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Let's see... all my Victory machines have been PRE-2011 and I have put a total of about 96,000 on them with nothing even close to a transmission problem.
You're lucky, go get a lotto ticket. 
Your transmissions still had 66% more backlash (slop) than the 2011s according to Victory.
Victory transmissions had a lot of problems but they recognized it and have finally corrected the issues.
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Let's see... all my Victory machines have been PRE-2011 and I have put a total of about 96,000 on them with nothing even close to a transmission problem.
You're lucky, go get a lotto ticket.
Your transmissions still had 66% more backlash (slop) than the 2011s according to Victory.
Victory transmissions had a lot of problems but they recognized it and have finally corrected the issues.
Finally...right...over 10 years ago... 
Yes, I'm heaving a huge sigh of relief on my - along with countless other Victory riders - luck at having a reliable machine.
Look, if you don't want a Victory or an Indian, don't buy one. Seems like you're happy with your Sportster.
I like the look of a Sporty, but it's just too small of a machine for me. But I do know a lot of gals that ride them.
Funny enough, just last night my son told me his GF's Dad, a life-long HD rider, has already decided to get an Indian based on the engine alone. He's a big dude, and after sitting on one at the NY MC show realized there's way more leg room on an Indian compared to any HD. 
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What components on my Victory were outsourced to China? I know the front end components are. HD front are Japanese I believe. I really don't know. Maybe as many as are on your bike? Are there any components on your Thai built bike not British?
Last I read Victory has the same percentage of U.S. parts as Harley. I am surprised somebody with a Thaiumph would be so concerned with outsourcing.
I almost bought a Victory Vegas 8-ball before deciding on the Triumph this time. The Victory had a big old "Made In China" label wrapped around the main wire harness. Nice bike though a little overdone on the all black, zero chrome trend. Priced about the same as a Harley Dyna Superglide Custom ...without the resale value of course.
This is a quote from Polaris/Victory CEO Scott Wine Quote:
“We’ve decided strategically that we don’t need to be in the seat-making business, we don’t need to be in the stamping business, and we don’t need to be in the tube-bending business,” Wine said outlining the company’s outsourcing strategy, “So we’re going to take those businesses and outsource them.”
Seems like everyone can take a shot at Harley around here but the Victory boys are a little thin skinned.
We are not thin skinned. We don't own Indians. The Ultra cost more or as much as an Indian. It has 18% outsourced parts per the last study. Thailand is common well known news now that they have a full parts and motor plant there. If it cost less to build in Thailand it cost less to fabricate there too.
I was just surprised that a guy with a bike that has as many outsourced parts as mine and a guy who has a totally outsourced Brit bike would think outsourcing is a problem.
Jaguar is made in India now, it cost a lot of money.
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Actually most who know me know I would never buy a Thai Triumph. Its just a personal thing not a hit on the bikes. Triumph is iconic, it should be built in England IMHO>
Also I don't care where they make the Indian. It is a long dead company. Whatever they make will be a knockoff. It will not have Indian DNA. But I do think it will sell.
You are talking about Victory breaking and having problems. They just really don't. I have an 06 100 CID that just won't break. I don't know anybody suffering with problems with the Victory line. So, I think the first shot was fired by you. 
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Also I don't care where they make the Indian. It is a long dead company. Whatever they make will be a knockoff. It will not have Indian DNA.
So Ron, lemme see if I have this correctly here. With this above statement you're basically saying that unlike the Harleys which have been manufactured in Milwaukee since 1903, because the new Indian motorcycles, and even WITH this VERY nice lookin' push rod V-Twin that resembles the old Chiefs and Scouts engines maybe even more than do the latest H-D Twin-Cams to their Knucklehead or Panhead predecessors, that because these Indians won't be manufactured in some old antiquated factory in Springfield MA but instead in some modern factory in the American Midwest, that they "won't have Indian DNA"???
Well then, considering that if even ALL of the new Triumphs featuring DOHC designs and not push rods have been or were being made in a MODERN factory in Hinckley England and never have been made in some antiquated old factory in Meriden England, then I suppose your "DNA" argument would extend to the all newer Triumphs ever made as well, correct? And, this would be the case even IF they were ALL made in the land of Fish and Chips OR in the land which has given us the option of Chicken Pad Thai for lunch, CORRECT?! 
(...and so, in either case, your argument makes this whole "Triumph Heritage" thing a misnomer or misconception also, and with the ONLY difference between these two examples being the length of the time lapsed between the "old" and the "new", CORRECT?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Hey! I like Chicken Pad Thai!
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Yep!
Let's face it, IF you REALLY want a bullet proof bike, it HAS to come from Japan!
Hey erle, news flash here:
This ain't 1976 no more, dude! 
(...meaning of course, a generation ago this would have been SO true, but not so much anymore)
OH YAH!!!
PROVE ME WRONG!
'76 or '13, proportionally, JAP RULES!!! 
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Seems like everyone can take a shot at Harley around here but the Victory boys are a little thin skinned.
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Hey! I like Chicken Pad Thai!
Well, I like Chicken too. 
Not so Pad Thai. 
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Also I don't care where they make the Indian. It is a long dead company. Whatever they make will be a knockoff. It will not have Indian DNA.
So Ron,
No, Triumph wasn't dead and gone for 60 years. There is nothing wrong with it. I think your Spyder is mega cool but it is not a Spyder in the truest sense.
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I see what Ron is saying and agree for the most part. Indian will never feel like Indian to me again no matter what they do because the old company is long dead so now it is only a name no matter what you do. No real heritage. Triumph is and always was Triumph, HD is and always was HD, Honda is and always was Honda. The new Indian is going to be a cool bike I think ,but never a real Indian. I will be a Polaris knock off, probably well made and dependable and I love the look of the new engine but to me you could call it a Polaris and it would be just as cool.
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I see what Ron is saying and agree for the most part. Indian will never feel like Indian to me again no matter what they do because the old company is long dead so now it is only a name no matter what you do. No real heritage. Triumph is and always was Triumph, HD is and always was HD, Honda is and always was Honda. The new Indian is going to be a cool bike I think ,but never a real Indian. I will be a Polaris knock off, probably well made and dependable and I love the look of the new engine but to me you could call it a Polaris and it would be just as cool.
Good point. Using the Indian name would be like Toyota introducing an all-new car and calling it Studebaker or Packard. Maybe Polaris should have copied an even more exclusive American motorcycle manufacturer...Crocker!
Polaris admitted when they introduced Victory motorcycles back in '97 that they wanted a piece of Harley's highly profitable high-end cruiser market so they built only air cooled V-twin cruisers and baggers.
What Polaris could never copy was the heritage, now they think they can buy it with the Indian brand.
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Look, if you don't want a Victory or an Indian, don't buy one. Seems like you're happy with your Sportster.
I like the look of a Sporty, but it's just too small of a machine for me. But I do know a lot of gals that ride them.
The Sportster IS my wife's bike. I custom ordered it from Harley as an anniversary gift for her last year. Pearl white with pink flames, forward controls the bars and wheels of her choice bags and windshield. No other manufacturer offers that kind of customization direct from the factory with a 4 week delivery time.
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Look, if you don't want a Victory or an Indian, don't buy one. Seems like you're happy with your Sportster.
I like the look of a Sporty, but it's just too small of a machine for me. But I do know a lot of gals that ride them.
The Sportster IS my wife's bike. I custom ordered it from Harley as an anniversary gift for her last year. Pearl white with pink flames, forward controls the bars and wheels of her choice bags and windshield. No other manufacturer offers that kind of customization direct from the factory with a 4 week delivery time.
That is correct, HD is really good about that kind of stuff.
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I see what Ron is saying and agree for the most part. Indian will never feel like Indian to me again no matter what they do because the old company is long dead so now it is only a name no matter what you do. No real heritage. Triumph is and always was Triumph, HD is and always was HD, Honda is and always was Honda. The new Indian is going to be a cool bike I think ,but never a real Indian. I will be a Polaris knock off, probably well made and dependable and I love the look of the new engine but to me you could call it a Polaris and it would be just as cool.
Let's be honest, Triumph of Hinkley is not Triumph of Meriden, and that's a good thing. The "old" Triumph failed just like BSA, Norton, Indian and scores of other manufacturers due to a weak product and/or bad management in a competitive market.
A lot of guys can still claim "I rode a Triumph back in 19XX" but there are VERY few riders today that have any claim to a connection with Indian that went out in 1953.
VERY few.
Polaris owns the Indian name just as Bloor owns the Triumph name. Neither have the "DNA" of the original entity.
Triumph succeeds based on a solid product and sound management, even if it means moving manufacturing to Thailand.
Anyways, I'll take 115 TQ and 100 HP over DNA any day of the week.  
Right now all this talk is jibber-jabber on a machine that only has an engine built for it. Come back and see me in two or three years and we'll see how Indian - and Victory - are doing.
I'll eat my hat on Macy's sidewalk if Indian has failed in that time.
How many of you will be willing to admit they were wrong if Indian succeeds? 
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I believe Indian will sell a lot of bikes. Modern styles have taken their toll too. My wife thinks the Indian has got to be the ugliest thing she has seen in a long time. She says you can make something too pretty crossing into the realm of gaudy. I have to listen to what she says or she will withhold ````breakfast. I love em but am not buying one, I also really like the Victory Crossroads LE and the Triumph Thunderbird (single headlight). They had been out of business for about 10 years when I started to ride. I am 61. There were still a lot of em around. My uncle had one for many years. I gotta tell ya, compared to today they sucked worse than the others. To today's standards they may have been as good as maybe a Ural when it came to electrics and seals. Was the first time I ever got to experience a suicide shift. Scary stuff.
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I have to listen to what she says or she will withhold ````breakfast.
Breakfast I can make. It's the rest that keeps me in line.
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Let's be honest, Triumph of Hinkley is not Triumph of Meriden, and that's a good thing. The "old" Triumph failed just like BSA, Norton, Indian and scores of other manufacturers due to a weak product and/or bad management in a competitive market.
A lot of guys can still claim "I rode a Triumph back in 19XX" but there are VERY few riders today that have any claim to a connection with Indian that went out in 1953.
VERY few.
Triumph, unlike the others you mentioned, never never went completely out of business and has produced motorcycles every year. They restructured, yes ,but even then bikes were being produced under license. BSA, Norton, Indian and many others went out completely and have been gone for years. Just because they were no being sold in the US doesn't mean they were gone.
I stated in my last post I think it is going to be a cool bike no matter what they call it but not a real Indian.
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Triumph, unlike the others you mentioned, never never went completely out of business and has produced motorcycles every year.
Well... it looks like PEAK production numbers for Triumph between 1983 and 1988 were 14 a week, for about 728 a year.
Based on those numbers, the Gilroy Indians were a HUGE success with about 8,500 Chiefs made between 1999 and 2003.
While it's true that Triumph continued to build bikes, it wasn't exactly doing a gangbusters business. I'm guessing some of that heritage 1902 DNA was falling between the cracks in those lean years of the 1980s.
If you want to hang your hat on that continuous Triumph DNA, make sure it's a small hat.
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I hesitate to jump into a discussion about a machine that isn't even built yet but I think if you really dig deep only HD and BMW can really lay claim to continuous mass production. Maybe Guzzi, too, but I'm thinking HD and BMW have the history and continuous factory operations.
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Triumph, unlike the others you mentioned, never never went completely out of business and has produced motorcycles every year.
Well... it looks like PEAK production numbers for Triumph between 1983 and 1988 were 14 a week, for about 728 a year.
Based on those numbers, the Gilroy Indians were a HUGE success with about 8,500 Chiefs made between 1999 and 2003.
While it's true that Triumph continued to build bikes, it wasn't exactly doing a gangbusters business. I'm guessing some of that heritage 1902 DNA was falling between the cracks in those lean years of the 1980s.
If you want to hang your hat on that continuous Triumph DNA, make sure it's a small hat.
You can't be serious. By your logic Ford Motor Company ceased to exist when they stopped all automobile production to build aircraft, tanks and Jeeps during World War II. There were no Fords built for 4 years.
Shall we compare the global success of Triumph vs Victory motorcycles in the last 15 years. Triumph has done far more with less considering it is a private company unlike Polaris. Triumph is a motorcycle company that must stand on it's product only where Victory is an insignificant 4% of Polaris.
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I'll eat my hat on Macy's sidewalk if Indian has failed in that time.
How many of you will be willing to admit they were wrong if Indian succeeds?
Oh it wont fail this time...momma Polaris will keep feeding it cash. They may even cook the books to make it look like Indian is paying it's own way.
Actually (and this would be real cool) Polaris should shift their entire line of cruisers and baggers to the Indian brand name ...and restructure the Victory division to build high performance liquid cooled motorcycles and touring bikes and even a strong 900cc sub-$9,000 model.
Because it really doesn't make sense for Polaris to have 2 air cooled V-twin cruiser brands.
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HD wouldnt exist if the govt didnt place tariffs on the imports and effectively subsidize a dead company with a very obsolete product. Now look at Polaris, a much more profitable company, one that has created a product on its own against stiff competition and created a excellent product. Now they buy a company that has resurrected one of the iconic brands in motorcycling history, the oldest American one, and endeavor to make it a new and exciting product. Whereas the last two Indian incarnations focused on low production and high priced bikes, Polaris is investing a ton into it and repositioning it pricewise to be competitive versus HD, add to it they have immensely studied Indian design over time and are working to build on it and the legacy. I think this is smart, brave, and will succeed as Polaris does with their other products, plus they wont beg the govt to save them and effectively have the others pay for them to exist as HD did.
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Because it really doesn't make sense for Polaris to have 2 air cooled V-twin cruiser brands.
Who let this Keyboard Captain of Industry in here?
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Because it really doesn't make sense for Polaris to have 2 air cooled V-twin cruiser brands.
Who let this Keyboard Captain of Industry in here?
If you believe in their business model so strongly why don't you start an Indian and Victory dealership. Sell ONLY those two brands, you should make a fortune.
Yea, good luck with that.
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HD wouldnt exist if the govt didnt place tariffs on the imports and effectively subsidize a dead company with a very obsolete product. Now look at Polaris, a much more profitable company, one that has created a product on its own against stiff competition and created a excellent product. Now they buy a company that has resurrected one of the iconic brands in motorcycling history, the oldest American one, and endeavor to make it a new and exciting product. Whereas the last two Indian incarnations focused on low production and high priced bikes, Polaris is investing a ton into it and repositioning it pricewise to be competitive versus HD, add to it they have immensely studied Indian design over time and are working to build on it and the legacy. I think this is smart, brave, and will succeed as Polaris does with their other products, plus they wont beg the govt to save them and effectively have the others pay for them to exist as HD did.
Harley-Davidson is a motorcycle company only.
Currently only 4% of Polaris is involved in motorcycles, they have a low percentage invested and produce only one engine in various states of tune for all their bikes. Instead of buying Indian maybe Polaris should have invested in producing a full line of bikes under the Victory brand.
By the way those tariffs you brought up from decades ago were exactly what the Japanese were using against American products imported into Japan.
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You might remember that from 1963-1982 they also made very nice golf carts. And, their casting division still supplies OEM product to other companies out of their Milwaukee plant, just like it did during WWII. I won't even mention their textiles...
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When AMF was able to buy HD for a few pennies it was because HD refused to invest in R&D. They were selling 40s technology in 1968. When they were bought back in 81 or so they had the same problem. AMF drained all profit and didn't invest in technology but they did make a lot of dealers and T-shirts. In that respect they saved HD.
The idea of Japan protecting its industry with tariffs is silly. Why did it cost Harley 100% more to make a bike than Honda even after Honda shipped it, paid import duties and had to maintain a parts stream over 1000s of miles? Honda put them all on the ropes, not from tariffs but from technology and price point.
A Honda went longer, cost way less and went faster than anything else. I remember the derogatory term "Rice Burner" but they had to say that in the parking lot as they couldn't catch it to say it.
Look at the 1985 1100 Shadow and look at the Blockhead. I wonder who helped HD develop the motor that saved their company.
If Harley didn't get a new motor that actually ran they were going belly up. That would have been huge tariffs for Honda with no national competition. The worst thing that could ever happen in 83-84 to Honda would have been the loss of HD.
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If AMF hadn't developed the EVO engine HD might have failed. AMF was also responsible for involving Porsche in the design of the V-Rod engine. Don't make the mistake of glossing over this and the uncompleted but viable V-4 design that AMF invested in.
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Take it easy guys no need to get personal here, although it seems to be some members natural reaction.. Of course everyone loves there brand and will defend it to the end but you have be open minded enough to take a bit of jabbing from the other guys. There have been lots of brands discussed here and I like every one of them, hell I like all motorcycles. HD Road king, I’ve ridden a 2010 model. Great bike with lots of comfort, lots of torque and a well-made machine. Victory Cross Country, friend has a 2011. While I’m not enamored with their styling the bike is a dream to ride with tons of power and when you see one on the road you immediately know what brand it is. Honda Goldwing, are you kidding me. No wonder Honda has sold a zillion of these, comfort galore lots of power, very quiet and an onboard toaster oven . BMW, again what can you say here, cream of the crop. And of course Triumph, not one bike in their lineup would I be ashamed to ride. I started this thread about the new Indian motor. Man I love the Indian brand history and mystique, those old inline fours that we will never see again I would love to own but I just don’t have an extra $50,000 for a museum piece. I hope the Indian Brand succeeds this time, I have to assume this is the last hope for that brand buy a serious builder. I’m looking for a product that holds true to their heritage with dependable modern designs at a price the common Joe can afford. You have to admit that engine is sweet! So let’s just cool our jets and see what Polaris can do. They should be releasing their first bike very soon.
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The EVO was developed 81-83. Basically a redesigned top end for the 1340. AMF was gone then were they not?
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Worn Saddle
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Yes, they were bought out by then but the development of the EVO took 7 years. Released in 1984 it began with engineering drawings in 1977 financed by AMF. Just like the Softtail frame. Both became huge successes for HD but they began under AMF.
Credit must also be given to the employees that bought back HD for following through with the designs. Too bad about the NOVA engine because I think that might have really been an innovation that would have moved HD into some nice modern design. All the same, their sales numbers speak for themselves.
Like Mike, I want to see the new Indian. I really hope they succeed, too. And, I really, really want it to be affordable. Because. I. Want. One.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Loquacious
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If you believe in their business model so strongly why don't you start an Indian and Victory dealership. Sell ONLY those two brands, you should make a fortune.
Yea, good luck with that.
Man, you're describing my dream job!
If I win the Powerball this weekend I'll be on the phone with Polaris and do just that.
In the meantime, I'll have to enjoy the dividends from my 2009 Polaris stock investment which has grown by a factor of SIX. Not bad.
Kevin - Luceo Non Uro
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Re: New Indian Powerplant
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Loquacious
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Like Mike, I want to see the new Indian. I really hope they succeed, too. And, I really, really want it to be affordable. Because. I. Want. One.
I agree 100%.
For me, waiting for the release of the final product is like an 8-year old waiting for Christmas morning.
If the new Indian is within the realm of possibilities, one of the Visions will have to be traded in. But which one... 
Kevin - Luceo Non Uro
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Loquacious
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Harley-Davidson is a motorcycle company only
You might remember that from 1963-1982 they also made very nice golf carts. And, their casting division still supplies OEM product to other companies out of their Milwaukee plant, just like it did during WWII. I won't even mention their textiles...
Didn't they also make bowling pins?
And you may see me tonight
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J. Prine
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I hope they ALL continue to survive and sell. I sure as he11 DON'T want EVERYONE on an America! 
And you may see me tonight
With an illegal smile
J. Prine
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Fe Butt
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I hope they ALL continue to survive and sell.
I sure as he11 DON'T want EVERYONE on an America!
Eeh! The way I figure it erle, you'll only have to START worryin' about THAT at about the same time you'll STOP hearin'.."Wow! When did they start makin' Triumphs again?"!!! 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Stickman Yogi
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Didn't they also make bowling pins?
Not sure, but ashtrays for sure.
Live to love, love to live.
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Worn Saddle
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The automatic pin setter was their crowning achievement and made bowling popular in the 50s, but Roadmaster bicycles, not so much...
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Monkey Butt
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I think everybody has held at least one type of a Voit ball. I think they owned Voit for a long time. Also scuba equipment.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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Monkey Butt
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I hope they ALL continue to survive and sell.
I sure as he11 DON'T want EVERYONE on an America!
Eeh! The way I figure it erle, you'll only have to START worryin' about THAT at about the same time you'll STOP hearin'.."Wow! When did they start makin' Triumphs again?"!!!
Yaknow Dwight I really have not heard that for a few years now.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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