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Yep, like I said, I "had a feelin'" I was onto somethin' there!  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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You're right Dwight.
It's not the first time I've said a few words about Thatcher.[Before she died]
Chad I'll show the same decency she showed to her"subjects".
I wont "bend my knee"to tyrants.
You folks had a revolution about it as I heard ?
Now,a message to myself, 
Now lets not missunderstand each other here. I am not saying respect a person you have none for. Only respect that death comes for us all and that she had loved ones. Maybe some of her loved ones disagreed with her as well, but were family, friends, and colleagues. There are others to concider besides her.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Looking back I think she got a few things right.
Hunger strikers, she did not give in to them.
Falklands, Would probably be speaking Argentine today.
Europe, not keen.
On the minus side she did shut down most of the coal industry, and we could do with that today.
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HEY now, Stephen! What kinda talk is THAT here, what with some attempt at an even-handed assessment that neither overly praises the deceased subject's life nor damns it to an eternal Hell???? (...dude, are you sure you're at the correct website here???)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Thatcher dead. I'm sure she'll meet up with her old pals, like Robert Maxwell and Gereral Pinochet.
Worlds a better place without the likes of her. 
Yep, all the old Fascists are dying off.
Tell me again why that's sad.
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Ahem...Chet...in case you don't know this, but there's a BIG difference between those who unlike ourselves believe in total deregulation and the Free Market is always right AND those who believe in the concepts of Fascism. You see, the term "Fascism" means(as I'm sure you REALLY know):"To unify a nation through a totalitarian state, and the use of ideology consistently invoked to the primacy of the state." And dude, as far as I know, Maggie(AND Ronnie for that matter) NEVER sought the creation of a system with their governments "in charge" of everything. Nope, what they WANTED was that the International CORPORATIONS would be in charge of everything. And thus, Maggie was in NO manner a freakin' "Fascist". (...now WHY is it that it seems I'm the ONLY freakin' Centrist around here who feels compelled to smack all you around here who lean too far to the freakin' Left OR too far to the freakin' Right in your opinions, HUH???...c'mon now, there's GOT to be at least a FEW other Centrists around here, RIGHT?...oh, and that's right, "Centrists aren't supposed to be vocal", are they!...sorry, I must've forgotten that) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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And this (meaning this thread) is the reason we almost missed Tom's birthday!
Live to love, love to live.
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You should see some of the stuff over this side on the pond.
Margaret Thatcher has passed away today. When she arrived at the gates of hell who should greet her but none other than Jimmy Saville. What are you here for he asks, Shafting miners she replies. Same as me beams Saville.
Not to worry though, she has already shut down three furnaces.
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And this (meaning this thread) is the reason we almost missed Tom's birthday!
Yep!
(...well, THIS one and that "Houston Rampage" thread, anyway!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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http://thequietus.com/articles/11886-margaret-thatcher-obituaryThis is a pretty good article to summarize the divisions of feeling for her in the UK. Its a bit long but worth a read. I grew up in England during the 80's and early 90's. One of the reasons I left was to flee from the destruction that C##t did to the UK. Unfortunately Americans never saw or comprehended what she really did,they have a romanticized historical remembrance. The Reagan/thatcher glory years. Lady thatcher,may you burn in hell. If that makes me a bad person,so be it. Anyway back to bikes,great weather huh? What kind of oil do you use? Helmets....i love 'em. Who oils their chain? 
Bill.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
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Thatcher dead. I'm sure she'll meet up with her old pals, like Robert Maxwell and Gereral Pinochet.
Worlds a better place without the likes of her.
Yep, all the old Fascists are dying off.
Tell me again why that's sad.
Define Fascist.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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(...now WHY is it that it seems I'm the ONLY freakin' Centrist around here who feels compelled to smack all you around here who lean too far to the freakin' Left OR too far to the freakin' Right in your opinions, HUH???...c'mon now, there's GOT to be at least a FEW other Centrists around here, RIGHT?...oh, and that's right, "Centrists aren't supposed to be vocal", are they!...sorry, I must've forgotten that)
Because it's useless Dwight.
Ya see, those on the extremes see any point of view other than their own as being the opposite extreme. Us V Them. If you don't agree with me completely then you disagree with me completely, if you're not with us you're against us, etc.
It's the old flat earth thing. If I can see only as far as the horizon (center) then that's where it ends.
Contra todo mal, mezcal; contra todo bien, también
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I'm pretty sure I already covered this and "corrected" Chet's "misnomer" earlier, Larry.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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(...now WHY is it that it seems I'm the ONLY freakin' Centrist around here who feels compelled to smack all you around here who lean too far to the freakin' Left OR too far to the freakin' Right in your opinions, HUH???...c'mon now, there's GOT to be at least a FEW other Centrists around here, RIGHT?...oh, and that's right, "Centrists aren't supposed to be vocal", are they!...sorry, I must've forgotten that)
Because it's useless Dwight.
Ya see, those on the extremes see any point of view other than their own as being the opposite extreme. Us V Them. If you don't agree with me completely then you disagree with me completely, if you're not with us you're against us, etc.
It's the old flat earth thing. If I can see only as far as the horizon (center) then that's where it ends.
Aah! So THAT'S why all us Centrists out there don't speak up anymore, huh Bill?! They've just GIVEN UP, eh?!
(...and here I was gettin' to the point of thinkin' that all ya ever hear anymore are from the EXTREMES is 'cause THAT'S the only thing that gets AIRPLAY anymore...you know, that whole "Ratings" thing, WHICH of course just reinforces all those opinions FROM the extremes...hmmmm, live and learn, I guess!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Centrists?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Centrists?
Hey Larry! Just a suggestion here, but ya MIGHT wanna review what Bill just SO insightfully wrote!
'Cause I THINK it MIGHT be a little more illuminating to ya than it was funny, once ya REALLY grasps the crux of it!
'Cause try as I might, I JUST can't recall YOU ever "correcting" ANYBODY who you might've felt was even CLOSE to being a "kindred spirit" of yours WAY out there on the Right!!! Ya see, now THAT'S funny!!! 
(...and kinda sad at the SAME TIME!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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You should see some of the stuff over this side on the pond.
Margaret Thatcher has passed away today. When she arrived at the gates of hell who should greet her but none other than Jimmy Saville. What are you here for he asks, Shafting miners she replies. Same as me beams Saville.
Not to worry though, she has already shut down three furnaces.
ahahahahaha feckin brilliant Stephen (i'll be stealin that ).
All im gonna say is thanks to her, i made the right decision to move my wife, wee lassie and myself to Canada .end of
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Btw Larry! AIN'T this fun?! Why, it's just like the OLD DAYS!!! (...'cept I think I'm beginnin' to get the feelin' that you're softenin' up in your old age...yep, I think you might've actually moved almost THREE deviations from the norm way out there AND to the Center since way back then if ya ask ME...well, it's either THAT or you're sure bein' awfully QUIET lately, anyway!!!)
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I can't believe you consider me right wing. Anyone to my left is a hard core leftist loonie, I'm a "centrist" don't ya know.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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either THAT or you're sure bein' awfully QUIET lately, anyway!!!)
Owning your own business, working 60+ hours a week and still doing other things will do that to a guy.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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either THAT or you're sure bein' awfully QUIET lately, anyway!!!)
Owning your own business, working 60+ hours a week and still doing other things will do that to a guy.
So, what you're REALLY sayin' here is that UNLIKE myself, YOU actually HAVE A LIFE, huh?!
Well, good for ya, ol' buddy, I'm glad to hear it.
(...though I gotta warn ya that that 60 hour-a-week work stuff at OUR age CAN and sometimes DOES led to a whole lot of health issues, so be sure to take care of yourself...I mean the LAST thing I wanna hear is that I'm gonna have one less of you Right Wingers out there I can joke around with and make fun of whenever it strikes my fancy, and while I'm sittin' right behind and in the "center" of this here keyboard!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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http://thequietus.com/articles/11886-margaret-thatcher-obituary
This is a pretty good article to summarize the divisions of feeling for her in the UK. Its a bit long but worth a read.
I read the article and this back-and-forth made me laugh;
Duncan Bowtell · London, United Kingdom
What utter nonsense. History didn't start with Thatcher's regime. You need context to understand why things happen and this lacks it in spades. This is myopic, solipsistic, one-sided nonsense. I can't say Thatcher is a sympathetic character, but she was a leader who made choices that needed to be made.
Amanda Daly
But Duncy Duncs, this writer does acknowledge the context, albeit reluctantly. Still it is in there, he does accept there were other forces at work as well, but you can't deny (even you are the secret love child of Thatcher, as I can only assume you must be given your venom) that she was a driving force, if for no other reason than that she was in no 10 a long time, her disciple Blair was also in no 10 a long time and recent history may be only recent, but it is still history, or herstory (Cough). Both her and Blair craved legacies, don't deny the ole bat hers by saying history didn't start with her - she will turn in her Ritz grave. And that would be terrifying:)
Duncan Bowtell · London, United Kingdom
Amanda, there is no context. It effectively starts history with 'having plunged the country into mass unemployment'. No talk of unions crippling the country, no talk of Labours wasteful management of the economy, high inflation, crippling strikes, crippling tax rates. They talk about the destruction of British industry, but unions had effectively sealed their fate by not working with their bosses years ago. You don't kill off an economy if it is working perfectly well. Even under self-management most of the mines that remained have now gone (or never reached quite the same levels of production).
If the unions had it their way the country would still be subsidising them and to what benefit.
To be honest I wouldn't care if there only a bit more even handed ness in the whole thing.
I'm not sure that selling the rail and utilities was a great idea. But it kept the good ship HMS Britain going until another Labour govt. could screw it up.
Amanda Daly
...but, are you...you know, her love child?
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Left, right, center...........bullshine. We have two parties who define themselves as such but I see the dumb and stupid parties, and there is no good compromise between dumb and stupid.
If either one of them could solve any problem why do our problems why do our problems only get worse no matter who is at the wheel?
We have two factions of fascism. One wants control for them and their supporters and visa versa.
None of them run for office to serve the country. They fight for office because the perks; donations, gifts, and kickbacks. Then they funnel money into their pockets through contracts and pork barrel projects.
They use hot button issues so we will fight among our selves and not see through their coruption.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I nominate Locopony for President
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Thatcher was great for the minority at the expense of the majority
And this is what you call leadership.
Reminds me a lot of Ronald. Who was no friend of mine. 
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Thatcher and Reagan both faced down out of control unions that tried to extort their respective countries into giving them outsized concessions. In Thatchers case it was the miners union who threatened to bankrupt Britain (without so much as a strike vote of the membership) In Reagan's case it was the air traffic controllers who thought they could threaten flight safety and to cost the US untold billions by illegally walking off their jobs.
In neither case did the majority suffer. Rather, it was the arrogant minority that threatened their nations prosperity for selfish gain that suffered. Repeating the lies of those who tried to use their positions to extort huge concessions from taxpayers and were defeated by leaders unwilling to take the easy way out does not make the lies true.
The lefties have been spreading lies and distortions about both of them for decades. I see it as sour grapes, thieves and extortionists who tried their tricks on leaders who refused to be cowed.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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"In neither case did the majority suffer."
I was going to let sleeping dogs lie but when I read this it was too much.It's like saying the majority of Americans didn't suffer in the Civil War because there was more Northerners than Southerners
Ask the Irish, Welsh,Scots and working class English if the majority didn't suffer!
I repeat,You have no comprehension of the pain and suffering she caused.
Suicides,divorces,torn apart families.Brother against brother,father against son.
The rifts that **** caused that still aren't healed and lots will never heal.And,that's before the "Poll Tax"
I really can't understand Americans standing up for her with their inbred sense of fair play and dislike of the "born to rule" class system.
As I also said earlier,you had a revolution against Tyrants.That's how your country was founded.Please don't mention she was a grocers daughter.You know the saying "Power corrupts,etc"
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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+1 Chad.
And + 1 on you for President too.
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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