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Whilst on the subject of Armstrongs, I'd be very interested to know what our BA.com's member's thoughts are on Lance Armstrong?
Is he guilty?
Does he deserve to be stripped of all his titles?
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Of course he is guilty of doping,the US gov's USADA says he is, must be true. Disclaimer: He's never failed a drug test, the findings are based on testimony by competitors that consistently failed drug test, USADA doesn't follow the American tradition of fourth amendment rights of the accused ( it's ran as an administrative law court, FEC,IRS,FCC,EPA,etc. accused is assumed guilty), the World Anti-Doping Agency must stand by USADA findings due to agreements, He can appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, CAS almost never sides with the athlete, CAS history suggest that if the athlete opens his or her mouth to defend themselves the "normal" sanctions are usually doubled. In related news the Tour De France has been total rendered a meaningless event, but hey, it's ran by the French. Does anyone even know who actually won the event over the last two decades or has it even been determine yet? 
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Bradley Wiggins won it this year. The first Brit to ever win it  , which probably really ticked the french off   I only know because it was all over the news
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First I have heard of this but the way I see it is if he has passed the drug tests he is probably not guilty.
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Mr leaving las vegas passed all the test administered by the body that has stripped him of all his titles. The body nows says that Lance cheated. That Lance took performance enhancing drugs, infusions etc. Really? What was the point of testing? Athletes of today should be put on Notice: Your efforts will forevermore, your achievements shall always, your life's work shall be at the whims of a body that may strip you of everything.
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Bradley Wiggins won it this year.
The first Brit to ever win it , which probably really ticked the french off
I only know because it was all over the news
Congrats, to Bradley and the Union jack
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I can totally understand his stance on 'enough is enough', sometimes you just have to say screw it I'm done. I think it sucks that they can say he didn't win those Tours, but we all know he did. If he was cheating, which there is no proof of, all he did was beat a bunch of other cheaters then, because cycling is the dirtiest sport on earth. USADA apparently has WAY too much power if they can strip his Olympic medal as well. If I were him, they would have a hard time getting that back from me, along with any prize money they say must be paid back from winning those events. I think the whole thing sucks, Lance is right that it was an unconstitutional witch hunt, and in my mind he still won. Haters be hatin, and that's what he's dealing with.
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The quasi government bureaucrats would have pursued Lance Armstrong until the end of his days. Given his record of passing every drug test it seems they were obsessed with nailing him. Must be IRS agents on loan.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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...Does he deserve to be stripped of all his titles?
IMO, no. The guy is superhuman.
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Do you think the guys who finished second in those Tours give a crap? If Lance was guilty do you really think they were clean? And do you think that having been now crowned the Tour de France winners for those years they will either (1) reap massive endorsement rewards and marry rock stars like Lance did, or (2) get pursued and harangued by quasi-government agencies to the ends of the earth?
I think the answer to all of those questions is: no, no, no, and no.
Stupidest thing I've ever seen.
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USADA get their basic funding from the US Drug Czar's National Drug Policy agency. They also make money administering drug test to athletes.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Mr leaving las vegas passed all the test administered by the body that has stripped him of all his titles. The body nows says that Lance cheated. That Lance took performance enhancing drugs, infusions etc. Really? What was the point of testing? Athletes of today should be put on Notice: Your efforts will forevermore, your achievements shall always, your life's work shall be at the whims of a body that may strip you of everything.
So it is not written, so it shall be.
The French have always had "an attitude" toward "Le bosch Americain" competitors. I doubt many remember the way Briggs Cunningham was treated, but every time he looked like he might win a Grand Prix championship in a Hemi powered car that many considered to be an American hot rod, they'd change the rules to specifically ban his cars.
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Yep, I just don't get all this, either!  (...no, NOT just Lance Armstrong, but why ANYONE in their right mind would PEDAL over 2,000 freakin' miles all over France, when it would be MUCH easier to just gas up and do the same thing on a MOTORCYCLE!!!) 
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Is this another wag the dog story? Who gives a rats arse? If he passes the drug tests then there is no evidence against him so drop it. This is almost as sickening as the whole baseball juicer trials.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I heard this morning that all five different second place finishers of the Tour behind Lance either tested positive or admitted to doping since then. So who does the win go to? What a moronic system they have in place.
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I heard this morning that all five different second place finishers of the Tour behind Lance either tested positive or admitted to doping since then. So who does the win go to? What a moronic system they have in place.
FYI,those guys are the ones that signed affidavits that he doped.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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I heard this morning that all five different second place finishers of the Tour behind Lance either tested positive or admitted to doping since then. So who does the win go to? What a moronic system they have in place.
I think THAT'S the real story.
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Haters be hatin, and that's what he's dealing with.
+1. Pure, unconcionable (sic) jealosy. All those second place fella's should be ashamed, but aren't capable of such "weakness".
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it seems that if a person gets to popular or big "THEY" will cut them off at the knees. remember how "THEY" yried to destroy Michael Jordan when he was gambling on the golf course, it backfired on "THEM". people didnt care. and most people dont care if an athlete is useing some enhanceing his/her ability. but when it comes to someone who has passed every test he was ever given then who the hell are "THEY" to question or accuse. "THEY" have done this kind of thing to far to many diserving celebrities and athletes!!!!!
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When I played college ball there was a big push to drug test athletes. This was the early 70s and what surprised me was how many anti-jock so-called intellectual hippie students were in support of it. One justifications was that we were on scholarships. Someone from the media stuck a mic in my face and asked for my opinion, so I gave it. I basically said, we athletes have no problem with with being tested, we have an advantage of scholarships and financial aid. As long as the university test every student on scholarship or receiving financial aid, let the test begin". Needless to say the calls for drug testing stopped. 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Lance Armstrong in a douche anyway. He said "Maybe people will start believing in bicycling" after he won one of those tour de France races. What does that even mean to "believe" in bicycling? I never doubted the reality of those who ride bicycles, I even did it myself as a child.
You don't have to look hard to see people out there on their bikes. They should have taken his titles just for saying such a lame brained statement.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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He crossed the finish line first and passed the drug tests.
'nuff said.
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He crossed the finish line first and passed the drug tests.
'nuff said.
Nuff said. Besides the mountain he practiced on down in Tuscon is a great ride up to the southern most ski area in US. Maybe that was just Lemon juice. 
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I kinda feel sympathetic. IMHO they are ALL doping so, to compete, you have to also. Much like baseball in the past decade. Every power hitter in the game got exposed. Some of those career HR totals, 5, 7, 4, 12, 46, 3, 5. Really?
Either clean it up or allow it all.
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I kinda feel sympathetic. IMHO they are ALL doping so, to compete, you have to also. Much like baseball in the past decade. Every power hitter in the game got exposed. Some of those career HR totals, 5, 7, 4, 12, 46, 3, 5. Really?
Either clean it up or allow it all.
NFL players are lucky to live past 55. It's a curse.
Re: NFL players that is more ALS related which has more to do with head bonkin then juicin. Was at a fund raiser this past weekend in Montreal.
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Yeah, there is a correlation but ALS is not like Parkinson's. They haven't really established a definite correlation. Besides, there aren't THAT many cases of ALS to skew the the numbers that much. I believe that 27 former player have be diagnosed, and that's a bunch, but more than that have committed suicide due to depression, which does have a direct correlation to head trauma.
Bottom line is, NFL is not good for you.
Yet, it is my favorite sport to watch.
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Passed numerous drug tests....not guilty.... 
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Yes,he passed numerous drug tests. OVER 500 OF THEM. enough is enough. He will always be a hero to me.
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Yes,he passed numerous drug tests. OVER 200 OF THEM. enough is enough. He will always be a hero to me.
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Passed numerous drug tests....not guilty....
Exactly. He should not have let them take his titles. With him beating cancer I would have hoped he would have kept fighting for what he has worked for his whole life. But it was his decision and his alone. I still admire the man. 
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Yes,he passed numerous drug tests. OVER 200 OF THEM. enough is enough. He will always be a hero to me.
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I believe that Lance Armstormg is the victim of the corporate /administrative bodies that judged him. I also appreciate his position in not continuing to challenge the allegations against him. Peace of mind is by far more precious than fame.
Kinda brings to mind another "wrongful" stripping of Jim Thorpe's Olympic Decathelon Gold and several other medals just for playing semi-pro baseball way back in the day (and before my time). Injustice seems to abound in athelictic administration in every way throughout history.
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Passed numerous drug tests....not guilty....
Exactly. He should not have let them take his titles. With him beating cancer I would have hoped he would have kept fighting for what he has worked for his whole life. But it was his decision and his alone. I still admire the man.
I doubt they asked his permission. I get it, though. He probably just got tired of fighting it, the sponsor and promotion money is already in the bank, so f*ck em.
I can see his point.
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I admit I know very little about the governing agencies regarding the sport, but it seems as though the USADA is only requesting that his titles be yanked.. there seems to be some dispute between them and the international cycling organization as to their authority to actually do so. It's really a no win situation for Lance.. he is damned if he fights, he is damned if he gives up. If he fights the charges, it's possible that the court battle could go on for years and cost millions of dollars and still not have a positive outcome. I would probably do the same thing if I were in his situation. Lances lawyer summed it up nicely: Quote:
“I think Lance ultimately decided he’d rather be eaten alive by zombies than locked in a room with lawyers for the next five years of his life with no promise at the end of it that there would be any peace,”
He will still be a champion to me.. regardless.
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So basically we have a guy who's now ready to "surrender" all his titles to The Tour de France, huh?! (...well, somehow that sounds fitting to ME anyway!) 
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Anyone who thinks we will all now "believe in bicycling" may be brain damaged.
Oh, at the end of aquiescence to unreasonable demands, there is no peace. Not from the persecutor, nor from the soul.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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In related Olympic news, the Russian volleyball coach who's team failed to win a medal in London hanged himself in his hotel room. Very sad, but if this had happened in the old Soviet Union our eyes would roll.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Given his record of passing every drug test...
WELL,
For the record, I'VE passed ALL of mine too!
(And there's been more than one. Just sayin' )
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OK Erle but we're talking tests to see whether or not Lance took any drugs, not testing the QUALITY of the drugs which I suspect is what you may be referring to ... "passing all your tests".
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Lance Armstrong in a douche anyway. He said "Maybe people will start believing in bicycling" after he won one of those tour de France races. What does that even mean to "believe" in bicycling? I never doubted the reality of those who ride bicycles, I even did it myself as a child.
You don't have to look hard to see people out there on their bikes. They should have taken his titles just for saying such a lame brained statement.
Does that mean to believe bicycling exists or what?
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You can't ride professionally and not be in peak shape. Those boys are athletes by any measure of the term. Cycling is a true sport. Rich sport yes, but a bonafide one nonetheless.
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