward to having his neighbors pay his medical bills because he can't "afford" medical insurance.
Or you can be like a friend at church, he's a farmer who pays for a high deductible program that only pays off in case of catastrophic illness or accident. He pays for all the little stuff himself, and gets a good price by paying cash. He spends quite a bit of money on insurance and healthcare but he will never have to declare bankruptcy because of an illness or accident.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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There is a difference in being irresponsible and not being able to afford coverage.
My 50/50 $5000 per year deductable is basically catastrophic coverage. At near $100 weekly that way outta many peoples range. Ive never had a new car and live in a small ranch pattybstyle house in the woods $50,000 home. And I know many far less well off than me. They simply cant afford it.
The lack of compassion for a human is my problem with some of the above posts.
A human had a stroke. A friend of one of our friends. And it may weol bankrupt the fella.
Another friend of mine had a stroke a year ago . A poor self employed carpenter who mostly tryed to help folks who would do work on the cheap for elderlies and less fortunates, but charged those who could pay more a fair rate. He didnt have insurance so we did a benefit for him and helped with his bill.
The fact remains the fact many people camt afford it while some dont think they need it. But there is a huge number of people below the line inaffording the stuff. If there was no problem I dont think govco would be bothering with it.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Were all slaves chad. If you have a payment of any sort to make or taxes to pay then you are a slave for certain. Yeah,I do think its ok to work whatever jobs you need to so you can be responsibly insured. I certainly don't think its ok to be a burden to others because you cant pay your own bills.
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So no one said he would burden anyone. We already hashed over the virtues of insurance companies in another thread so Ill not go into it over again.
I think the notion of working your whole life for the gain of everyone other than yourself is a dispicable commentary on our society. Poor people must be slaves to the rich. Bull ******! People working two jobs to make ends meet is bull ******.
An honest days work for an honest days pay yes. But work to pay and pay and ya need something else so work some more.
People who work need a break.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Especially when its mostly lawers and insurance companies that cause medical to be outta reach of the average working guy.
Too say those who work and get poverty wages should just work more is ****** off. Not everyone can do the desireable jobs because those wonderful office jobs wouldnt be there if the dock worker , assembly line worker, construction worker, cashier, and the other blue collared guys didnt do their jobs. Yet its ok to pay them less than a living wage
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Then drive up the cost of living so you can take thier check right back.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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There are many people out there who are the working poor. They took the work they got because circumstances beyond their control. Most are hard working good people and for elitists to say they should just work more makes them ass holes.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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There are many people out there who are the working poor. They took the work they got because circumstances beyond their control. Most are hard working good people and for elitists to say they should just work more makes them ass holes.
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There are many people out there who are the working poor. They took the work they got because circumstances beyond their control. Most are hard working good people and for elitists to say they should just work more makes them ass holes.
Health insurance should be paid for out of our taxes just like it is IN EVERY OTHER FRICKIN' INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
Get hurt or sick in France (or Germany, Austria, blah, blah) go to the hospital and see a doctor. You'll never see a bill.
"America has the greatest medical system in the world."
No, we don't. We're 37th. Just after Slovenia. We not even close. I've lived all over the world. Our health care system is abysmal compared to most countries. Sure, you can get better boob jobs, nose jobs, and penile implants here, just not basic health care.
If you are an American citizen and you need health care all you should have to do is show up at the door, just like pretty much everywhere else where people aren't starving in the streets.
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"America has the greatest medical system in the world."...No, we don't.
Now c'mon Chet! SURE we do!
(...well, okay, IF ya add the following caveat to that sentence anyway..."That money can buy")
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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There is a difference in being irresponsible and not being able to afford coverage.
My 50/50 $5000 per year deductable is basically catastrophic coverage. At near $100 weekly that way outta many peoples range. Ive never had a new car and live in a small ranch pattybstyle house in the woods $50,000 home. And I know many far less well off than me. They simply cant afford it.
The lack of compassion for a human is my problem with some of the above posts.
A human had a stroke. A friend of one of our friends. And it may weol bankrupt the fella.
Another friend of mine had a stroke a year ago . A poor self employed carpenter who mostly tryed to help folks who would do work on the cheap for elderlies and less fortunates, but charged those who could pay more a fair rate. He didnt have insurance so we did a benefit for him and helped with his bill.
The fact remains the fact many people camt afford it while some dont think they need it. But there is a huge number of people below the line inaffording the stuff. If there was no problem I dont think govco would be bothering with it.
Of course there is a problem, and government causes much of it. The government is getting involved because there is a lot of power in controlling people's healthcare. Politicians like to exercise power but seldom do so effectively or fairly. Right now they are trying to get one group to depend upon them so that they will vote for them in perpetuity. I'm pretty sure my neighbor doesn't owe me free healthcare any more than he owes me a car or a house, but too many politicians are selling the snake oil that there is a free lunch with regard to healthcare.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I dont pretend to know the answer. And I dont much trust the gooberment. I know it dont have to be as complicated as it is.
I also know perpetuating a system that widens the disparities between the working class and the elites is wrong. I also know that free rides are wrong too. A fair wage for a days work is not too much to ask for. And medical that isnt driven by share holder pocket books is not impossible, and it dont have to be a govco bureaucracy either.
The Constitution allows govco to regulate trade and reasonable regulation is paramount.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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There is one interesting fact to keep in mind when considering government and medicine. The money wasted by medicare fraud is almost 4 times as much as the profits of all the medical insurance companies combined. 13 billion in profit for the top 14 private insurers and 48 billion in medicare fraud. And to think, people want to put these clowns in charge of the entire medical system!  http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/03...form-priceless/
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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This is a very deceptive comparison. “Profit” is a narrowly defined part of the overhead involved in private insurance. It doesn’t count, for example the billions in salary and bonuses made by United Health executives alone in the last 10 years, nor does it include the 1.5 million per day private health insurance pays for lobbyists in Washington. (plus marketing, litigation… private jets that are written off as business expenses… )
Not to mention the conveniently overlooked elephant in the room: Private insurance companies are not fraud free!
In other words for this article to mean anything you have to swallow some pretty big bs pills:
Profit is the only extra cost associated with private health insurance.
There is only fraud in Medicare… no fraud at all ever in private health insurance.
The only real meaningful comparison you can make is total overhead vs total overhead… that is the money they take in in premiums vs the money they pay out in legitimate medical coverage. Any other kind of comparison is a lie.
In that honest apples to apples comparison Medicare wins hands down.
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I am sorry he had a stroke. If he doesn't pay for it, then you can rest assured somebody is paying for it. Guess who that is? You all get one try. Health insurance, that real expensive stuff, is real expensive because of overcharges by the hospital. They charge us all via health carriers more to make up the shortfall. The hospital will be paid for Peter from the insurer for Paul. If you are jealous of the money the health executives make, in your lifetime you have never been prohibited from getting a MBA from Brown, or a MD from Harvard. You could have been them if you wanted. They make about 3%. But its 3% of a ton of money. Any fluctuation in the market and they are on the fringe of going down. All that glitters is not gold. Go back to school, be a CEO, be happy. The only thing not fair about somebody making 100 million is its not me making it. 
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The only thing not fair about somebody making 100 million is its not me making it.
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I feel really bad for yer buddy. Hope he recovers well.
On a side note; and not to get into this debate or whatever you wanna call it about insurance and govco crap. I honestly think that if WE as a socity were more involved in our own personal health care, (ie eating better, exercise on and on) then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. I hardly ever go to the Dr., hospital, clinic, what-have-you, never did unless I REALLY needed to. But on the rare ocassion when I have I always see someone in the ER for a freaking cough, sore throught, paper cut, blah, blah, blah. I think I had more to say about this but getting frustrated about the whole thing, just put some dang ice on it.
One mo thing we are no longer the fattest nation in the world anymore, Mexico is. Hmmm.........
And No, I'm not a freaking healh nut, far from it, but I don't shove a big mac and fries in may face everyday and wash it down with a half gallon of coke either.
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This is a very deceptive comparison. “Profit” is a narrowly defined part of the overhead involved in private insurance. It doesn’t count, for example the billions in salary and bonuses made by United Health executives alone in the last 10 years, nor does it include the 1.5 million per day private health insurance pays for lobbyists in Washington. (plus marketing, litigation… private jets that are written off as business expenses… )
Not to mention the conveniently overlooked elephant in the room: Private insurance companies are not fraud free!
In other words for this article to mean anything you have to swallow some pretty big bs pills:
Profit is the only extra cost associated with private health insurance.
There is only fraud in Medicare… no fraud at all ever in private health insurance.
The only real meaningful comparison you can make is total overhead vs total overhead… that is the money they take in in premiums vs the money they pay out in legitimate medical coverage. Any other kind of comparison is a lie.
In that honest apples to apples comparison Medicare wins hands down.
You must mean that the government employees and contractors work for free? No cost there is there! I'm guessing you assume non-profits, and their employees, work for free? Certainly they must be paragons of thrift and frugality! No waste there! Give me a freaking break. You whine about for profit companies making money and then say their profits mean nothing.
Profit making companies, unlike the government and most "non-profits," actually have an incentive to curtail fraud and waste. It cuts into the bottom line and pisses off the stockholders. You act as if a huge salary for the head of an insurance company is an outrage but apparently don't care so much if the government pisses away tens of billions. I guess as long as it's done by the government it's morally superior. I love it when people who want to put government bureaucrats in charge of healthcare whine about the heartlessness of insurance companies, just wait until the US equivalent of Britain's NICE decides you're not worth the expense of healthcare and, like Canada, you have nowhere else to go. We are already putting the IRS in charge of collections, perhaps we can put the DMV in charge of operations. As for the way medicare keeps down costs, they only pay a fraction of the actual costs, private insurance picks up the rest through the rest of us. Medicare is a scam perpetrated by politicians to buy the old folks vote. It doesn't pay it's own way, it's going broke anyway and has a huge overhead that is never calculated because it's employees are government employees. Fifty billion in fraud, how many expensive CEOs and lobbyists can you buy for that? Are you actually claiming that no one in DC lobbys for government? As for the money spent on lobbyists in DC, if government had complete control of your livelihood (read testicles), and lots of politicians wanting to skim off your income (read, squeeze them off), would YOU want a say in that or would you leave it strictly up the politicians and bureaucrats? The only people who don't have/need lobbyists are the ones government leaves alone.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I am sorry he had a stroke. If he doesn't pay for it, then you can rest assured somebody is paying for it. Guess who that is? You all get one try.
Health insurance, that real expensive stuff, is real expensive because of overcharges by the hospital. They charge us all via health carriers more to make up the shortfall. The hospital will be paid for Peter from the insurer for Paul.
If you are jealous of the money the health executives make, in your lifetime you have never been prohibited from getting a MBA from Brown, or a MD from Harvard. You could have been them if you wanted. They make about 3%. But its 3% of a ton of money. Any fluctuation in the market and they are on the fringe of going down. All that glitters is not gold. Go back to school, be a CEO, be happy.
The only thing not fair about somebody making 100 million is its not me making it.
A big reason healthcare insurance is so expensive is that we want every little thing covered. I don't want to pay for childbirth, abortion, birth control, mental health, substance abuse treatment, routine exams, and emergency room coverage for minor problems but the government thinks I need it. I'm willing to pay a large deductible and shop around for non-emergency care but the government thinks I need them instead.
When people get anything for free they waste it, misuse it and abuse it. Healthcare is no different.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Insurance companies are regulated by the states, much like utilities. That is why, much like utilities, profits margins are low. Most lobbying is done in state capitals. Gammon's law always takes place when resources are allocated to gov bureaucracies, input increases, output decreases. Just like our gov schools, they become black holes. I hope Smokey's friend comes out of this OK in the long run. We should all remember that after 40, we are not ironmen anymore, things wear out. It doesn't mater how much you workout, although you will look better checking in for the hip or knee replacement. 
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That 3% thing is deceptive. Insurance companies show about a 3% profit. But profit is after salaries, benefits, paid travel, and other expenses.
Anyone who has a business that is profitable in high volume can afford many things to keep the margins down.
Now I dont begrudge anyone profits. But you may want to consider that we have a problem and govco will interfere whenbthere is a problem.
In relationship to premiums, well, premiums pay those million dollar salaries, and business trips to the south of France.
There is a lot to consider when you want to make medical affordable.
Things like admin. cost, and the cost of fighting for payments from people insurance companies who want to get out of paying or delay paying. That stuff drives up cost. That inturn drives up coverage. Until one day most of the working class just cant afford it. Then govco steps in and you have a huge mess.
My anger is at the lambasting of a person who failed to have coverage as if coverage was easy and readily affordable to all. Its just plain old not. So its easy for me to just have sympathy for a fellow man who is hurtin for certain. I hope he and his family recover from this as quickly as possible.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
Edgar Allan Poe
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Yes, profit = revenues - expenses. Always has, always will.
One thing many don't understand the huge contingency reserves insurance companies must maintain, in a gov system it's just a promise to pay, mostly on the backs of the young. Like SS and Medicare, the premiums (taxes) will be deposited into the general fund.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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I am sorry he had a stroke. If he doesn't pay for it, then you can rest assured somebody is paying for it. Guess who that is? You all get one try.
Health insurance, that real expensive stuff, is real expensive because of overcharges by the hospital. They charge us all via health carriers more to make up the shortfall. The hospital will be paid for Peter from the insurer for Paul.
If you are jealous of the money the health executives make, in your lifetime you have never been prohibited from getting a MBA from Brown, or a MD from Harvard. You could have been them if you wanted. They make about 3%. But its 3% of a ton of money. Any fluctuation in the market and they are on the fringe of going down. All that glitters is not gold. Go back to school, be a CEO, be happy.
The only thing not fair about somebody making 100 million is its not me making it.
You skipped the part about committing fraud. The current Florida governor's company got fined $1.7 billion because of the money it stole from Medicare. Florida laws are a bit obtuse to me (and most of the country). I guess it was go to prison or become governor. I suppose that's consistent.
I no longer live down there but I understand his position on Medicaid is 'If I can't steal it nobody gets it.'
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I am sorry he had a stroke. If he doesn't pay for it, then you can rest assured somebody is paying for it. Guess who that is? You all get one try.
Health insurance, that real expensive stuff, is real expensive because of overcharges by the hospital. They charge us all via health carriers more to make up the shortfall. The hospital will be paid for Peter from the insurer for Paul.
If you are jealous of the money the health executives make, in your lifetime you have never been prohibited from getting a MBA from Brown, or a MD from Harvard. You could have been them if you wanted. They make about 3%. But its 3% of a ton of money. Any fluctuation in the market and they are on the fringe of going down. All that glitters is not gold. Go back to school, be a CEO, be happy.
The only thing not fair about somebody making 100 million is its not me making it.
You skipped the part about committing fraud. The current Florida governor's company got fined $1.7 billion because of the money it stole from Medicare. Florida laws are a bit obtuse to me (and most of the country). I guess it was go to prison or become governor. I suppose that's consistent.
I no longer live down there but I understand his position on Medicaid is 'If I can't steal it nobody gets it.'
So, let me get this straight, a CEO of "the world's largest health care provider with more than 340 hospitals, 130 surgery centers, and 550 home health locations in 38 states and two foreign countries. With annual revenues in excess of $23 billion, the company employed more than 285,000 people" personally committed fraud? The corporation committed 14 felonies. If CEOs are personally responsible and liable for all scandals, then US House of Representatives need to get busy. But, the real world doesn't work like that.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
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Yes, profit = revenues - expenses. Always has, always will.
One thing many don't understand the huge contingency reserves insurance companies must maintain, in a gov system it's just a promise to pay, mostly on the backs of the young. Like SS and Medicare, the premiums (taxes) will be deposited into the general fund.
Like I said , I dont know the answers. Dont think a govco bureaucracy is the answer, maybe that some simple reasonable regulations may work. Maybe not. Whats happening now aint working for sure.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
Edgar Allan Poe
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I am sorry he had a stroke. If he doesn't pay for it, then you can rest assured somebody is paying for it. Guess who that is? You all get one try.
Health insurance, that real expensive stuff, is real expensive because of overcharges by the hospital. They charge us all via health carriers more to make up the shortfall. The hospital will be paid for Peter from the insurer for Paul.
If you are jealous of the money the health executives make, in your lifetime you have never been prohibited from getting a MBA from Brown, or a MD from Harvard. You could have been them if you wanted. They make about 3%. But its 3% of a ton of money. Any fluctuation in the market and they are on the fringe of going down. All that glitters is not gold. Go back to school, be a CEO, be happy.
The only thing not fair about somebody making 100 million is its not me making it.
You skipped the part about committing fraud. The current Florida governor's company got fined $1.7 billion because of the money it stole from Medicare. Florida laws are a bit obtuse to me (and most of the country). I guess it was go to prison or become governor. I suppose that's consistent.
I no longer live down there but I understand his position on Medicaid is 'If I can't steal it nobody gets it.'
I don't understand what this would have to do with your friend being responsible for his health insurance. Government fraud and waste are everywhere. About 200 billion in the military alone.
Its sad, but my rates are high because your friend didn't have health insurance. On a personal level I wish he had not had a stroke, that is sad. On a financial level I wish he had health insurance. His health is not my responsibility. If he has to go bankrupt, so be it.
Life is not always fair and he does not have the right to not take care of his bills. I know it sucks.
I bet he doesn't pay his bill and I bet they don't file a lawsuit against him for it. I hope he gets better soon. He should take that $5.00 per day on dip and put it toward insurance.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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So, let me get this straight, a CEO of "the world's largest health care provider with more than 340 hospitals, 130 surgery centers, and 550 home health locations in 38 states and two foreign countries. With annual revenues in excess of $23 billion, the company employed more than 285,000 people" personally committed fraud? The corporation committed 14 felonies. If CEOs are personally responsible and liable for all scandals, then US House of Representatives need to get busy. But, the real world doesn't work like that.
So, let me get this straight, Columbia/ HCA set up a fraud network that spanned five states, used 29 fake storefronts and tried to steal $100 million from Medicare and Medicare Advantage but the CEO was unaware of it.
Why is it CEO's are never to blame in RightWorld?
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So, let me get this straight, a CEO of "the world's largest health care provider with more than 340 hospitals, 130 surgery centers, and 550 home health locations in 38 states and two foreign countries. With annual revenues in excess of $23 billion, the company employed more than 285,000 people" personally committed fraud?
Well, he's NOW the CEO of MY state! Let's see what happens now. Oh, wait, ... 
And you may see me tonight
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