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Re: Take A Stand - Immigration Act
bigbill #49493 03/29/2006 12:14 AM
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bigbill, try to address the "not for profit link" you requested and i provided. and on your "regurgitating" slight, i guess it takes one to know one. i KNOW the utu f'd my dad and his co-workers, including my wife's grand-dad. i KNOW the uaw was complicit in the demise of the american autoworker. to say otherwise is strictly spewing the party line with one's head in one's nether region. and frankly, i can't understand it.

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if unions, including the major unions, were truly 'not for profit', there'd be no way a 'hoffa problem' could occur. fact of the matter is, union members are being used by the upper mucketty mucks. there's really no denying the continual corruption in america's unions. by the way, ask a bethlehem steel utu member how the union worked out for them. my dad paid for 43 years, only to get f-d in the end. thanks utu, for screwing my dad, my wife's grand-dad and all their co-workers out of benefits paid for for years!!





Many non-profits are victims of corruption. There are federal laws in place to deal with them. If the allegations on that web site have evidence, then there will be prosecutions. If they are just allegations and sour grapes, it won't go anywhere. BTW, I'm not a Teamster, so I won't comment on the veracity of something that I have little knowledge of.
Again I don't know what happened with Bethlehem, but a lot of contracts had the employer handling pensions etc. Kind of like the fox watching the henhouse. And it may have been corruption at the union level.
Anytime humans are involved, there’s the chance for unethical behavior. That is why we have laws, and labor unions are some of the most heavily regulated organizations in this country. Even more so with an unfriendly ruling party.


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I like to add.To those who claim those against ILLEGAL immigration are against immigrants,notice the word ILLEGAL!I have absolutly no problem with those who are here LEGALLY.If any one one who LEGALLY comes here,plays by the rules,makes an honest effort to intergrate and be productive citizens hey welcome aboard.I never understood when people(could be any body comming to any country)not learn the language or make any attempt to learn or intergrate into their host country and not expect any negative vibes from the locals?
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jethro666 #49498 03/29/2006 12:32 AM
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bigbill, try to address the "not for profit link" you requested and i provided. and on your "regurgitating" slight, i guess it takes one to know one. i KNOW the utu f'd my dad and his co-workers, including my wife's grand-dad. i KNOW the uaw was complicit in the demise of the american autoworker. to say otherwise is strictly spewing the party line with one's head in one's nether region. and frankly, i can't understand it.




I was simply replying to the one that I saw first. I apologize for the slight, not my usual M.O. .


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bigbill #49499 03/29/2006 12:35 AM
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bigbill, we're cool. if 'immigrants' are 'legitimized' they could be 'unionized' as well. they are here. let's deal with that fact. the vast majority of them work their butts off. real studies, from both sides of the aisle, show that these workers are real, valued and needed. unions absolutely have a place. i just don't believe they are utopian and beyond reproach!


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bigbill, we're cool.




WHEW!! I thought I mighta stepped on my own **** there.



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if 'immigrants' are 'legitimized' they could be 'unionized' as well. they are here. let's deal with that fact. the vast majority of them work their butts off. real studies, from both sides of the aisle, show that these workers are real, valued and needed. unions absolutely have a place. i just don't believe they are utopian and beyond reproach!




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khatt, there is an over 230 year old population of hyphenated american citizens who would do better in america if they'd heed your words. any chance of "manners and respect" coming from those hyphenated americans any time soon? i highly doubt it. that said, while i agree with the idea that america would be better served by continuing the "melting pot" philosophy, the 'new immigrants' that i deal with are happier to be here than our hyphentated americans ever will declare to be.

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bigbill, i offer you an ice cold lager, on me, should our paths ever cross!!

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My brother and his wife took in three girls whose parents were deported back to Mexico a few years ago. The parents had been here 11 years. The father had a drywall busines and was fairly well known and liked in the community. The parents were paying a lawyer in Denver to help them through the process of becoming citizens. As it turns out the lawyer was doing nothing but taking their money. This was just after 9/11 and the feds had to make a show of force. They barged in one night and took the parents away in handcuffs. Nobody could figure out why they didn't take the kids, but my brother later learned what the agents had said, and it looked like the separation of the family was intentional and meant to be an example to others. I'm not making this up. I really couldn't believe it when my brother and his wife started telling me the story. That was one of the most dispicable things I had ever heard. It just made me angry. Anyway, the kids were too young to take care of themselves and some people found out about it and called my sister-in-law, who is the secretary to the superintendent of schools. She called all her contacts, including the school lawyer. That is who found out about the corrupt lawyer in Denver. The parents are banned from ever coming back into this country. My brother and sis-in-law finally just made room for the three girls in their own home and they have been living there ever since.

All I'm saying is that when you stand up and yell 'Send them back!', sometimes it's a little more complicated than that. It just occurred to me that my brother and his wife could be felons if the proposed House law had been in effect back then. My brother and his wife are saints, not criminals.

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Thanks for putting the human face on this John. What so many fail to realize is that simple solutions are anything but!!


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Okay....Gotta get in this one(yeah, like controversy ain't my middle freakin' name around here).....

FIRST...Correction to "the American auto industries's decline": When the "Big Three" have to pay for their employees' health care benefits and their competition overseas have their employees' benefits supplied through their Government's "SOCIALIZED" system(with all the pluses and minuses in THAT equation...and I WON'T go into THAT right now)...less money is available to the american company's for each new model's R and D and quality control.

SOOOOOOOO......DON'T blame the american unionized line worker for this encumberance upon Motown's apparent inability to compete in today's marketplace.

Now to the main issue here......IMMIGRATION.....Okay...REALITY CHECK!!!

There's NO WAY in HELL that this government is going to "round 'em all up and send 'em all back"....so GET REAL!

And BESIDES...I DON'T want to ever live to see an american version of KRISTALLNACHT!!! And let me TELL YA somethin'..."Roundin' 'em up" could very likely become SIMILAR! And that AIN'T a good thing.

Is there a problem? You're D*mn RIGHT there is! And unfotunately for some who want an instant fix here...compromise WILL ensue. That's ALSO REALITY, and I'm kind'a GLAD about that in a way! Because WITHOUT COMPROMISE....BAD and NASTY THINGS HAPPEN, SEEEEEE?!!!

Now regarding this "RACIST THING". That TOO bothers the hell out of me every time I hear THAT inserted into this argument...THAT IS, until I remember to remind myself that those who use that card are usually FREAKIN' IDIOTS(regardless for their "race"), and I then remember to consider the source of that complaint.

NOW...that being said...I'll throw something out here that possibly COULD be contrued as "racist"...by ME...Well maybe a little JINGOISTIC at least!

But I would like people to THINK about this......

What I resent is that the "ASSIMILATION FACTOR" seems to have become absent and almost PASSE, in this whole equation.

YEP! So you wanna to live here, huh? WELLLLL, sorry partner! You'll have to read about "Dead White Men" to assimilate then, dude! THAT's just the way it IS, because those swingin' dicks back then started this here country back then and it STILL kind'a works, SEE? So what say we read about a SUCCESS STORY, HUH?)

AND, in THAT vein, let's ask the throngs of immigrant protesters who are now marching in the streets about this controversy, with the MEXICAN FLAG proudly flying above their heads...HEY! WHY the hell are you so freakin' proud of Mexico??? LOOK SOUTH DUDES! Can't you see IT just DOESN'T work very well down there, my friend, and THAT WHY your A$$ is here in the FIRST PLACE!!!

Now...If you REALLY enjoy working and living here with all the bennies that are at your disposal, GREAT! BUT you're waving the WRONG FREAKIN' FLAG, DUDE!!! And are you so freakin' clueless that you don't understand that you're undercutting your credibility and any possible political good will when you sport those "WRONG COLORS", MAN??? Now I realize that you're probably juuuuust a bit under-educated here...so maybe I should give ya a break on that one, huh?

So, IN CLOSING, I say, YES...our U.S. Government Officials DO have to do a BETTER JOB AT SECURING OUR BORDERS, because....as MUCH as I'd like to take in ALL those "Huddled Masses yearning to breathe free out there...I just can't afford it on my airline salary, buddy!!!!(Did I tell ya about my recent 11 percent PAY-CUT, dude?)

And THAT'S the REALITY!!!!

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Dwight #49508 03/29/2006 8:44 AM
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I'm "on the fence" over this one (sorry).

This is a situation that started as a fire in a waste basket - and has been ignored so long, that it is now a three alarm fire. If we do not enforce already established laws, then what good will it do to establish new ones. We have borders for a reason, and our situation here now requires us to "take a stand" because we FAILED to examine and correct the situation PRIOR to now.

I had my roof recovered by a work crew consisting mostly of Hispanic workers. I don't know whether they were here legally or not, but they did a gret job on a miserably hot roof in the middle of an Arkansas summer, and they probably did it because "American" workers wouldn't do the same work nearly as quickly or as well. In fact, most of the clean-up crews in Louisiana and Mississippi after Katrine were from - take a guess...

"Send em all back" sounds great to some, but it looks to me like we're "pregnant" now. Try and get YOUR leaking roof fixed or replaced correctly (as only an example)in a reasonable time, at a reasonable price by an American crew and see what happens.

There are bad apples in EVERY bunch, including the bunch that are legally citizens. Immigration laws in part are designed to cull out as many bad apples as possible from the group being added to the barrel from OTHER barrels.


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I just had ANOTHER rambling, incoherent, dis-jointed thought. Didn't "we" win the southwestern USA in a fair and square fight some many years back? What did we do with the "illegals" that were living in the territories we "won" when the southern borders of the USA was moved to its present location?


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AND...

Here's a long term solution to at least some of the issue.

Since most of the "problem" appears to be directly associated with our southern border with Mexico, let's start sending some of the work/production we presently outsource to China and India to... MEXICO. This would enable the largest portion of "illegals" to seek and find work in their own country. Those who "sneak" over would then have little reason to be here AND it would reduce (theoretically) the present complex issues with immigration and outsourcing to India and China to a more manageable level. It wouldn't Solve the problem, but it would at least be a start in a more "PC" direction.

Thoughts?


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GM has been outsourcing to Mexico for years. Look where they are at now.
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Since most of the "problem" appears to be directly associated with our southern border with Mexico, let's start sending some of the work/production we presently outsource to China and India to... MEXICO.




I just had this mental image of billions of Chinese and Indians swimming toward U.S. shores.

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So, I'm seeing that this is a topic people care about and are passionate about. I also noticed some people started throwing the race card out there, which I never brought up. Of course, most of our problems are from the mexican border, but this isn't a race issue, it's a problem in general that needs to get fixed.

People keep bringing up this was a nation founded on immigrants, which is true, but people forget that they were LEGAL. The other situation is that they came here before there was a process for immigration. If this is your argument, you are completely blind of the fact that things change. If this is your argument, go to the gas station and tell them you'll only pay $.50 cents a gallon, hey you use to, why should you have to pay more.

So, a lot of people are against the senate passing this, I'm willing to be we represent at leaste 75% of the population. BUT, if you don't hit the streets and make it known, you are part of the problem. I understand you work and that's why you can't just go out and hold a sign. I work too. However, what are you doing on Saturday, Sunday, after work. Take a stand. It's your money, your land, your rights. Are you going to let someone take it away from you?! This is internal terrorism as far as I'm concerned.

Personally, I'm tired of paying for these people, I'm tired of them taking down my community, I'm tired of them not being held accountable for the same laws you and I are, and I'm tired of feeling there's nothing I can do about it.

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It's time to shut the borders. Give all the illegals a free ride home when they are found. And then we start the process over again using thorough checks to ensure we don't let any criminals, terrorists or scuzzbags in. There are so many honorable people out there who want to come here and "live the Dream", unfortunately the are over-shadowed by the crooks, terrorists and other undesireables.
This isn't about being "fair and Equitable". It's about the security of our country. Now I realize that the boys who flew the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon were here "legally" on student VISAs, well THAT little system needs to be shut down as well. There are Americans that can't get into a college here because of all the 25 - 35 year old "Students" that are here from other countries getting first-class educations so they can go back to whence they came and protest about/plot against the USA. Heck, the Freaking Taliban Spokesman is a "Student" at Harvard when one of our Olympic Gold Medalists was refused admission to that same school.
I haven't read through any other posts in this thread so if my thoughts mirror someone else's, it's not on purpose. I refuse to apologise for this stance. I know it's not a popular stance but to my antagonists I say this: There are 3500+ less Americans because of our sickeningly lax attitudes about our border security/immigration.
I say lock the borders and clean our own house before we give out the broom to others.


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I haven't read through any other posts in this thread so if my thoughts mirror someone else's, it's not on purpose.


03Crusier,

EVIDENTLY...you HAVEN'T HEARD the NEW RULE around here.(okay...well maybe it's only MY rule, but I think it's a good one, anyway)

You SEE, in order to express your opinion about ANYTHING and on ANY Topic around here, AND in order to maybe LEARN what other people may think and maybe even find out something YOU'VE never thought of...you must FIRST READ THE ENTIRE FREAKIN' THREAD before offering up an opinion.(NOT to say I DON'T agree with some of your points here...but buddy...TAKE THE TIME)

It's kind of like when some(PROBABLY MOST) of the people who visit this website around here say or think somethin' along the lines of...."I don't know why you guys waste your time with these sorts of political discussion around here, 'cuz nobody ever wins".

To which I would like to reply with.....WAKE UP, BUDDY! Life AIN'T ALWAYS ABOUT winning or losing. It's MOSTLY about LEARNING or at least....SHOULD BE. And you can LEARN some interesting things EVEN from DOLTS LIKE ME!

GOT IT?!!!

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and SickBoy,

I would also like to say that UNFORTUNATELY....RACE OR at least CULTURE(which is probably a MORE EXACT term to be applied for issues such as THIS) is almost always pertinent(at least a little) in almost ANY topic or controversy that us stupid freakin' a$$ HUMANS endevour to find a solution for.

'CUZ...UNFORTUNATELY...there's NOT a swingin' dick on this here planet who DOESN'T have just a liiiiiiittle bit of prejudice deep down in his soul!

GOT THAT?!!

SO...the NEXT TIME I hear somebody either make a definative statement such as..."you are a RACIST" OR "I am NOT a RACIST"...OR...REFUSE to even TALK ABOUT that part of the psyche as a possible mitigating force in any disagreement...I'm goin' ta THROTLE the S.O.B.(regardless of Race), because...UNFORTUNATELY...WE ALL suffer for this affliction to different degrees...and you're simplifing OR ignoring (probably because of that dreaded PC) a pertinent context in ANY complex human issue.

Cheers,
Dwight


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The constitution does not say citizens. ANYONE, regardless of status is entitled to the protection of the constitution.




True, but it also true that the Constitution was not intended as a suicide pact. Full legal niceties are not required in all situations. It is obvious that part of the plan here is to completely clog the legal system as a way to completely open the borders. If someone is caught sneaking onto private property, or restricted government areas, they don’t have to charge them with anything, they can just toss them out. Treat the border the same way.

It is clearly the intention of groups like La Raza to overwhelm the US with Mexicans and turn much of the US into a de facto province of Mexico. The Mexican government seems to be complicit in this endeavor. I guess the only way to stop this is to accept the bill passed in the House and make it a felony to be in the US illegally. Put up a fence at the border, get the National Guard to patrol the borders, and put every illegal caught in detainment camps set up in the desert like that Sheriff in Arizona. They could live there until their hearing or accept the administrative option of immediate deportation. Finger print every deportee and make it law that no one caught entering the US illegally can apply to enter legally for at least ten years. If we really want the cheap labor let them apply for work visas not sneak across the border.

Mexico has plenty of laws protecting it’s sovereignty, why do so many people think there’s something wrong with the US doing the same thing?


We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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OH and Bogie,

BTW...The DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE...says..."Creator", NOT "GOD". Now...if you'd like to interpret this that way...FINE!

BUT...WE AMERICANS live by(or SHOULD at least) the CONSTITUTION as the governing body of laws, NOT that defiant statement issued to King George III back in 1776!

And they're NO PLACE in the CONSTITUTION that has the word "GOD" in it. THANK GOD!(ironic...ain't it)

'CUZ...if there were....we'd probably be like most of those pseudo-Theocracies out there floundering in this freakin' world!!!

Cheers,
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It's your money, your land, your rights.




Not as of the beginning of this year, per the Supreme Court, or haven't you heard? It's now the land of the highest bidder per the newly defined imminent domain. SO, if you think the US Congress is going to give up cheap labor (don't forget, Congress is only answerable to business, not the people) by doing anything other than making a few meaningless concessions to popular opinion, good luck!

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JB, I have to say I'm with you on this. We've done this to ourselves folks, and JB is right. Look at all of the construction sites going up, and you'll see a large Hispanic presence. And sorry, but I know several Mexicans here (some legal, some I'm sure illegal), and they work their asses off. Meanwhile, I go into work where I'm at, and listen to the hourly guys in the canteen bitching about how bad life is (working in an airconditioned cleanroom earning $15-18/hour), and feel like kicking them right the hell out of their chairs. I think some sort of closure of the borders is going to have to happen, somehow, until we can clean up this mess, and straighten out our process so it DOES work, but I don't see that resolve coming from Congress. Further, "locking down the border with National Guard troops" isn't a viable option, remember, we're still heavily committed in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention along the Gulf Coast, and the Mexican border is not a very small border, so where are these troops going to come from?

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There is a difference between "creator" and "God" in the context of the Constitution.

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Okay....Gotta get in this one(yeah, like controversy ain't my middle freakin' name around here).....

FIRST...Correction to "the American auto industries's decline": When the "Big Three" have to pay for their employees' health care benefits and their competition overseas have their employees' benefits supplied through their Government's "SOCIALIZED" system(with all the pluses and minuses in THAT equation...and I WON'T go into THAT right now)...less money is available to the american company's for each new model's R and D and quality control.

SOOOOOOOO......DON'T blame the american unionized line worker for this encumberance upon Motown's apparent inability to compete in today's marketplace.




So now you show up, after the glass has been swept up, bar stools put back upright , the sheriff has left. drinks poured and ice packs applied .
I knew you'd be here though


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OH yeah, good points on the immigration issue too .


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There is a difference between "creator" and "God" in the context of the Constitution.




If yer tryin' to get me into this arguement, it won't work. 'Cause I agree .


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So now you show up, after the glass has been swept up, bar stools put back upright , the sheriff has left. drinks poured and ice packs applied .
I knew you'd be here though




Yep! That's ME!

Always LATE for ALL the "FUN"!!!

Cheers,
Dwight


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Dwight #49525 03/29/2006 2:40 PM
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Hispanics are not the problem. We are the problem. A 5% unemployment rate is virtually total employment. That 5% represents the unemployable.
Living in SoCal, I can attest that the undocumented are not working for slave labor. They are smarter than that. One cannot find a day laborer to work for under $10 - $15.00 per day. They are doing the jobs that cannot be filled.
By the way, I do apoligize for calling folks here racist. Nothing personal, but all the talk is about Mexicans. They make up only 56% of the total undocumented (granted a large proportion). However the Mexican border is not the only access to this country.
I still go back to decriminalizing and having guest workers. It is the only control for Homeland Security.

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Bayern, don't even get me started with the imminent domain issue, but guess what, that can be changed too.

Dwight, I think you assume too much. It's a funny about left wing radicals, they claim they want equal rights for everyone, yet they are the first to impose their beliefs on others. Think about that, but I'm sure it'll just come back with some yelling, perhaps some catchy slogan, 1,2,3,4 you're a racist, we're not gonna take it anymore, blah, blah, blah.


throddle on.

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Yep! That's ME, ALRIGHT! One o' then thare "Left-wing RADICALS"!

LOOK! I've ALWAYS prefered to look at the BIG PICTURE, buddy, call a spade a spade(and NO...that AIN'T no freakin racial epithet here) and see ALL FREAKIN' SIDES of an ISSUE.

SOOOOOO....THAT makes me one of them nasty ol' "LEFT-WING RADICALS, HUH?

OH GOD!(and BigBill is SURE to find the IRONY[and humor] in THIS)...GIVE ME STRENGTH!!!

Cheers,
Dwight


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Bruce, excellent points. It's the same here in Vegas for the day labor. If offered less than $10 an hour, they turn it down, but they often stand on the corner all day and get no offers. That's unreported and untaxed income, so many businesses like it because they avoid all the payroll taxes involved. Many of the illegals want to work every day and so take less money (below minimum wage) for regular employment with a landscaping company or commercial laundry or construction company. Of course if one of them gets hurt on the job, he gets no workers compensation, just treatment at the county hospital and back home if he can't do the work anymore.
The border with Mexico is where the majority of illegal immigrants enter this country, so it stands to reason that most are Mexican and other Hispanic peoples. In fact a significant number come from Central America. So even though Mexicans make up 56% (stats that you gave) of the undocumented workforce, I bet the number of Hispanic illegals is much higher than that.


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OH GOD!(and BigBill is SURE to find the IRONY[and humor] in THIS)...GIVE ME STRENGTH!!!





Dang Dwight , that's the second time you've prayed on this site .
I don't think I ever have . What's up with that? .



Oh, yeah. Preachin's my gig .


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It's a funny about left wing radicals, they claim they want equal rights for everyone, yet they are the first to impose their beliefs on others.




Ya' know Kurt, I think that applies to the radical right as well as the radical left. That's just the way it is with extremists.


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OH GOD!(and BigBill is SURE to find the IRONY[and humor] in THIS)...GIVE ME STRENGTH!!!





Dang Dwight , that's the second time you've prayed on this site .
I don't think I ever have . What's up with that? .




Actually Bill.....I was thinkin' that after I retire, that there HEAD HONCHO job in the VATICAN, looks pretty cushy to ME!(good benefits I hear)

So I better get a good start on it starting RIGHT NOW!

Cheers,
Dwight
(I know they'll make be change my name....so how does Pope "LENIN" OR Pope "Uncle Joe" sound to you?....ya know being one o' them thare "Left-Wing Radicals" and all....nawww...they won't go for THAT, I'm almost sure....any suggestions???...I'm "ASSUMING" SickBoy may have a few, though!)


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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What about that there "celibacy" requirment ?


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