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OH! And to get off this whole freakin' helmet thing, 'cause as we ALWAYS see here, NOBODY'S freakin' "opinion", be it based on fact OR on some freakin' urban legend, is EVER gonna be changed one way or the other...and soooooo, I'VE been wondering why some guys here choose to ride in the heat in a leather jacket instead of an armored mesh one, or even maybe a perforated leather one?
Uh huh, 'cause believe it or NOT here all you T-shirt/leather vest wearin' riders out there, those MESH jackets ACTUALLY make you feel COOLER while you're out there in 80degree-plus weather than in just a T-shirt!
(..uh huh...BELIEVE it or NOT...and I should KNOW, livin' as I do in ARIZONA...uh HUH..and NOT to start all this freakin' helmet thing again, BUT this ALSO goes for wearin' a freakin' helmet TOO!!...and THAT is NO urban-freakin'-MYTH...it DOES keep ya cooler!)
Lemme agree with Dwight on this, because we had this conversation a few weeks ago. I rode from Yuma to Sedona in 114+ heat. Helemt and Mesh Jacket, the only sunburn I received was on my wrist between my glove and jacket cuff. With my helemt on it was HOT!!! but when I'd open the face shield to get some air it was like a blast furnace and I couldnt get a breath!!!
I'm glad I had my mesh on. It kept the sun off me and channeled the air up my arms and down my back.
The helmet was hot, but w/o a windscreen (cuz I hate windscreens) I couldnt breathe with that hot air hitting my face (which is what I asked Bob and crew Friday night at Dwights house, because Bob rides with a Half Helmet, how do you breathe that hot air??)
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I don't care what y'all do as long as you keep your clothes on. I was riding through PA about two years ago, minding my own business, when I came to a stop sign. I looked to my left: no care. Looked to my right: and there was a guy on a Harley wearing nothing but a pair of sunglasses. He rides by completely naked. I'm still trying to scrub that image out of my head.
Moral of the story. Helmets are at your discretion, clothing is manditory.
Saw a guy like that Yuma a few months back, he had shorts on though they were tiny nut-huggin cut offs. Funnies thing was he was on the side of the road hiding behind his harley from the dust storm. Glasses and shorts in a dust storm with 45mph winds...nothing like sandblasting your nips off!
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I don't care what y'all do as long as you keep your clothes on. I was riding through PA about two years ago, minding my own business, when I came to a stop sign. I looked to my left: no care. Looked to my right: and there was a guy on a Harley wearing nothing but a pair of sunglasses. He rides by completely naked. I'm still trying to scrub that image out of my head.
Moral of the story. Helmets are at your discretion, clothing is manditory.
Saw a guy like that Yuma a few months back, he had shorts on though they were tiny nut-huggin cut offs. Funnies thing was he was on the side of the road hiding behind his harley from the dust storm. Glasses and shorts in a dust storm with 45mph winds...nothing like sandblasting your nips off!
I usually ride with my shield up wearing sunglasses. One evening we had some typical mountain weather and we started getting light sleet. No problem, dropped the shield, had my gloves and mesh jacket. The sleet was melting on contact with the pavement.
Passed Harley guy on I-40. Open vest over bare skin, beanie helmet, no gloves, no eye protection (squinting terribly hard). I didn't see any actual bleeding but he was right there. He looked like the skin was getting stripped of his body. I can't even imagine what his eyes were going through. If it were me I'd have pulled over before I looked like I should be in the burn unit.
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Maybe they should make it mandatory for ppl in cars to wear helmets.  
Uh, let's not, most of them already have their heads already firmly implanted in the Cone of Silence (and Blindness), let's not handicap them any more!
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All the gear, all the time.
Ed's (biker) wife Vicky works in the ER. She says they call riders without all the gear "Organ Donors" for a reason. Seen too many up close she has.
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I don't care how hot it is. I'm wearing my jacket and helmet. It may be a false sense of security, but I feel a lot free'er riding with my gear on. It sets me free, contrary to the thoughts of those who think they may be without a helmet or jacket on. The few short trips I've made without, made me feel naked, and uneasy - "uncomfortable". I did not feel right. I'm plenty comfortable naked, don't get me wrong, but out on two wheels is definitely not the time! 
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I don't care how hot it is. I'm wearing my jacket and helmet. It may be a false sense of security, but I feel a lot free'er riding with my gear on. It sets me free, contrary to the thoughts of those who think they may be without a helmet or jacket on.
The few short trips I've made without, made me feel naked, and uneasy - "uncomfortable". I did not feel right.
I'm plenty comfortable naked, don't get me wrong, but out on two wheels is definitely not the time!
I was watching a recent motorcycle race on TV where it was raining and they were going down in droves. All of them got up, chased down their bikes and shook their fists at whoever they thought had caused them to go down. At least one of them hopped back on his bike and continued the race. They were all wearing full gear. I'm pretty sure the story would have been different if they had been without helmets and wearing blue jeans, t shirts and sneakers. As for wearing gear in the heat. I have several jackets and sets of gloves. Some are heavy winter time clothes and others are mesh summer clothes. A tshirt might be more comfortable but a mesh jacket is tolerable and protects me from both road rash and the sunburn that comes from a full day riding in the sun.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I was watching a recent motorcycle race on TV where it was raining and they were going down in droves. All of them got up, chased down their bikes and shook their fists at whoever they thought had caused them to go down. At least one of them hopped back on his bike and continued the race. They were all wearing full gear. I'm pretty sure the story would have been different if they had been without helmets and wearing blue jeans, t shirts and sneakers...
Now THIS is 100% correct! 
Saw similar scenes on NASCAR! Massive pile-ups @ over 200 mph and nobody hurt! 
PROOF POSITIVE the ATGATT works! 
So... Your (NOT you personally, but everybody) are a complete ASS if your go for a ride in a cage WITHOUT a complete roll cage, full restraint harness, fire suppression system, AND... ATGATT! 
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You know...I once worked a call where a guy was smoking while filling up his gas tank and the vapors ignited and he had pretty nasty flash and inhalation burns.
But wait, you say. The flash point of gasoline vapors is higher than the temperature of a burning cigarette. His cigarette should not have ignited those gasoline vapors.
Yes, I agree. That is what the MSDS charts say. However, the man who was recently on fire might dispute this fact.
The thing is...gassing up your car while smoking a cigarette is impressively stupid.
When you know that 80% of all motorcycle fatalities are the result of head injuries, wearing a helmet is right up there with not smoking when you gas up.
Just something to consider (but I know no one will).
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Life itself is full of risk. wear a helmet in the shower to prevent head injuries in a slip and fall. Wear a helmet EVERWHERE YOU GO, it will help prevent head injuries from auto accidents, trip and falls, strong arm robberies, airborne debris, even bird ****** in the eyes, that could lead to a deadly accident. Wear one while jogging, on construction sites (hard hats don't provide the ultimate in protection), while camping, water skiing, etc. Opinions  are like butt holes, everyone has one, and generally only care about theirs. I believe helmets provide protection, as stated above and elsewhere, IF you are involved in an incident. Can't argue with that. I also believe you may avoid that incident, a percentage of them anyway, if your senses are enhanced, or lets say, not impaired by the bulb over your head. Will anyone argue that their hearing, peripheral vision, the hair on the back of your neck, and just your overall senses are ENHANCED by wearing a helmet!?? I hope not, or your just spewing crap.  I see about 90% of the responses have been "Go your own way". You choose your risks. I KNOW someone who knows you, and loves you, would PREFER you DIDN'T ride on a motorcycle to begin with (I CERTAINALY HOPE SO!). How can you open yourself up to the inherent risks, that we have ALL acknowledged, by throwing a leg over a bike?  I wish I had Dwight's talents for finding the obscure, I'd post that age old cartoon of the head in the jar, on the lab table, with ALL KINDS of instruments, machinery, and devices hooked to it, with the head smiling and saying "If it weren't for my Bell 5000, I'd be dead right now".  I have friends, some on this site, who have expressed that if they couldn't enjoy their ride without being bundled up like a fragile glass in a USPS box, with the wind in their face, they would probably quit riding. They're probably exaggerating, but I respect their views, and wouldn't dare try to make them do otherwise. (caught THAT one, didn't I Ian?)  I've never wore a helmet on my cruiser (until RECENTLY), with rare exception. I've always wore one on my sport bikes, with rare exception. I always wear one on the dirt bikes. VERY different style of riding on each for me, with VERY different risks on each. I push my limits on the last two, I don't push the limits on my cruiser. But that's just me. I wear one on the cruiser now, cause I (read "I") just feel better 70% of the time (DON'T read too much into this comment, as I'm 56 now, and sooner or later, I'll probably prefer a trike). It may also make the difference between an open casket @ my funeral, or a closed one. (either way, I'd rather not get there in the first place) This thread is as beneficial as the oil threads, gun law debates, Row vs Wade, etc.  Nothing will be gained here, only angered feelings and arguments. Lets let this one go the way of those old oil threads (we know they'll raise their ugly heads again SOMETIME in the future). It's no wonder the "old timers", including the Mod's, don't post much anymore. Choose your risks, don't push your views down other peoples throats. Everyone here is over 21, and certainly capable of making their own decisions in life, even the ones that turn out wrong for any given situation. "We don't need no Terry Jones'es's" speaker unknown.  With ALL due respect.
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FWIW, according to the NTSB the majority of motorcycle fatalities are on bikes most would describe as cruisers. The riders tended to be around 40.
Yeah, it surprised me, too. I would have guessed kids on sport bikes.
I'm guessing alcohol was the deciding factor.
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FWIW, according to the NTSB the majority of motorcycle fatalities are on bikes most would describe as cruisers. The riders tended to be around 40.
Yeah, it surprised me, too. I would have guessed kids on sport bikes.
I'm guessing alcohol was the deciding factor.
because every Harley is a cruiser and look at the sheer numbers of them out on the roads
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FWIW, according to the NTSB the majority of motorcycle fatalities are on bikes most would describe as cruisers. The riders tended to be around 40.
Yeah, it surprised me, too. I would have guessed kids on sport bikes.
I'm guessing alcohol was the deciding factor.
You're not taking demographics not account. The average age of motorcyclist is early 40s. The fastest growing demographic for 1st time rider is also early 40s. I don't know what the most popular style bike is but would guess cruiser.
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FWIW, according to the NTSB the majority of motorcycle fatalities are on bikes most would describe as cruisers. The riders tended to be around 40.
Yeah, it surprised me, too. I would have guessed kids on sport bikes.
I'm guessing alcohol was the deciding factor.
You're not taking demographics not account. The average age of motorcyclist is early 40s. The fastest growing demographic for 1st time rider is also early 40s. I don't know what the most popular style bike is but would guess cruiser.
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FWIW, according to the NTSB the majority of motorcycle fatalities are on bikes most would describe as cruisers. The riders tended to be around 40.
Yeah, it surprised me, too. I would have guessed kids on sport bikes.
I'm guessing alcohol was the deciding factor.
because every Harley is a cruiser and look at the sheer numbers of them out on the roads
Not to mention the percentage of those in mid life crisis who never rode a bike before but had to have that land yacht.
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Will anyone argue that their hearing, peripheral vision, the hair on the back of your neck, and just your overall senses are ENHANCED by wearing a helmet!?? I hope not, or your just spewing crap.
Let's see, deaf in one ear, can't hear in the other; Always seeing things moving around even with my eyes shut (floaters  ); shave the back of my neck............
Actually, I hear better with the full face helmet as it's much quieter than an 80mph wind blowing over both ears. Vision is not impaired with the wide opening, and that "sixth sense" is only hampered by wearing your tinfoil hat with the shiny side in.
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Come on Bill, I have yet to see a full face that allows the range of vision that no helmet allows and the wind vs. helmet hearing level is arguable. I would say the full face allows better hearing than the 1/2 helmet I used to wear. The wind whipping through those wear flaps is deafening.
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Not gonna have the peripheral vision as something you may not hear comes up along side you. Once your peripheral vision catches it then you turn your head.
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Still have to be looking in them, peripheral vision is always active.
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I always turn my head and look even when I'm sure it's clear. Just a habit I carried with me. I think I picked it up in flight school but I've been doing it so long I really don't remember. I've never regretted turning and looking.
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Come on Bill, I have yet to see a full face that allows the range of vision that no helmet allows and the wind vs. helmet hearing level is arguable. I would say the full face allows better hearing than the 1/2 helmet I used to wear. The wind whipping through those wear flaps is deafening.
The average human has about 180 degrees of visibility, my flip face helmet allows for at least 220 degrees from my eye position wearing the helmet or about 20 degrees beyond the limits of the average human eyeball both left and right. Admittedly the up and down vision is a little more restricted but then, threats usually don't come from the fuel tank or the sky.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Come on Bill, I have yet to see a full face that allows the range of vision that no helmet allows and the wind vs. helmet hearing level is arguable. I would say the full face allows better hearing than the 1/2 helmet I used to wear. The wind whipping through those wear flaps is deafening.
The average human has about 180 degrees of visibility, my flip face helmet allows for at least 220 degrees from my eye position wearing the helmet or about 20 degrees beyond the limits of the average human eyeball both left and right. Admittedly the up and down vision is a little more restricted but then, threats usually don't come from the fuel tank or the sky.
Same here on the peripheral vision.
Statistically, most threats to motorcycles come from in front or from behind.
If danger is coming at you from the limits of your peripheral vision (like a deer!) it's probably too late to do anything about it anyway.
In any event, when you're riding you need to have 360 degree awareness.
The eyes in the back of my head have x-ray vision and see right through my helmet. 
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FWIW, according to the NTSB the majority of motorcycle fatalities are on bikes most would describe as cruisers. The riders tended to be around 40.
Yeah, it surprised me, too. I would have guessed kids on sport bikes.
I'm guessing alcohol was the deciding factor.
because every Harley is a cruiser and look at the sheer numbers of them out on the roads
Not to mention the percentage of those in mid life crisis who never rode a bike before but had to have that land yacht.
Not to mention also those newbies in their 40s, having never riden a bike, take the one or two day safety class, and now have just enough knowledge, skill, and confidence to get themself killed.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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By the way I think its lovely that you all care for each other so much that you will argue the virtures of your own preferences, in attempt to impose your will on you your fellows. So freedom dies with loving reguard for the well being of your neighbor.
(I'm reminded of a Hank sr. song.)
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Its a pendulum not a clock, that of which I speak.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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So... Your (NOT you personally, but everybody) are a complete ASS if your go for a ride in a cage WITHOUT a complete roll cage, full restraint harness, fire suppression system, AND... ATGATT!
That would frikkin ROCK...cause I usually find half a dozen or more people I would LOVE to "put into the wall" or "get loose" in order to pass them, when I'm in my truck!
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So... Your (NOT you personally, but everybody) are a complete ASS if your go for a ride in a cage WITHOUT a complete roll cage, full restraint harness, fire suppression system, AND... ATGATT!
That would frikkin ROCK...cause I usually find half a dozen or more people I would LOVE to "put into the wall" or "get loose" in order to pass them, when I'm in my truck!
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By the way I think its lovely that you all care for each other so much that you will argue the virtures of your own preferences, in attempt to impose your will on you your fellows. So freedom dies with loving reguard for the well being of your neighbor.
(I'm reminded of a Hank sr. song.)
Well Chad, if you'd replace that one dependent prepositional phrase of yours up there which I've taken the liberty to place in bold print, and then REPLACE it with, "to impart fact-based knowledge", THEN I'd agreed with your assessment there!
HOWEVER, regarding your second sentence, I'd say your supposition here isn't at all pertinent, due primarily to the fact that there has NOT been ONE person YET who in this thread has offered up the opinion that YOUR choice should ever be taken away from you, either by legislative fiat nor by any other method.
Nope. We who strongly ADVISE that our fellow riders wear some measure of protective gear JUST think riders who don't are just foolin' themselves and are most often just over-rationalizing their choice...THAT'S all!
(...and now I'M thinkin' of a Marshal Tucker Band song after THAT!)
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I was going for a bit of hyperbole there sir, to make the greater point. The heated nature of many statements of this thread is the begining of such imposition.
You know yourself sir, that the information discussed here helped to influence a decision that I made myself, and that I am not opposed to debate, and discussion, or enlightenment.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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