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Worn Saddle
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Worn Saddle
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I believe the igniter killer is heat so I think you'll be okay testing with yours just to see Wendy's bike fire up. I don't see nearly as many failures on the 360 bikes but I attribute that to location, under the seat is vastly cooler than under the tank. Never heard of a Scrambler failure either but that's also a much smaller population.
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Fe Butt
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Thank you all for all your help and suggestions, I feel like such a dope. I checked everything but the most obvious, the Procom had a bent pin from the factory. Just happened to be the same pin that feeds the ground side of the right coil, same as the pin that failed on the stock CDI! I now have good spark on both sides,just need to put it all back together and fire it up.
I wonder if I should ask Eddy to warranty it, scares me that pin may be weak where is was bent.
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Worn Saddle
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Worn Saddle
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You'll be fine. Since it is a plug once and leave it the pin won't see any use until you pull the Procomm again. Plus you'll be careful when you handle it. And, there's no sideways pressure on the straight pin to further compound any possible weakness...dielectric grease will also lube it so I think you're gold.
I thought through the wasted spark issue and I concluded that Triumph would never use two coils if they could use the same unit already in service in the 360 degree standards. Ergo, no wasted spark for us.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Fe Butt
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The wasted spark wouldn't work on a 270º engine either since the crank is not in the same position for both sides when the spark happens like it would be for the 360º engine.
Took the bike up the road and it ran good but it definately doesn't seem to run as well as the oe CDI when cold.
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Worn Saddle
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Worn Saddle
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Oh, I knew that...I was meaning wasted spark for each cylinder firing in a 270 order not like the 360 firing every rotation. :-)
I was still wrong :-)
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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Great!  Glad you found the problem and shared the results with us. That one was a puzzler for sure.
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Now I need to go burn some brush with gas on it!  I really have been burning trees and limbs I cut yesterday ever since I got the bike fixed. No gas though.
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Bar Shake
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Bar Shake
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Uh-huh. Look back at my first suggestion Ian  Checking connections means both sides of the connection 
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When mine did that it was the igniter. Maybe the connections at the igniter harness? Air gap at the pickup coil? (.08mm)
got the decimal point in the wrong place for the pick up gap though. it's 0.8mm
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Bar Shake
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When mine did that it was the igniter. Maybe the connections at the igniter harness? Air gap at the pickup coil? (.08mm)
got the decimal point in the wrong place for the pick up gap though. it's 0.8mm
How 'bout dat? 
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Just happened to have problems on right side firing..after running a trip in all kind of weather (incl rain) some 3000 km with no problems, but washed biked home and next day run 2*130km. On motorway after 50 km felt smthing strange, thought it was buffling/road and stopped on gasstation but noticed nothing and continued with no problems. Coming back it appeared again (after some 80 km), motor not running ok the end of the trip. At home noticed burned marks in right side pipe. I checked and cleaned the inginition coil connections (used wd40) and changed also the sparkplugs (even they looked of to me). Now I've run the same trip 250km ok with no problems, hopefully the problem don't appear. I think I'll be more careful washing the bike from now on as it could result in electrical problems ?! Maybe a good idea to protect the connectors with white vaseline ?
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Use dielectric grease.
+1 That's what it's made for.
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A bit off the topic, but 'dielectric grease', no one seems to know it around here, but white vaselin is easy to reach and quite many seem to have used it for connectors. I just wonder if we talk of same stuff with different name. Even some connectors in america looks like they've got (white)vaselin kind of paste ? http://www.felder.de/produktausgabe-kfz/...tive_agent.html
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Check Pants
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Check Pants
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There is a product called DeOx from elect. supply s that works as well. One of the Sparky s at work turned me on to it. One can is a lifetime supply.
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Stickman Yogi
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A bit off the topic, but 'dielectric grease', no one seems to know it around here...
We know about it.
http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...true#Post435215
Search "dielectric" and all kinds of things come up from this forum.
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A bit off the topic, but 'dielectric grease', no one seems to know it around here...
We know about it.
http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...true#Post435215
Search "dielectric" and all kinds of things come up from this forum.
Sorry.. (now I know why there's a 'preview' option before sending email). I meant if anyone knows the 'white vaselin' (not so much discussed option) and if it's same stuff as dielectric grease.
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Well, rode about 300 miles yesterday and the bike didn't skip a beat.
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Sorry.. (now I know why there's a 'preview' option before sending email). I meant if anyone knows the 'white vaselin' (not so much discussed option) and if it's same stuff as dielectric grease.
It looks like "white vaselin" is a petroleum product. Dielectric grease is silicone. In fact I believe that if you can find silicone grease (not RTV sealant) it will be the same thing.
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Greenhorn
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Thanks for the info bigbill. I recall seeing silicone grease in a store around here.
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