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The law of unintended consequences strikes again: http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/rights/issueslegislationIt's time to stop using food products as fuel.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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I took action and send the letter, I also send them a little blurb on the safety and benifits of "lane splitting" when preformed properly.
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Monkey Butt
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I am not aware of a law the we must use 15. Not sure where the 4 gallon minimum comes from. I know EPA permits the sale of E15.
I am with you, I want it all to go away. Driving our food is simply a stupid thing to do.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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Should be Riding
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from how I understand it, only those that buy the E15 will have to buy an additional 4 gallons of real gas on top of it? I avoid putting that corn syrup in my stuff anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem for me. That being said, I don't think it will ever pass, and how will it be enforced? Most gas pumps start over when you hang up the nozzle and if you pay at the pump all you have to do is drive away after getting the fuel of your choice... I know I would
Always remember to be yourself. Unless you suck. Then pretend to be someone else.
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Saddle Sore
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The law of unintended consequences strikes again:
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/rights/issueslegislation
It's time to stop using food products as fuel.
Agree 100 %. Interesting enough there are four fuel stations within 10 miles of my house that have added one or more 100% gasoline pumps in the last 6 months or so.
Go here!
Pure gas
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New Tires
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I am not aware of a law the we must use 15. Not sure where the 4 gallon minimum comes from. I know EPA permits the sale of E15.
I am with you, I want it all to go away. Driving our food is simply a stupid thing to do.
If you click on the headline at the AMA link a further and longer explanation is given. The problem seems to be that, residual E-15 in blender pump hoses won't dilute enough in tanks smaller than four gallons, so the vehicle can get a relatively large dose of ethanol. I guess it could be even worse by just topping off. Unfortunately, no ATVs or motorcycles are on the official E-15 approval list, in which case can release manufacturers from engine failure warranties due to excessive ethanol use. Excessive ethanol use cause engines to run hotter than designed for and can lead to premature failure.
If I understand it correctly, most newer autos' engines are designed to run on E-15, but unfortunately at this point in time the US passenger car fleet is older than anytime since the statistics have been collected. What could possible go wrong? 
Last edited by MACMC; 08/13/2012 9:29 AM.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
Edgar Allan Poe
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However it would be cool if mine was designed to run off Moonshine, then I could fill up the bike and top off myself at the same time.  
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Thanks for the link Mike. Used it on the way home from work. I bought the gas but they charged me $4.20/gallon
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Fe Butt
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I'll have to check the pump where I got gas last, on the way home today I looked down at my temp gauge and it read about 220ºF where it should have been about 190º.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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Monkey Butt
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Here in Texas 190 is about the ambient before we start the motor
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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Man o Man, I can't wait for November! This is just another segment of Obamanomics.....mandating the purchasing power of the the American consumer. First we got Obamacare, now it's the fuel we employ for just about every activity in American life and commerce in the guise of environmental protection. Next thing ya know we'll be madated on how much air we can breath!!! 
Karl
Odessa, MO
'07 America, Cinnamon Girl (aka: Black Beauty or Ol' Penny) - Sit Down, Shut Up & Hang On
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For those attempting to point blame where none exists, it should be noted that this was the result of "Growth Energy" and 54 other ethanol producers who petitioned the EPA to allow the introduction of E15. The first paragraph of the executive summery (Federal Register Volume 75-68095 November 4, 2010): Quote:
I. Executive Summary
In March 2009, Growth Energy and 54 ethanol manufacturers petitioned the Environmental Protection Agency (``EPA'' or ``The Agency'') to allow the introduction into commerce of up to 15 volume percent (vol%) ethanol in gasoline. In April 2009, EPA sought public comment on the Growth Energy petition and subsequently received about 78,000 comments. Prior to today's action, ethanol was limited to 10 vol% in motor vehicle gasoline (E10).
And since ethanol has a significantly lower BTU/lb than gasoline, it requires more fuel for the same amount of energy 
Cheers,
Brad
To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid.
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Thanks for the link Mike. Used it on the way home from work. I bought the gas but they charged me $4.20/gallon
Oh that's rich. I'm finding about .20 per gallon higer for pure gas over ethanol blends. As our gubment continues put the pressure on I'm sure the price will continue to climb.
And don't get he started on diesel fuel, why in the hell is that stuff priced like it is gold!
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New Tires
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However it would be cool if mine was designed to run off Moonshine, then I could fill up the bike and top off myself at the same time.
But, have you been running your F-100 on shine? That may have eaten the heater core. 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
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Thanks for the link Mike. Used it on the way home from work. I bought the gas but they charged me $4.20/gallon
Oh that's rich. I'm finding about .20 per gallon higer for pure gas over ethanol blends. As our gubment continues put the pressure on I'm sure the price will continue to climb.
And don't get he started on diesel fuel, why in the hell is that stuff priced like it is gold!
Actually priced in gold, oil is about the same as three decades ago, it's your US Dollar, which oil is traded in, that is devalued, more dollars per gallon. Also, foreign oil producers are government owned and that oil revenue finances their countries' deficit spending, so it's all a sovereign debt merry go round.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
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However it would be cool if mine was designed to run off Moonshine, then I could fill up the bike and top off myself at the same time.
But, have you been running your F-100 on shine? That may have eaten the heater core.
Naw Mac, not yet anyway, saving what I got for my biological fuel tank. 
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Pacific Blue/White 2009 America in the TX Hill Country
Not all that glitters is gold. Tolkien. Hmm Must've seen the chrome on my TA coming down the road.
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This from an article from saturday. A federal appeals court Friday threw out a challenge by automakers and other groups to a new fuel with a higher blend of ethanol that could damage engines. The U.S. Court of Appeals in a 2-1 decision rejected a suit brought by Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Global Automakers, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the oil industry and other groups that sought to overturn the Enviromental Protection Agency’s approval of E15 -a fuel that includes 15 percent ethanol. Here's a link concerning projected cost. http://smarterfuelfuture.org/resource-center/details/consumers-beware-real-cost-of-e15Note that with present USA fuel and CAFE policy, we are looking at E-40 in a decade
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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I think they have some local politics at play too. Pure Gas finds no pure gas in my city. The 7th largest city in America with not a drop of pure gas.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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