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Why dont they make these for our bikes too? http://www.streetmaster.net/oil-cooler.html
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Why wouldnt that one work?
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I read somewhere on their site how they did the original conversion. In a nut shell, they plugged the inside of the down tubes at both ends, added a crossover, cleaned them inside, welded in threaded bungs for the line attachments, and bingo, it's done.  Some, IF not the largest factor in the reduced engine temp's is from more/better air flow/cooling directed directly at the hottest part of the engine, the area between the cylinders on the exhaust side, and not being blocked by the obstruction the factory put there. (the OEM cooler)  This you can do yourself, with a fair deal of work/time, OR you could get the same affect by purchasing the aftermarket finned alum. tubes like Dave and others have.  IF your going to the trouble of doing the true oil in frame route, why not weld on some washers to the frame tubes to create the cooling fin heat sinks.  (You'll NEVER get Dwights approval if you don't!)  
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for $750, you can buy two sets of aluminum coolers from bonnevilleperformance.com and still have a hundred bucks left over
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Triumph already tried the oil-in-frame concept once...it didn't work out very well. I am glad the oil cooler is a part that can be taken off and worked on if need be.
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Triumph already tried the oil-in-frame concept once...it didn't work out very well. I am glad the oil cooler is a part that can be taken off and worked on if need be.
Actually those frame segments that are to be plugged and bunged change out easy enough and the best part is Pinwall charges only $14.95 a side + ship. I did a volumn check and the gain is close to .750 of a liter in oil capacity over the stock heat exchanger. Nothing in resemblance to the old poorly welded OIF tanks Triumph foisted upon the masses back in (1970 ?) Speedmaster states they can run their street trackers in temp.parameters, the detuned dogs we ride, should run cool enough with the extra oil. Pre-Apology to all who feel or just know, they do not run/ride detuned dogs.
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Detuned (aside from Farbrausch)? Yeah. Dog!? Well, relatively yes  , BUT she's MY b1tch!!! 
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I can see the function of it but I'm not sold on it. I will keep functioning items segregated from the frame itself if for no other reason than the fact I can take it apart and work on it. I don't think my oil cooler is an eye sore but I'm probably used to it by now and don't even pay attention to it.
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sexy...  
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I ran hot with the aluminum oil coolers, but your results may vary... I saw the frame thing in a magazine too, it looks pretty cool! How much different are the down-tubes between the two bikes anyway?
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i have the bonnevilleperformance.com oil coolers also. after an hour ride, i run 40 degrees cooler according the temp gadget gun thingy.
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I'm curious what you did with the brake reservoir on the down tube. Pics would be cool.
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i have the bonnevilleperformance.com oil coolers also. after an hour ride, i run 40 degrees cooler according the temp gadget gun thingy.
Dang man, 40 degrees!?? 
That's like MAJOR dude!
Awfully hard to believe that's a legit comparison!
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I'm curious what you did with the brake reservoir on the down tube. Pics would be cool.
my brake reservoir is still at the unsafe original location, not the new higher location that it got recalled to
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I relocated my brake reservoir with a 's' shaped bracket for move it inside of the frame down tube and slightly lower. if you look closely at the linked picture (scroll down towards the end of the thread) you can see it. http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...part=1&vc=1
Last edited by mag10; 08/31/2012 6:29 AM.
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Thanks. Looks real good. Did you fab the brackets yourself?
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i have the bonnevilleperformance.com oil coolers also. after an hour ride, i run 40 degrees cooler according the temp gadget gun thingy.
thats a ton 40 degree's, i am not sure that would be accurate at all.
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Thanks. Looks real good. Did you fab the brackets yourself?
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i have the bonnevilleperformance.com oil coolers also. after an hour ride, i run 40 degrees cooler according the temp gadget gun thingy.
thats a ton 40 degree's, i am not sure that would be accurate at all.
mind you i didn't do the measurement myself; just going off what the guys at bonnie pro found.
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since there is no real riding weather in my immediate future, I am working on a few projects, one of which is a new oil cooler to replace the bonnevilleperformance one.
It works as advertized but is not the look I want on the bike, too shiny!
So far I have ginned up (pictures to follow) a pair of finned tubes 1.25 inch diameter and 12 inches long. They will be anodized black and then the edges of the fins turned clear. The surface area of the coolers will be greater than before. Also, I think that I can improve on the 'turbulators' inside the tubes, to reduce the laminar flow inside the cooler.
I apologise for the lack of pictures but I was working on this late last night and well...
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
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Great Micah, looking forward to seeing your design
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Seems like there was this long thread about oil coolers a while back, Wow. 850.00 bucks for the in-frame kit. Aaaarrgghhh !
For one, the price, Segundo, what's in the frame tubes : hmmm, drilling slivers, welding slag, cigarette butt, who knows? And keep in mind cooler is not always better. Engines need a measure of heat to operate correctly. Any temps south of 165 or so is not efficient.
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here are the finished goods.  seems to work just fine. machined from 1.25 inch aluminum round with my own design turbulater inside in. each cooler is 12 inches long.
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
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Looks sweet ! Can you give a bit of detail how these differ from earlier year designs that look similar.
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Seems like there was this long thread about oil coolers a while back, Wow. 850.00 bucks for the in-frame kit. Aaaarrgghhh !
For one, the price, Segundo, what's in the frame tubes : hmmm, drilling slivers, welding slag, cigarette butt, who knows? And keep in mind cooler is not always better. Engines need a measure of heat to operate correctly. Any temps south of 165 or so is not efficient.
There are fabrication protocols, that eliminate weld slag and scale, "Tig Welds and running Argon gas inside the tubes" for instance, and retrieving the drilling chips with a magnet, A set of front lower frame sections ran me around $55 delivered from Pinwall, and the weld on fittings I needed cost me $20. So you are not married to a $850 price tag. The set I am in the process of building will also have drain plugs as well, and now that you mention ciggy butts, I will run my video probe in there just to have a look see. Mag 10 s coolers do look most excellent in appearance, and my hat is off to him as to his ingenuity, whereas, I stole the idea from somebody who wanted $850 for their version.
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Ryk, if you get yours running good I am totally gonna want a set or at least a nice how too.
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Looks sweet ! Can you give a bit of detail how these differ from earlier year designs that look similar.
the only ones I have to compare to exactly are the bonnieville preformance coolers that were previously on this bike. that said: bigger diameter 1.25 inch vs 1.0 inch, so more surface area.
12 inches long vs 10 inch, more surface area and more inside volume. .500 diameter bore.
the turbulator (runs thru the center of the cooler) is a .250 inch diameter rod with portions turned down to .187 dimeter to remove the 'core' from the oil flow. at the top end and center of the bore is a .400 high cylinder with 6 holes drilled thru it at at 5 degree angle to swirl the oil along the edge of the cooler bore.
the BP turbulator is a piece of perforated sheet metal.
and the most important part (because I like the way it looks) is the black anodize and the fin tops turned clear. I also had the mounting brackets anodized black.
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