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Was thinking about getting a handgun and permit. However, I'm nervous about having a loaded gun in the house with a nine and an eleven year old. If they are told not to do something, they generally mind. But curiosity can get the best of any kid. I'm needing suggestions on how to have a home with kids and a loaded handgun without the unthinkable happening.
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They're old enough for a gun safety course (check with the NRA), but nothing beats a good locked safe. Plenty of good ones that will only open with your palm read.
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I use a trigger lock, store it out of the kids reach, do not tell them where it is, and have told them that if they do find it not to pick it up. If you will carry the gun you will have to ensure that it is secure or unloaded any time you don't have it on you. Other ideas are a safe or gun cabinet.
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I grew up with guns, tons of guns, in the house with nine brothers and sisters. We were made familiar with them, taught how dangerous they were and to respect that guns are not toys. My father always kept a loaded 45 in his night stand, but the drawer was locked. Almost everyone in my family has conceal and carry permits, my two nephews that live with me do, but we don't leave guns loaded in the house, not even in the gun safe. But, there are handguns with clips removed in safe places around the house. 
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A lock box with fingerprint technology is a good option as well. That way I am the only that can get in it and I never have to fumble around for keys.
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What if the gun is needed during an intrusion? How do you avoid a situation where a gun is useless if it is unloaded or locked away? Should the gun only be accessible at night and put away when the kids are awake?
It is planned for the kids to be educated about firearms and even be present when it is used for target practice. Safty and a healthy respect for guns will be instilled. It's just that voice in the back of my head that has me flip-floping on whether to buy a gun or not.
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+1 on the education and safety and training the kids to be safe with guns.
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education and then take them shooting... satisfy their curiosity...let them handle, touch , shoot, and learn about gun safety...best defense...not just in your home but in the home of someone who might not be as cautious about their weapons.
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"but in the home of someone who might not be as cautious about their weapons" Great advice!
The question of what is the point of not having the gun loaded and having to fiddle around making it ready in an emergency. My guess is that anyone can ready a gun in less time than their wife calls 911, deals with a dispatcher, waits 3, 5, 8, 20, 30 minutes for the the "first responders". There is a reason we have no constitutional right to assume the police have a duty to protect us.
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I grew up with guns, tons of guns, in the house with nine brothers and sisters. We were made familiar with them, taught how dangerous they were and to respect that guns are not toys. My father always kept a loaded 45 in his night stand, but the drawer was locked.
Almost everyone in my family has conceal and carry permits, my two nephews that live with me do, but we don't leave guns loaded in the house, not even in the gun safe. But, there are handguns with clips removed in safe places around the house.
I would be uncomfortable leaving loaded guns around, including in a safe. I'd like to keep a loaded shotgun handy but... I'm not there yet.
For the time being, I keep a few "defensive weapons" within arms reach most of the time. 
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I grew up with guns, tons of guns, in the house with nine brothers and sisters. We were made familiar with them, taught how dangerous they were and to respect that guns are not toys. My father always kept a loaded 45 in his night stand, but the drawer was locked.
Starting to think we may be related. But my dad kept a 44 in the cabinet and a 12 guage behined the door. Never locked anything up, but we all knew how to use them but aslo not to F with dads stuff.
However now I don't own any. I would actaully like to but my wife was never raised around them, knows nothing about them and had a friend accidently kill himself when they were childern, because he was never taught the same as Mac and myself. I gotta find a way to get her over that but its gonna be a long battle. How ever unlike my dad if I had them I DEFFINATLY would have them locked up.
+1 on education, training and a good safe.
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Ed There is no right or wrong answer here. I have long guns and hand held canons. My kids are grown, but now my wife suffers from depression.  Accidents can happen. Christians would probably say "Whatever happens, it's Gods plan"  . I'd say the gun safe would be MY choice, along with education. But the only way to eliminate the chance of an accident would be to skip it for now.
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there are specific circumstances that I think the firearm would be useful for home protection. I would need lots of prep time, in other words, if they are already in the house, it's probably too late. I am personally not comfortable keeping a loaded firearm at the bedside for such a contingency. I would forget and leave it accessible to the children. If one is comfortable with that risk, you will be able to respond quicker.
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I agree, don'[t hide it explain it to them let them handle it teach them the safe way to handle it. By 9 years old I was allowed to take rifles out to shoot by myself as long as I asked. My 5 year old grand kids know where my guns are and not to touch and have already started to teach safe handling. If they are not a mystery they hold less forbidden attraction.
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I agree educating the kids is really important. A friend once said that he keeps the clip in the gun but not in the barrel. Also, it would be very difficult for little hands to reach it.
Although an isolated case, within the past year a home owner shot an armed intruder- his buddies got away. Guess I've got to decide if the small chance of being intruded upon and being prepared is worth the worry of having kids and a gun under the same roof.
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Interestingly, the largest and fastest growing group applying for conceal and carry permits in Texas is black women.
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And, Please teach the kids to swim.
No kidding. Too many lost this summer.
Got my permit last week.
Learned to swim at The Y when I was 6.
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And, Please teach the kids to swim.
No kidding. Too many lost this summer.
Got my permit last week.
Learned to swim at The Y when I was 6.
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At the Y? We were so poor, we couldn't afford the Y, we ................ 
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And, Please teach the kids to swim.
No kidding. Too many lost this summer.
Got my permit last week.
Learned to swim at The Y when I was 6.
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Agree 100% been taking my grand kids almost every week to learn at my moms pool. Mia is almost doggy paddling now and is very proud to be in the shallow end with no life jacket. Of course Pop is right there next to her should there be any problem. Can't get my grand son to take his off but he will when he is ready.
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It's hard for me to imagine having a kid (or being one) who couldn't swim. It's very foreign to me.
I do remember going through Aviation Officers' Candidate School that there were a handful of guys who couldn't swim when they arrived (the water quals were pretty rigorous). They had to head back to the tank every evening until they became proficient.
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And, Please teach the kids to swim.
No kidding. Too many lost this summer.
Got my permit last week.
Learned to swim at The Y when I was 6.
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At the Y? We were so poor, we couldn't afford the Y, we ................
(...ummm...wrong thread, Mac!)  
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I couldn't resist, that thread was a hoot. The winner was, hand tighten and spit on it so it would rust in place. 
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I couldn't resist, that thread was a hoot. The winner was, hand tighten and spit on it so it would rust in place.
Yeah, I thought bigbill's offering was the best one too!
(...though I gotta admit I thought EVERYONE gave Monty Python a good run for their money there!)
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Concealed?  
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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My son is 7 and he has his own 22 riffle I take him shooting and he knows the RIGHT way to handle and use a gun. We dont even have toy guns in my house. My boys will never think guns are toys. and im sorry I would never leave a gun loaded in my house ether. Laws are allot different up here but every gun is unloaded and the chamber is open before I get in my truck.
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Yep I remember going squirrel hunting at age 7 using a 22.
Like I said I don't have any now but wish I did. Only been shooting once in the last 10 years and that was about 2 months ago over at a friends house. Still able to hit bullseye at 75 yards but that was using his police issue AR-15 with some really nice iron sights.
I don't feel like I need one for protection, but I really feel my son needs to learn to shoot and all. I'd rather him know from me, rather than first being introduced to them by anyone else.
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We cant even keep a baseball bat in the bedroom over the pond.
Anyone comes in the house in the middle of the night and leaves with a bloody nose can get you prosecuted for assault.
Heaven forbid if you use a weapon of any sort, the thief becomes the victim, how wrong is that?
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We cant even keep a baseball bat in the bedroom over the pond.
Anyone comes in the house in the middle of the night and leaves with a bloody nose can get you prosecuted for assault.
Heaven forbid if you use a weapon of any sort, the thief becomes the victim, how wrong is that?
I see where a guy got arrested for not smiling at an Olympic even this week. You guys have been neutered by the state.
I should have added, we're not far behind.
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Now c'mon Mac! On the vast scale of REALLY asinine laws such as those over there, WE aren't even CLOSE to that. And DESPITE all the stupid-ass SIMPLISTIC fear-based DOGMA offered up by "certain people" about the "motives" of OTHER "certain people" here in The States, we'll NEVER "catch up" to having as many stupid-ass and OVERLY restrictive laws on OUR books as do those poor blokes over there! (...and WE have the murder rates to PROVE that, dude!!!)
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OH! Well ya SEE Bryn ol' boy, all THOSE laws pertain to the issue of "Sex" there, RIGHT?! And excuse me here, but I would've thought that you would have known that because you Brits sent all your freakin' PURITANS over here centuries ago, we Yanks repressed and kinda sorta "sublimated" all that "Sex Stuff" into OTHER avenues and expressions...such as VIOLENCE!!! (...though yeah SURE, a little of that repressed sublimation ALSO went towards forming the Classic American Work Ethic TOO...which of course makes our country the owner of one of the highest productivity rates in the Industrialize world...along with feelin' sooooo dirty about all that "sex stuff" TOO, of course!) 
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We cant even keep a baseball bat in the bedroom over the pond.
Anyone comes in the house in the middle of the night and leaves with a bloody nose can get you prosecuted for assault.
Heaven forbid if you use a weapon of any sort, the thief becomes the victim, how wrong is that?
Aye, & I just don't get why the UK, & England in particular, became so...
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Well Ken, it's all a matter of "culture" and a different mindset, ya see. Over THERE the predominate mentality was that the "Lords and Ladies" just "natiurally knew" what was "best" for the Hoi Polloi, and so it wasn't until the 20th Century over there that people basically had the right to think for themsleves and make policy. Ya see, the House Of Lords until fairly recently had the power to override ANY legislation which might have passed the House of Commons. Yep, REALLY! And so, because WE had gotten over a century head start in this regard over those poor blokes in the idea of "Self Government", AND because WE never had some freakin' "Lord" by right-of-birth tellin' us what is "reasonable and prudent"...and most often TO our great ADVENTAGE, but occasionally to our detriment. And, I say "occasional detriment" here 'cause from the way things are bein' run by our so-called "Informed Electorate" lately(that would be YOU and ME), I'm startin' to think that MAYBE those stupid-ass "Lords" over there MIGHT have been right AFTERALL about the freakin' Hoi polloi on EITHER side of the Atlantic Ocean!!!!
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Due to Supreme Court rulings, the only ones in effect are 7, 8 ,9.
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We've had loaded firearms in our home for 17 yrs. We have 2 safes in different locations in our home. No one can get into them except us. We do keep loaded guns in the house when we're home. Our kids, now 24 and 26 were taught to shoot. They were NEVER left at home with guns left out of the safe. They know how to safely handle them and as adults both own them. An unloaded gun on your bedside table or wherever is useless to protect from a home invasion. You might as well not even have one if you keep your self defense weapon unloaded. I also always carry on my bike. I have had extensive training in handgun handling, self defense with weapons (knives included) and without. I have also taught women's handgun classes.
There are a few basic safety rules about handling guns and as long as those are ALWAYS followed there isn't going to be a problem.
The only thing to fear about guns is a lack of knowledge. You drive a car and those kill more people every year than guns do.
I hope you and your family will take the classes and learn what a fun sport shooting can be.
The NRA has great programs for all members of your family.
I was attacked and that'll never happen again I can guarantee it! That's the reason I train and have chosen to carry.
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If you have kids in the house the first thing to teach is proper use and respect. There is a great program called Project Appleseed http://appleseedinfo.org/ , it's good for all family members. My kids are grown and gone, I keep 3 loaded pistols and a loaded 12 gauge in my home at all times. two of the Pistols are in my safe next to my bed and takes just 8 seconds to access (yes, I timed it), one is in my wife's purse close to her in the bedroom at night and always with her otherwise (she has a concealed carry permit), my shotgun is in my office in my guitar case. When company comes we lock down the wife's wheel gun and the shotgun. My .45 1911 is racked with one in the chamber and the safety on, the 9mm sig is hot and ready at all times. We are not country folk, We live in California and are a combination of white & blue collar. There has been a lot of home invasions in the last few years because of the economy and gang problems in Fresno, even though We live in a very good part of town I am not foolish enough to think we are safe. My wife is qualified to carry my .45 1911, our Sig 9mm and her Ruger .38 (her everyday carry pistol. She is under 5 foot tall, over 60 and able to give herself a fighting chance if needed. I hope I never have to fire my weapons anywhere other than the range.
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You drive a car and those kill more people every year than guns do.
While that is true it is a false equivalency. According to the CDC 56.5% of gun deaths are suicides. While I'm sure there are some, I doubt many MVA deaths are suicides. Also, MVA deaths are going down in large part because cars are getting safer (texting notwithstanding). Guns are designed to kill people. I don't see that changing.
I don't really care if people fill their homes with guns, though I'm not real crazy about them walking around my kids with them. I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are very responsible but I spent a good part of my adult life cleaning up after the abundant numbers of those who aren't.
The numbers aren't all that abstract when you've had to change your work clothes because you have blood and such all over you.
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Guns were designed to hunt and protect not murder just as baseball bats were designed to hit baseballs not murder. Been in the middle of several shootouts and I ca assure you you if you responded there and there were no guns present you would still be cleaning up the mess and bodies. Those guys would have killed each other weather guns were there or not. Guns don't kill people , people do.(The gun is the tool just like a knife,bat,tire iron, bumper jack, bowling ball, rolling pin, rock, pipe bomb, fist, boot, force feeding funnel, automobile (and yes they have been used) spoon, newspaper, toothbrush, bottle, pool cue,.........
My uncle was a federal marshal and has cleaned up after many shootings and was an avid gun collector and sport shooter as well as hunter. The gun is a tool nothing more.How would we defend against a government gone amok if we were disarmed? A disarmed person is a subject a responsible armed person is a citizen. When guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns.
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