Check out the new Gallery
wicked red 1100
wicked red 1100
by mag10, August 21
Windshield I need to replace
Windshield I need to replace
by philwarner, May 10
first ride
first ride
by NemoJr, April 1
Steve McQueen inspired
Steve McQueen inspired
by Feral, November 28
GaRally22
GaRally22
by chy, September 18
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Electrical problem - Help!
#494373 07/02/2012 1:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
OP Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
My left turn indicator is messed up. Right works fine, but left dash and rear light blink rapidly - no front light flashing. I first thought it had to be a bulb. I swapped left and right bulbs (front and rear) and changed dash indicator bulb. Same problem. Could not find anything loose in either fixture or inside the headlight or dash.

I can't think of anything else to check but the flasher located under the tank. Before I remove the tank, anyone have a guess or know what else to check? Does that sound like a failed flasher unit?

Thanks, Bob


Bob 2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
RamSound #494374 07/02/2012 2:51 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
OP Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Still no luck. After studying wiring diagrams it appears the power goes to the flasher unit THEN to the switch. From there the hot hits all three bulbs (front, dash, rear) which are tied to ground.

It's hard to suspect the flasher as it works fine for the right indicators. But, I am not getting DC voltage on the left front while it is rapidly flashing. So, I'm guessing a bad connection or a problem with the indicator switch itself. Double checked everything else, still same result.

If I can't figure it out, I'll have to drive it to the Triumph dealer 40 miles away and see if they can fix it while I wait. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks, Bob


Bob 2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
RamSound #494375 07/02/2012 3:29 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 8
Loquacious
Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 8
Have had that happen to mine several times. Check the white connector to the left turn signal. Sometimes it is inside the switch, sometimes outside. The female pins have to be tightened up. They are lousy connectors.


12 Rocket Roadster
03 Bonneville America
69 BSA Firebird Scrambler
73 Yamaha TX 750
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
Gregger #494376 07/02/2012 3:35 PM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432
Likes: 1
Worn Saddle
Offline
Worn Saddle
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432
Likes: 1
I had to deoxit one of my front sockets tips spring, the contacts looked good but had a layer of corrosion that was blocking contact. You might also check inside the headlight bucket for the dreaded chafed wire. I'd bet the flasher is fine, just as you surmised. Did you swap lamps side to side to eliminate a bad lamp that looked ok?


A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
oldroadie #494377 07/02/2012 5:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
OP Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Hi Ed, yep, I swapped the bulbs, even the dash bulb. I pulled the left front socket and looked at it carefully and checked the multi-pin behind the headlight. All looked good, but I couldn't get any DC voltage at the back of the socket when the switch was on. The wiring diagram shows just one hot from the relay (flasher) to the switch. It does seen that should be ok, but I didn't pull the tank (yet) to fool with it.

I'll check the left socket one more time to be sure it's ok. I didn't try unplugging the connections to the socket, but they looked really good and moving them with the switch did nothing. Got me baffled.

Bob

Edit: Socket and connections there are good. There's also continuity between the orange hot wire out of the switch and the white wire at the bulb socket (power off). The rapid flash is normally an indication that a bulb is out. But it appears in this case, actual power is not getting to that socket.

Last edited by RamSound; 07/02/2012 5:33 PM.

Bob 2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
RamSound #494378 07/02/2012 7:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,671
Likes: 15
Loquacious
Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,671
Likes: 15
I would try swapping the relay with a known good unit.

Re: Electrical problem - Help!
B02S4 #494379 07/02/2012 7:46 PM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432
Likes: 1
Worn Saddle
Offline
Worn Saddle
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432
Likes: 1
I'm puzzled, Bob. If you've got one lamp flashing then the dash lamp, the flasher and the switch must therefore be good. Leaves those cheap little connectors or the metal leads in the white plastic socket fault. That leads me to the headlight bucket where the connector is...either the hot or the ground must be broken. What if you swap the leads in the bucket to see if it travels with the lamp socket?


A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
oldroadie #494380 07/03/2012 6:40 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
OP Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
I screwed with it some more today but no luck. Real strange how this just all of a sudden happened and it is not a bulb. I checked the connections and made sure they were tight to the lamp socket.

It has to be something from the relay to the bulb. The relay goes to the multi-pin behind the headlight and from there to the switch and then to both L & R. If the left rear light is flashing fast along with the dash indicator, you would think the switch is working. It would seem the problem would have to be from the switch to the left front socket. Fast flashing is an indication of reduction of the load and usually means a bulb is out.

I would think the wire to the left front indicator would come directly from the switch and not go back to the headlight. The wiring diagram in the shop manual shows a 2-pin connector prior to the black and white wires to the socket. Where is this? I need to check that.

Finally, the switch has two orange wires, a silver (gray) wire, and a green wire. The diagram shows only one orange coming from the flash unit. The silver goes to the right turn lights and the green to the left. After 40 years of troubleshooting sound systems, I can't believe I haven't figured this one out yet. Thanks for the help and still open to input.


Bob 2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
RamSound #494381 07/03/2012 6:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
OP Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Quick update!!! It was the 2-pin connector that is tie-wrapped under the switch. Cut the tie-wraps, cleaned the connector, put it back and it worked.

Can't believe it took me this long to fix this. I hate to think it has anything to do with getting old. Thanks again for all the suggestions.


Bob 2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
RamSound #494382 07/03/2012 10:10 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 8
Loquacious
Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,061
Likes: 8
Quote:


The wiring diagram in the shop manual shows a 2-pin connector prior to the black and white wires to the socket. Where is this? I need to check that.





That is the white connector I mentioned a few posts ago to check. Sometimes it is secured inside the handlebar switch, sometimes outside. There is one on each side for each signal light. I forgot to mention that it was 2 pin. The connector it rather cheap. You would think that connectors hanging out in the breeze should at least be water proof.

Glad to see you found the problem.


12 Rocket Roadster
03 Bonneville America
69 BSA Firebird Scrambler
73 Yamaha TX 750
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
Gregger #494383 07/03/2012 10:21 PM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432
Likes: 1
Worn Saddle
Offline
Worn Saddle
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432
Likes: 1
I totally forgot about that connector it's been so long since I relocated my pumpkins. Good call Greg!


A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
Re: Electrical problem - Help!
oldroadie #494384 07/04/2012 10:14 AM
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,671
Likes: 15
Loquacious
Offline
Loquacious
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,671
Likes: 15
Another Vault candidate...


Moderated by  bennybmn, chy, mert 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Rides
2025 Arkansas Rally
by roadworthy - 04/24/2025 7:57 PM
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4