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I'm pretty darn excited about the Thunder Stroke 111 and its 115 TQ.  Looking forward to seeing the machine that's built around it.  
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WOW...seet looking engine! Very Cool clip too
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Yep! Now THAT is a pretty motor!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Beautiful engine and bikes. The "frequently asked questions" page was interesting. But I don't suppose I'll ever have thirty grand to throw at a bike.
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Beautiful engine and bikes. The "frequently asked questions" page was interesting. But I don't suppose I'll ever have thirty grand to throw at a bike.
The 2014 Indians will be out later this year. Pricing has not been released yet.
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Pretty motors does Indian build. I'm looking forward to greatness for the new Indians!
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Glad to see the rods are not split so the jugs won't be in line.Never liked the split rod on HD.
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Looks like Polaris is getting this right. What a perfect advance on the original Power Plus. As long as they keep swoopy ole Arlen Ness away from the tins they really ought to have a wonderful product. Affordability will be the final hurdle.
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very nice video, what do you suppose Burt Munro could do with that indian motor?
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Looks like Polaris is getting this right. What a perfect advance on the original Power Plus. As long as they keep swoopy ole Arlen Ness away from the tins they really ought to have a wonderful product. Affordability will be the final hurdle.
I agree Ed, one of the post on that thread was from someone at Indian who mentioned something along the lines of " the new bikes will be much more affordable" I hope this is correct but knowing the Indian history and Polaris Victory bikes I just don’t see the price dropping that much. We shall see. But that is one bitchin, throw back looking motor.
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This should get the new engine on the map.  Munro special
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If they cant offer them as price competitive with HD, then its not going to fly. To look at the way Polaris sells Victory and some of their other products, it would be hard to believe that they would think going for super premium prices would be a smart strategy.
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If they cant offer them as price competitive with HD, then its not going to fly. To look at the way Polaris sells Victory and some of their other products, it would be hard to believe that they would think going for super premium prices would be a smart strategy.
Good point. If they price them to compete directly with HD, they could make it, leaning on the old Indian traditions and loyalties.
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If they cant offer them as price competitive with HD, then its not going to fly. To look at the way Polaris sells Victory and some of their other products, it would be hard to believe that they would think going for super premium prices would be a smart strategy.
The 2014 prices will be revealed when the motorcycles are produced.
No one know what the prices will be yet, but since HD is the target for Indian, you can bet they will at least be close to competitive.
Polaris has already said that Indian will be a premium brand, so don't expect "cheap".
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They can't go wrong with "multi directional fins" Right Dwight? 
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 Yep, Charles. Exactly!  Gotta admit those finned valve covers especially are beautiful, and a nice homage to the Indian flathead side-valve Chiefs and Scouts of old. In fact, that's what I think is so amazing about this design. I'm sure it's an OHV engine, BUT it's looks like Indian's old side-valvers, and not nearly as tall as their current "Power Plus" and often called "Bottle Cap" engine, which were really just a compromise design based off the older S&S V-Twin engines, and which in turn were based off the H-D EVO design. And I think another nice thing about this new motor is its balancer design, which should make it run MUCH smoother than any previously made "new" Indian. (...yep, I think the boys up there in Minnesota did a great job..."doncha know"!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I think what impressed me the most was how they put it together with all dem thar movin parts, and now using a single wench.  Seriously that looks sweet!
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Arlen Ness has nothing to do with the design of Victory bikes.. They ride vics, make lots of after market stuff, and they each (Arlen, Cory and Zach) have a Signature series where they do custom paint and put some of there doodads on them.. but thats it Micheal Song is the head designer for Victory.
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Arlen Ness = The Jetsons Certain Victory models = The Jetsons F6B = The Jetsons Seems the trend is to make Jetsons style bikes that drag pegs on most every turn. The new Indian powerplant is sweet. 
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I'm hoping for retro tins to pay homage to one of America's oldest marques. The designers got the motor right, surely they'll get the rest of the bike right, too.
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Arlen Ness = The Jetsons
Certain Victory models = The Jetsons
F6B = The Jetsons
Seems the trend is to make Jetsons style bikes that drag pegs on most every turn.
The new Indian powerplant is sweet.
Harley rider to Victory rider: Who are you, George Jetson?
Victory rider to Harley rider: Yeah! Who are you, Fred Flintstone?
BYW, what are "pegs" ???? 
Moe, let's meet in TN and see who drags hard parts first.
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Moe, let's meet in TN and see who drags hard parts first.
Sounds like a plan to me ! I might know of a few back roads to test your "metal" on.
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Moe, let's meet in TN and see who drags hard parts first.
Sounds like a plan to me ! I might know of a few back roads to test your "metal" on.
Excellent Mike. We've scratched the Dragon, the Snake, the Cherohala Skyway among other roads in TN for starters. We're always looking for new adventures!
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Moe, let's meet in TN and see who drags hard parts first.
Sounds like a plan to me ! I might know of a few back roads to test your "metal" on.
Excellent Mike. We've scratched the Dragon, the Snake, the Cherohala Skyway among other roads in TN for starters. We're always looking for new adventures!
Nice, let me know the next time you are in the area.
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Think it'll have kick start and points?
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As I said, Indian will price this much better. I think I will be interested. http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/...an-motorcycles/
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"Harley, meanwhile, recently sold its MV Agusta and Buell units to concentrate on its core brand."
One certain 'Eric' would disagree that Buell was 'sold'.
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They are talking the talk and have the expertise to make it happen. If they introduce the 2013 Chief at 1500 dollars below a comparative HD they could make some serious gains.
The real 800 lb gorillas are HD and Honda. Their sales numbers are unapproachable at this point.
Honda is introducing three new models in the US I think will sell well. FB6, CB1100 and CB500.
However Polaris is the king in the ATV markets.
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They are talking the talk and have the expertise to make it happen. If they introduce the 2013 Chief at 1500 dollars below a comparative HD they could make some serious gains.
The real 800 lb gorillas are HD and Honda. Their sales numbers are unapproachable at this point.
For the record, Victory is number 2 behind Harley in heavyweight cruisers/tourers.
Just my 2 cents, if the Indian comes out even close to the price of an HD, even at a few dollars more, I'm choosing the Indian. 115 TQ is a lot of oomph.
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Nothing looks like an Indian and it will have its own unique motor like nothing else. IMHO there is no competition for that bike. Its a matter of how many folks want to buy it.
I would suggest if the Indian grabs your heart nothing will replace it as the bike you want.
I believe one reason for the Kingpin replacement being a standard fender Boardwalk was to eliminate anything including a flared fender to detract from the Indian.
Now it is just a matter of seeing how many folks just have to have one. It will have to be under 25k to move and closer to 20-22k to move well IMHO>
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Ok, if you consider 13,000 units per year verses 233,000 units per year second place. Guess someone has to be second  I was referring to total sales by a MC manufacture. I'm probably wrong but Big Red used to be second and have sold a couple of heavy weight bikes, Wings, Valks, VTX etc. Man I love the Indian brand and hope this time it flies, but it is one huge mountain to climb to get into the big dollar numbers HD represents.
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Look at how profitable a company Polaris is, they kick HD. They dont need to overtake HD in sales to win, they just need to build the brand and grow it smartly, that will erode HD, but more hopeful will be to grow from everywhere and it will be about Indian, not anyone else. Consider that HD relies just on its bikes(and assorted items with it), Indian can grow profitably and be added to by Polaris' diverse mix(a much stronger company overall).
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...or in other words Todd, the very reasons the earlier attempts at a revived Indian Motorcycle Company were never successful: The lack of deep pockets such as Polaris can now provide, correct?
(...or maybe put another way: The primary reason Triumph's revival has succeeded because of the depths of John Bloor's pockets...and/or why I have a bad feelin' about the new Norton's chances, 'cause I don't think Stuart Garner has money enough to weather that many storms along the way which might crop up during his venture...though I HOPE I'm wrong about this and hope the guy is LOADED, 'cause I'd dearly love to see his company be a success too)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I think Triumph had an advantage too that they were not ever really gone and had a strong customer base from the start. I was excited when new Triumphs came into the US again but at the same time disappointed when it was those Honda looking triples. Then they came out with the new twins! I remember the first time I saw one in person. I was at an Easyrider Rodeo and saw it from across the parking lot, I walked over to check out the old Triumph as I got closer I realized it wasn't an old Triumph , but, what was it? Once I got close enough I saw it was badged Triumph and the owner was standing there. After talking to him I learned it was a new Bonneville. There are guys like me out there that have always owned Triumphs and have always wanted to see them back in the US. Then also Triumph came back with an affordable line of bikes priced to sell to the general public not a high end elitist bike to depend on for sustainability. Both are important to the success of Triumph. Then they also produced a well made dependable machine to boot.
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I think Triumph had an advantage too that they were not ever really gone and had a strong customer base from the start.
True, and also because a whole generation of riders had passed since 1953 and when the original Indian company first went to those "Happy Hunting Grounds".
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I was excited when new Triumphs came into the US again but at the same time disappointed when it was those Honda looking triples.
Yes, I used to get that very reaction occasionally after I purchased my new '95 Sprint, Ian. Old guys would walk up me and say somethin' like: "Well, it's nice to see Triumph is back, but that doesn't look like any Triumph I ever remember.
Oh, and you actually should have said Kawasaki up there, not "Honda", because the first generation new Triumphs were patterned after late '80s Kawasakis and particularly the ZX10 models, because Mr. Bloor has sent his boys to the Kawasaki plant in Japan in order to glean some ideas as to how modern motorcycles are designed, engineered and manufactured.
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Then they came out with the new twins! I remember the first time I saw one in person. I was at an Easyrider Rodeo and saw it from across the parking lot, I walked over to check out the old Triumph as I got closer I realized it wasn't an old Triumph , but, what was it? Once I got close enough I saw it was badged Triumph and the owner was standing there. After talking to him I learned it was a new Bonneville. There are guys like me out there that have always owned Triumphs and have always wanted to see them back in the US. Then also Triumph came back with an affordable line of bikes priced to sell to the general public not a high end elitist bike to depend on for sustainability. Both are important to the success of Triumph. Then they also produced a well made dependable machine to boot.
Absolutely. The new Bonneville has been a total success because Bloor's boys knew enough to play off the heritage factor of the Triumph name. I mean, if they never would have come out with the Bonneville line, then I was always of the mind of why would Mr. Bloor even purchase the rights to the Triumph name if he wasn't going to ever play that "Heritage Card". Heck, he should have just called them "Bloors" in THAT case, RIGHT?!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Oh, and btw, and gettin' back on the Indian track here...
Just yesterday I received my latest(May '13) issue of Motorcyclist Magazine in the mail. And so, speaking of some coming revived Indian v Harley rivalry again, it appears Polaris has "fired that first shot across the bow" here, as on the inside front cover of the magazine is a two page ad which features on the left inside page a B&W picture of a bunch of Harleys and their riders standing around at a gas station and with their machines all strapped to TRAILERS and with the caption saying "Their Way"...and THEN on the right inside page is a sepia tone(read: nostalgic) picture of a couple of Indian riders in the distance on some long and winding road out in the middle of nowhere(looks like Arizona to me) and with the caption "The Highway", and the phrase "Choice is coming to American Motorcycles"!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Oh, and btw, and gettin' back on the Indian track here...
Just yesterday I received my latest(May '13) issue of Motorcyclist Magazine in the mail. And so, speaking of some coming revived Indian v Harley rivalry again, it appears Polaris has "fired that first shot across the bow" here, as on the inside front cover of the magazine is a two page ad which features on the left inside page a B&W picture of a bunch of Harleys and their riders standing around at a gas station and with their machines all strapped to TRAILERS and with the caption saying "Their Way"...and THEN on the right inside page is a sepia tone(read: nostalgic) picture of a couple of Indian riders in the distance on some long and winding road out in the middle of nowhere(looks like Arizona to me) and with the caption "The Highway", and the phrase "Choice is coming to American Motorcycles"!
That is fantastic !!
If you look at the picture a bit closer you'll see a couple of 650 Bonnies way out in front of the redskins
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Sorry Mike, but lookin' at that ad again just now I don't see those Bonnies anywhere! (...though considerin' that the road those two Indians are on IS kinda twisty, I suppose those two Bonnie riders COULD be so far ahead of those two Indian riders by the time the photographer was able to focus his camera for the shot that they were long gone and already over the horizon, huh!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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