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'CUZ...UNFORTUNATELY...there's NOT a swingin' dick on this here planet who DOESN'T have just a liiiiiiittle bit of prejudice deep down in his soul!
GOT THAT?!!
because...UNFORTUNATELY...WE ALL suffer for this affliction to different degrees...
Cheers,
Dwight
Once again the "large net" is out  I don't dissagree entirely...just to degrees...to say EVERYBODY is racist to some degree...no...that 98% (maybe more)are...yes! I can think of at least one person I have known who truely didn't have a racist bone in her body...not one...but thats ONE of all the people I have known in my life...I think often times those who claim "difference" (not just race) as the defineing factor are more often just as guilty if not more! Mayor Ray's Chocholate City comment comes to mind...try getting away with Vanilla city and see how long before the stones come out...Or B.E.T. (Black Entertainment Television) Try Whites only TV and see how long before all of your advertisers pull their spots....LOCO (the gay and Lesbian chanell) Try Heteros only TV...point is we (99%) tend to stick with our own "kind" and fear/mistrust/dislike those not the same as us...one need not look any further than THIS BOARD to see the proof of that....Change the word Black to Harley Davidson, Gay to Sport Bike, Mexican to French...(no wait thats unfair the the Mexicans) Mexican to Jap Vtwin...So do I have any Racist attitudes???...you bet...am I proud of them...most not, because I have found that one on one most of those are unfounded, yet the "broad net" goes out till I meet someone personally, but they are part of who I am...like it or not...But this is Illegals getting a free ride while those who are here legally (citizens and legals alike) getting the shaft...MA's proposed free tuition for Illeagles...Hospitals giving free care, while you and I get a bill from hell and hounded till we pay it...food stamps, welfare,ect. And the fines for employeers is laughable...I hire people here, and have several Guatimalians who work for me (harder than most of our "Citizen" workers I might add)...are they legal...I DON"T KNOW!! WHY??? Because I'm not allowed to ask for anything other than what is on a standard I-9 form...if they have it end of story...be it fradulant or not...AND when we did have a Social Security Card that did'nt quite look right...We were told to SUBMIT the paper work as required and collected, If wasn't correct they would inform us...TWO YEARS LATER we got notified that it was a invalid ## PLEASE HAVE THEM RESUBMIT !!! do I think he was illegal...yup...(particularly since upon notifiy him of the bad # he never returned to work)now what do you say when (and if) Uncle Sam shows up and says he's an illegal and NOW I have a fine to pay...AFTER I FOLLOWED THE DAMM RULES THEY SUPPLIED AND TOLD US TO FOLLOW!!!
So am I a racist...I supose to some extent, I am not proud of that...and I'm not joining the local white surpremisist group...does my being a racist effect my oppinion on this sure it has to...but If you were my twin brother and you get a free education to Umass because YOUR BREAKING THE LAW!! while I had to remortage my house to pay the $20k per year tuition..I'ld Still be Just as PI$$ED OFF!! and ("broad net" statement comming) quite frankly people aren't charging the northern boarder by the 10's of K's and last time I checked Loew's, Wal-mart, my cell phone 411 service the were'nt printing every sign, offering automated services in FRENCH/RUSSIAN/ITALIAN/SWEEDISH/OR LATIN!! But I do notice that everything is offered in Spanish! my guess (only my oppinion not backed by ANY data) is that 90% of all the Illegal's are of some Spanish Speaking race... so I'm not sure if that makes me a racist...or mearly a realist.
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What about that there "celibacy" requirment  ?
I think that is the FIRST thing He Should/would Change!  A new Papal decree! 
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What about that there "celibacy" requirment ?
Well...I THINK we've discussed THIS very issue before...and I've already discussed this in depth with Rob.
If those CARDINALS(no, NOT the St.Louis or Arizona variety) want me to REIGN for a LONG TIME, they'll have to BEND just a liiiiittle on THAT ISSUE.
RIGHT ROB????!!!!!
Cheers,
Dwight
(sorry this here somewhat important thread has once again turned to the subject of "Dwight and his Wide World of Comedy"....BUT ONCE "certain people" are no longer able to converse WITHOUT name calling and ERRONEOUSLY accuses someone else of being a "RADICAL"(Funny ain't it, how that tends to mostly come from our more "conservative" members here) AND (hint to that "certain person"...I THINK the correct terminology you're DESPERATELY searching for to describe Yours Truly would be "SMART-A$$ed REALIST)...THEN my old "Theatre of the Absurd" syndrome just naturally comes out to play)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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RIGHT ROB????!!!!!
Cheers,
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Dancing on each others graves...is where we left it...I think
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This topic isn't about race, which is what I tried to point out, but it keeps coming back to that. Seriously if this is your argument you have a very weak argument. As well saying these people work hard, doesn't excuse them for being criminals. Also on that point, they can work all they want, your not seein any of their income taxes, but you are sure paying in. Let's just say they were paying taxes, and they don't, they would still cost you money. That doesn't excuse the other problems other their either. Enjoy this picture: http://www.969fmtalk.com/FMTALKPersonalities/MichaelGraham/tabid/64/Default.aspx
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." --Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Upon further investigation, I found this:
Theodore Roosevelt indeed wrote these words, but not in 1907 while he was still president. The passages were culled from a letter he wrote to the president of the American Defense Society on January 3, 1919, three days before Roosevelt died.
"Americanization" was a favorite theme of Roosevelt's during his later years, when he railed repeatedly against "hyphenated Americans" and the prospect of a nation "brought to ruins" by a "tangle of squabbling nationalities."
He advocated the compulsory learning of English by every naturalized citizen. "Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or to leave the country," he said in a statement to the Kansas City Star in 1918. "English should be the only language taught or used in the public schools."
He also insisted, on more than one occasion, that America has no room for what he called "fifty-fifty allegiance." In a speech made in 1917 he said, "It is our boast that we admit the immigrant to full fellowship and equality with the native-born. In return we demand that he shall share our undivided allegiance to the one flag which floats over all of us."
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roosevelt_on_immigrants.htm
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And that is all that needs to be said about this subject!
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All we need to do is to enforce the existing laws. How can a new law criminalize those that are by definition already criminals? What part of illegal needs to be expounded upon?
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Phil,
TR is, or I guess I should say, could have been, one Republican I could have gotten behind, Bro! Just born almost a century too late I guess.
Good post!
NOW, for everyone here who got their nose out of joint about the very much tangenial issue of RACE that I inserted here, I'll tell ya why I brought it up.....
....BECAUSE for SOME people who this immigration issue effects(and THAT WOULD BE ALL OF US HERE, I think)...THAT IS an ISSUE(tangenial as it may be), and TO IGNORE that side-issue IS NOT FACING REALITY!
SO the SOONER we all put all of our cards on the table and get all those ugly little thoughts on BOTH SIDES out(and YES, this pertains MOSTLY, from what I've seen, to the mindset of many of these illegal immigrants themselves), and put that ugly little baby to rest...the SOONER we can ALL get "Down to brass tacks" and the "NUTS AND BOLTS" of looking for a SOLUTION to this freakin' CONUNDRUM....AND THEN Patrol our borders A LITTLE FREAKIN' BETTER...maybe!!!
(signed)
That freakin' "Left-Wing Radical",
Dwight
(Now...if you'll excuse me, I have some co-workers that need a little dose of REALITY right now TOO...this one guy just CAN'T SEE[and I don't think, EVER WILL...and he's a native born YANK BTW] that when he doesn't know his freakin' job, it screws up MY WHOLE FREAKIN' OPERATION)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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The bible sez: Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. (KJV)  Take it away, Dwight!
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So you are saying we should ship them all to Egypt?
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Isn't there already ENOUGH trouble in the Middle East because of something we did??? But, that would be ONE way to take care of Hamas. What are you trying to do, start an Exodus???
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Isn't there already ENOUGH trouble in the Middle East because of something we did??? But, that would be ONE way to take care of Hamas. What are you trying to do, start an Exodus???
Not that I want to get into THAT!....but there's been trouble in the middleeast for over 2000 years!!! WE are only 200 old!
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Sorry JB....But I'm just a little busy tryin' to get people to see ALL SIDES of an issue, to PART the RED freakin' SEA, RIGHT NOW!!!  Cheers, Dwight ("I have 15 (CRASH)...er...10 Commandments for you people!"...I stole that from Mel Brooks, ya know)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I haven't read through any other posts in this thread so if my thoughts mirror someone else's, it's not on purpose.
03Crusier,
EVIDENTLY...you HAVEN'T HEARD the NEW RULE around here.(okay...well maybe it's only MY rule, but I think it's a good one, anyway)
You SEE, in order to express your opinion about ANYTHING and on ANY Topic around here, AND in order to maybe LEARN what other people may think and maybe even find out something YOU'VE never thought of...you must FIRST READ THE ENTIRE FREAKIN' THREAD before offering up an opinion.(NOT to say I DON'T agree with some of your points here...but buddy...TAKE THE TIME)
GOT IT?!!!
Cheers,
Dwight
Dwight, My 'apologies' for breaking your little rule. I just don't have that much time right now as I am in Afghanistan with about 5,000 of my buddies trying to track down the Terrorists to ensure we don't have another Sep 11 situation. You remember the Taliban, don't you. They are a depostic, oppressive little group that enjoy pounding their own misguided values and beliefs on people weaker than themselves. I did take the time to read through the complete thread this morning and have discovered that you seem to exhibit a few of those traits yourself.
I don't know you well enough to make an accurate assessment, but your posts on this thread seem a little heavy-handed. Yelling (ALL CAPS) is not a way to get your point across.
I have been protecting your freedom for the last 19 years of my life, and will continue to do so. I do not have to agree with what you say, but I will protect your right to say them. I WILL NOT, however, sit idly by while you sit there on your throne and verbally poke me in the chest. That's a really good way to lose a finger, sir.
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CALL THE SHERIFF!!!!! It's fixin' t' happen agin  . Man, we just got cleaned up from the last one .
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Just ignore Dwight. That's what most people do.
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You tell em 03 cruiser. It wont take though. He is hard of hearing. Can't see out of one ear and the other is cloudy to partly fair on odd days.
P.S If you get a chance to pop one of those Talibans right in the forehead...think of me while you do it. I'll enjoy it vicariously
Get some!
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My 'apologies' for breaking your little rule. I just don't have that much time right now as I am in Afghanistan with about 5,000 of my buddies trying to track down the Terrorists to ensure we don't have another Sep 11 situation.
Whoa, dude, where did THAT come from? We seem to have jumped - spectacularly even for this group's standards - from Immigration to your tour of duty in one fell swoop. Holy non sequitur, Batman! And although I suspect Dwight is a big boy now and can pull up his trousers all by himself, I'm not sure the comparison of Dwight to a member of the Taliban is fair or accurate. Granted he is now sporting a beard and isn't a big fan of Christianity, but that's about as close to the Taliban as he gets.
Now, if the changes in immigration policy make it easier to have "guest workers," then this is where the challenge of potential terrorism comes in. I appreciate that your own role in counter-terrorism is one measure to be taken, but considering that the 9/11 folks were (a) Saudis and (b) in the US via legal visas, there are other avenues on ingress for terrorists that need to be monitored and shored up pretty tightly. Remember that a "guest worker" could be anyone of any nationality - and then again, nationality is not necessarily tied to religious fanticism or political affiliation.
Keep up the good work, Cruiser, but don't get drawn into the insidious mindset of thinking that dissent equals consent for the enemy. Even Dwight's taxes pay for the ammunition!
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Sigmund,
THAT came from the fact that I really don't enjoy being yelled at by someone who uses a forum such as this as their bully pulpit. After reading through the posts, I see that Dwight consistantly yells at folks who aren't 100% in line with his thoughts.
If I read that wrong, then I have made a mistake. I will not apologize, however, for standing up for myself to a bully.
Now, I'm completely against the Guest Worker program. I really believe that we need to shut the borders tight, give all illegals a free ride home, No matter how long they have been here (if they've been here for 15 years and are still illegal, I don't think they have ANY intention of getting legal, and start the immigration process over with a huge emphasis on background checks.
Expensive? You bet! But can you put a dollar amount on our nations security? I can't.
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'CUZ...UNFORTUNATELY...there's NOT a swingin' dick on this here planet who DOESN'T have just a liiiiiiittle bit of prejudice deep down in his soul!
GOT THAT?!!
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Cheers,
Dwight
Got me thinking about that statement. Respectfully, however, I disagree. I can understand forming that opinion based on ones sphere of influence but I can honestly say that my Mom, wife and Dad do not have one thread of prejudice thought. (My dad happened to be a minister - Nazarene - kindof a smaller group I suppose).
I am sure I could be wrong, but just listening to them raise me, watching their daily actions/prayers/working w/people and then living w/my wife daily...I just had respond.
There are good people in this world (not speaking of myself by the way...but I do try).
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... I see that Dwight consistantly yells at folks who aren't 100% in line with his thoughts.
Had you examined Dwight's posts you will have noticed that he also "yells" (as you call it - i.e. All Caps) at folks who ARE 100% in line with his thoughts ... and I really don't think he wishes to "bully" them either.
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Dear 03cruiser, 1. Thanks for serving. 2. Thanks for serving in that crap hole, and come home safe and soon. (It's a long deployment only while you're there. Once it's over, the clock speeds up again. Trust me on that one.) 3. I take Dwight completely differently than you do. For one, I never hear him yelling directly at me. After all, this is a forum full of folks with a single common interest (Triumphs), but of diverse backgrounds, opinions, manners of expression, etc. Dwight's method of using CAPs in his writing is (this is my take) a way of emphasising/emoting certain words or phrases. I read his missives as (sometimes poorly written) music - which has notations for softer, louder, lively, and such. To you, it's yelling. To me, it's "emphasising." My own writing style uses CAPs, quoatations, apparently Misspelled words (like quoatations, for example), parentheses, hyphens, and I hope a bit of self depricating (some here would say it was defecating) dry humor. If I were ever to write a threatening letter to someone, they would certainly know it was me who wrote it. 4. My point is that I view this off topic forum as a source of amusement and diversion, and I rarely take anything seriously here. It's like a cyber beer lounge without the middle part. I know that it's tough over there, but I doubt that Dwight's opinionated bombastic, one-sided, simplisticly expressed opinions in any way reflect or sympathize with the germ-cakes you and your comrades are protecting us from. I certainly don't take his rants personally, and neither should you. However, it's good that you expressed your annoyance. 5. There are a lot of folks in this lounge. Perhaps he uses CAPs so he can be heard above the din. 6. Now, get your a$$ back here soon! (AND I'LL BETCHA DWIGHT AGREES WITH THAT ONE...)
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I think the issue in here IMHO mirrors the pure reality of the fact that so many of those people who carry the liberal standard are completely out of touch with reality and of course are exremely annoying to those of us who were brought up outside communist enclaves like California or any of the other sad blue states. Not that there are not some conservatives there but we do find those states largely populated with sheeple who will follow or do whatever the anti-american leftist party tells them to do. Either that or they are just not following or realizing that the once patriotic democratic party has fallen from that category and is now essentially a special interest lobby for wack job organizations, terrorist infrastuctures worldwide and is truthfully viewed by the old standard Americans as an entity that is 100% non American and is rapidly becoming viewed by many as filled with Americants.
It all boils down to what you wanna be an American or an Americant.
Our history is what has made us what we are and that history was made by AmeriCANS not AmeriCANTS.
Military people in truth will say that they will die to defend the rights of the AmeriCANTS but I, for one, when I was in the military always wanted to see those Americants living somewhere else. I'd rather spill my blood for someone who gives a $$$$.
The words, deeds, and activities of all the talking heads and spokespeople of the left are clearly not an American agenda. They are the words and deeds of our worst enemies
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I think the issue in here IMHO mirrors the pure reality of the fact that so many of those people who carry the liberal standard are completely out of touch with reality and of course are exremely annoying to those of us who were brought up outside communist enclaves like California or any of the other sad blue states. Not that there are not some conservatives there but we do find those states largely populated with sheeple who will follow or do whatever the anti-american leftist party tells them to do. Either that or they are just not following or realizing that the once patriotic democratic party has fallen from that category and is now essentially a special interest lobby for wack job organizations, terrorist infrastuctures worldwide and is truthfully viewed by the old standard Americans as an entity that is 100% non American and is rapidly becoming viewed by many as filled with Americants.
It all boils down to what you wanna be an American or an Americant.
Our history is what has made us what we are and that history was made by AmeriCANS not AmeriCANTS.
Military people in truth will say that they will die to defend the rights of the AmeriCANTS but I, for one, when I was in the military always wanted to see those Americants living somewhere else. I'd rather spill my blood for someone who gives a $$$$.
The words, deeds, and activities of all the talking heads and spokespeople of the left are clearly not an American agenda. They are the words and deeds of our worst enemies
Lots of name calling and finger waving there! Yikes!
I must say that although I often don't 100% agree with the method or the means that some of "your left" facing targets! and though I tend more center/right then they do,
1. I would say that I haven't seen any of your "anti Americanism" quite the opposite fervent Americanism.
Dwight OFTEN makes excellent points! and to blindly dismiss them without listening to them make you just as guilty of how did you put it...being "sheeple who will follow or do whatever the...party tells them to do".
I actually ENJOY hearing his oppinion and often find that we are on the same page looking for the same end ...but have vastly different oppinions on how we should reach that end...Putting Party "blinders" on FOR EITHER side is the biggest problem we now face...We automaticly assume because someone is left/right they have no value to add to any conversation...nothing could be further from the truth...
2. Both sides are more than GUILTY of becoming special intrest lobbies...just for different special interest...that brush paints both ways..
3. 03cruiser I would tend to echo those sentiments of those who have described the use of CAPS...I tend to think of it less like yelling and more like hand waving and passion (both extreamly dificult to do in type)
Further Thanks for serving! I have many friends and relatives serving and have been to more than my share of farewell/welcome home parties....Hope YOUR welcome home party is SOON and Enjoyable!!
To reduce this thread to name calling and finger pointing...instead of an exchange of (often opposing) ideas reduces it to a 3rd grade confrontation at recess...
"Oh yeah well your a pupu head"....
"Yeah well your a...."
and the whole point of the conversation is lost, no longer an exchange of ideas...just an exchange of blows! 
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When your family has bled for this country as much as mine has over the years you tend to develop a degree of intolerance for the wannabes. I will not apologize for my exrtemist Jingoism. I am a proud Jingoist and a fervent "infidel"
I know which side is right. And it aint Dwight's He simply has an opinion ...albeit a very wrong, hurtful and ill advised one at that.
I am sure he is a fine man just ill directed in his knowledge of the world and obviously very willing to adopt revisionist history. And to make light of those of us with a fervent appreciation of honor.
Its up to us all to decide which one we are....an AmeriCAN or an insignificant AmeriCANT.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
"Strength and Honor"
With that I will step out of this useless conversation.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Yep. This thread is about ripe and ready for locking. Dwight, you've been taking a lot of heat. Any last words?
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Actually my last words. My whole point in bringing this up was to hopefully get a few people off their arses and take a stand. It seems a lot of people have strong feelings for this, yet no one will stand up and fight. So, hopefully I've got your blood boiling a little and you won't be so tollerant of being pushed around.
Roosevelt's speech had some great ideals in it, however there's a difference between a presidents speech and the real world we are facing. There's a difference between the generation he was speaking to then and the generation and moral standards of today. This is by far not pre-WWII America, economically, population wise, moral fiber, pride, foreign policy, world economy, etc., etc.
So all I'm saying is, stand up and carry the flag, be counted, and don't be afraid to sign your name on this.
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This reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw this morning on the way to dropping my kids off:
"Blind Faith in Bad Leadership is NOT Patriotism"
Glad to see that you feel the sacrifices of your family are so much more valuable than the sacrifices of other families. Your rhetoric is an example of exactly what is wrong with this country, "I'm right and you're wrong, and there is no room for discussion, cause if you don't agree with me, then you're an anti-American commie liberal" Geez guy, get off of that bandwagon and think for yourself!
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Sorry you feel that way Bayern710. I do not normally hear to many submariners former or present offer that kind of outlook. We see a lot of submariners here that come in for trianing on our hydraulic valves/servo valves....most are like me and are "strongly" on the bandwagon to win.
To each his own. Even if you are wrong.
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Sorry you feel that way Bayern710. I do not normally hear to many submariners former or present offer that kind of outlook. We see a lot of submariners here that come in for trianing on our hydraulic valves/servo valves....most are like me and are "strongly" on the bandwagon to win.
To each his own. Even if you are wrong.
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Yeah, it's a shame when one of us submariners decides to use his head and think!!! ******, what's the world coming to?
Yep, that's me, out beating the drum everyday hoping the US is subverted from within...
Well, you know the old saying about opinions...
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hey Bill I like (.)(.) and beer (read scotch) !
THE VOICE OF REASON
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RobBA05, what is (.)(.)????
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what is (.)(.)????
I think those would be a D cup...based upon the spacing...and natural...based upon the location of the "dots"
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Now, now Greg, you know that thinking people are the enemies of totalitarianism. Just look at the "cultural revolution" of China, the exile of the Soviet dissidents or the policies of Pol Pot. As long as there is intelligent discussion the demagogues, be they left or right, cannot have their way. Thus they resort to name calling, lying, and any other means to discredit their opposition. Any means, that is, other than an informed exchange of ideas. That would be anathematic to them.
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hey Bill I like (.)(.) and beer (read scotch) !
Scotch works for me .
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Bill, during my job search, I recently came across several postings on CareerBuilder.com for Focus on Family out in Colorado Springs, that I might have even been successful at applying for, but I just couldn't, no matter how badly I want to move west. But I have to say, the thought (there's that dirty word again!) of me working for Dr. James Dobson did cause a smile to cross my face... What's that old saying about a bull in a china shop?
Btw, total blind obedience to the Supreme Commander is NOT such a bad thing, it helped Uncle Adolf greatly during the 1000 year Reich. IF it weren't for those traitors like Rommel and the White Rose Group, who failed to realize the brilliance of his leadership, and who DARED to question authority, his plan would have gone off perfectly. It's a good thing they were at least executed for treason, so that others would learn from their mistakes. The only way to deal with Traitors is to exterminate them or exile them...(just in case, I'm being mocking here folks...)
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We are talking about scotch glasses, right?
That's not anything like beer goggles is it?? 
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