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Coming back from lunch, a lady I work with asks me if it isn't too hot to be wearing my motorcycle jacket (mid 90's). I told her that I preferred a little sweat to a skin graft. At this point she gets huffy and tells me 'I'm a Harley babe, we just wear T-shirts when we ride' before turning her back and walking away. So now I am left considering if maybe that Black dye Harley uses on it's Tshirts has some teflon like properties that allows a down rider to just slide accross the pavement without any abrasions. That might explain why they are so darn overpriced to begin with! 
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Who needs a jacket standing by the roadside waiting for AAA?
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Who needs a jacket standing by the roadside waiting for AAA?
It would be rather hot in that situation 
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I had a similar conversation a few years ago with a cute young thing wearing a halter top, short shorts and a sandals on the back of a Harley. I told her that if I should go down I'd prefer that the skin left behind had originally come from a cow. During our short conversation I suggested she google "road rash girl."
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I was riding one day with a couple of buddies with harleys, and we were all wearing helmets. We stopped at a gas station, and this yocal popped out of a pickup truck, and said "helmets? Ain't no helmets on a harley!" We looked at him and laughed, said "WHAT?!" and he repeated, "you can't wear a helmet on a harley!" When we asked why not he just repeated his mantra. It's been a running joke between us for a couple years now. 
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Funny, but ya just can't reason with somebody who is that "cool". I've had the same criticism of my leather jacket on hot days for years. If I had room in my wallet, it would be educational to carry a still shot of that "road rash girl" in my wallet so I could whip it out at the appropriated moment in the conversation. (And yeah, Dave, I know. If I wasn't so darn old and out of touch, I could show it on my cool phone I don't want!) (Man, more and more I hear Dave, about 6 inches high, on my shoulder whispering about the benefits of technology in my ear. Should I get help?) 
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well, I'll help you pick out a new phone if that's what you want
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(And yeah, Dave, I know. If I wasn't so darn old and out of touch, I could show it on my cool phone I don't want!)
Maybe just out of touch 
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At this point she gets huffy and tells me 'I'm a Harley babe, we just wear T-shirts when we ride' before turning her back and walking away.
I'm sure she was using the phrase "Harley Babe" rather liberally. Most of the Harley "babes" I see don't need to worry about wearing a jacket because they've got plenty of padding to cushion the fall if they go down and lots of extra skin. 
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Pass these along. This from a couple of weeks ago. link Then or course there is Brittany.
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Seen all the pix, been riding in a Tshirt for over 30 years and no helmet when ever in a state that allowed freedom of choice.
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Problem is, its never a problem until its a problem, and when its a problem its usually "ya i really should have worn my jacket or helmet"
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Here's a thought. Every argument you can come up with in favour of riding with all the gear can equally be applied to driving a car instead of riding a bike. We assume a certain degree of risk because we like to ride. If some wish to assume slightly more risk for a more enjoyable ride then that is their choice. I just like to make sure it is an informed choice.
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Here's a thought. Every argument you can come up with in favour of riding with all the gear can equally be applied to driving a car and fastening your seat belt instead of riding a bike. We assume a certain degree of risk because we like to ride. If some wish to assume slightly more risk for a more enjoyable ride then that is their choice. I just like to make sure it is an informed choice.
Just thought I'd help a bit by adding that qualifier in bold up there, Jim!
Ya see, I kinda figure I'm "assuming a little less risk" of injury whenever I fasten MY seat belt whenever I'm cagin' it, 'cause ya see, I "choose" NOT to be potentially thrown around inside my cage, or worse YET, thrown out from my cage if the worst happens out there on the road.
(...and trust me, the worst DOES occasionaly happen out there on the road, as you may know!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Here's a thought. Every argument you can come up with in favour of riding with all the gear can equally be applied to driving a car instead of riding a bike. We assume a certain degree of risk because we like to ride. If some wish to assume slightly more risk for a more enjoyable ride then that is their choice. I just like to make sure it is an informed choice.
I don't disagree, but honestly i look at it this way. I CHOOSE to ride a bike, and i am aware of the additional risk it places me in, but heres the kicker, i have a wife, children, friends etc that all count on me, and although they understand the risks and appreciate my love for riding bikes, it would be very selfish of me and very unfair to those around me to do so without at least mitigating the risk to its lowest common denomenator. Thise that do might neede to re-evaluate their priorities. Only my opinion of course.
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This is the new "wear your seat belt" ad the UK is doing - started by some guy not hired to do it, but because the cause is important to him. He came up with this idea, and now it's being hailed across the world as a "beautiful" commercial. The video has become so popular with the general public that people are forwarding it to friends/family on their own so quickly that it has spread all over the world in a very short time No bad ending just makes you think of your loved ones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-8PBx7isoMatb geoff
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Wow. That is a very potent ad! It kind of puts things in perspective.
"Catching a yellow jacket in your shirt at seventy miles per hour can double your vocabulary" Author unknown
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Problem is, its never a problem until its a problem, and when its a problem its usually "ya i really should have worn my jacket or helmet"
...or as we like to say, it's all fun and games until someone goes bouncing down the road.
ATGATT.
I don't care if you've been riding for 100 years.
And it has nothing to do with what the state requires or not.
Only a moron would ride a motorcycle without a helmet and protective gear.
And yes, I DO mean you.
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Only a moron would ride a motorcycle without a helmet and protective gear.
And yes, I DO mean you.
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Many years and thousands of EMS calls later and it never ceased to amaze me the number of people that required a law to tell them not to be idiots.
I took consolation in the fact that they provided job security for those in the medical and funeral business.
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Seatbelt and helmet can both cause injury where none would occur without, all depends on the circumstances of the accident. I had a friend who was almost killed wearing a seatbelt because they landed upside down in a creek and he couldn't get out and almost drowned. A helmet can cause severe neck and back trauma due to the inertia. An average helmet at 35mph works out to having about 400lbs on your head. (don't remember the number exactly but that's close) Because I choose to be free and make my life more enjoyable to me does not make me any more an idiot than it does you choosing to wear gear. It is a choice. Those of you who smoke are all idiots to me since that causes certain damage where not wearing a helmet only opens me to possible damage, who is the bigger idiot? I have been riding over 30 years not wearing gear and my health has not declined because of it. I can apply that to drinkers as well and liver damage etc... we all make choice that may possibly put our health at risk. I would rather crash and die than crash and be crippled but would rather not crash at all. I think motorcycles should be outlawed since they put us at risk. We must all be idiots for even considering to get on one.
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Although I have been wearing a helmet as of late, I agree with Ian here. We have to be allowed to make our own decisions, and be responsible for said decisions. Its each persons own choice to make and I respect that. Too bad many people don't. If some one comes off at me about my helmet, its easy for me to respond to them................... Mind ya own business. This is America I do as I want (insert expletive insult to fascist trying to force their ideas on me).
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Seatbelt and helmet can both cause injury where none would occur without, all depends on the circumstances of the accident. I had a friend who was almost killed wearing a seatbelt because they landed upside down in a creek and he couldn't get out and almost drowned. A helmet can cause severe neck and back trauma due to the inertia. An average helmet at 35mph works out to having about 400lbs on your head. (don't remember the number exactly but that's close) Because I choose to be free and make my life more enjoyable to me does not make me any more an idiot than it does you choosing to wear gear. It is a choice. Those of you who smoke are all idiots to me since that causes certain damage where not wearing a helmet only opens me to possible damage, who is the bigger idiot? I have been riding over 30 years not wearing gear and my health has not declined because of it. I can apply that to drinkers as well and liver damage etc... we all make choice that may possibly put our health at risk. I would rather crash and die than crash and be crippled but would rather not crash at all. I think motorcycles should be outlawed since they put us at risk. We must all be idiots for even considering to get on one.
Ah,yes, the old urban myths. Drop by your local ER. Those stories are always good for a laugh and a head shake among the people that do this stuff for a living.
BTW, your friend would most likely have died on impact if he "landed upside down". Lucky he had that seat belt on.
You probably won't die, by the way. Statistically, you're far more likely to suffer traumatic brain injury and live in a persistent vegetative state (or exist somewhere along the TBI continuum) than to die. You're just more like to die than someone wearing a helmet.
Suit yourself.
As a provider and a user of the American health care system, though, I'm assuming you have set aside the extra $125,000 or so that insurance isn't gonna cover in health care and rehab costs (you do have really great insurance, right?). Otherwise the rest of us are gonna have to pick up the check...yet again.
If you smoke, too, I my need to go ahead and start another savings account for my share.
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Got the story from a doctor in person who does that stuff for a living, so myth my ass.
Rolled 2 vehicles one landed upside down and I wasn't hurt and neither was the passenger neither wearing belts so again your rebuttal doesn't hold water.
I do not drink or smoke both I consider far more idiotic to start or do.
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Come right down to it got it from 2 doctors and an EMT, the EMT was the guy that landed upside down in his truck.
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Here's the thing. That's all fine, well, and good in casual conversation, but when you throw that seat belt BS out to someone who works with trauma injuries and TBI it sounds no different to them as someone coming on here and saying they could re-jet their bike and get 400hp and 200mpg.
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I'm just glad I have the freedom to choose when and where to wear the gear. Unfortunately, I don't have that same right regarding a seatbelt.
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oh boy where is FJ when we need him, right now he is up there going, ok guys settle down or out will come the hammer :-)
We will just agree to disagree, i just would hate to read about any of you guys/gals in here getting hurt "just because" thats all.
Ride safe, shiny side up, and smile :-)
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No argument just difference in opinion although I don't like being called a liar but I overlooked that.
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Quote "I think motorcycles should be outlawed since they put us at risk. We must all be idiots for even considering to get on one." +1 ! If you REALLY love your loved ones, DON'T RIDE ! That's the SAFEST way, ask ANY EMT !
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No argument just difference in opinion although I don't like being called a liar but I overlooked that.
Not my intent. I apologize. Ride however you choose.
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I rode when my wife and I got hitched, once kids were involved we made a deal that I wouldn't ride until they were grown up and independant. I was willing to do it because I didn't like the extra risk while I had people dependant on me. Now that they are grown and out of the house, the wife just wants to make sure I keep the life insurance up to date so "if the worst happens to my dumbass she can move somewhere warm and hire a pool boy" (her words..) 
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No argument just difference in opinion although I don't like being called a liar but I overlooked that.
Not my intent. Ride however you choose.
+++111 !!! I couldn't agree more!
Just "for the record", I've ALWAYS INSISTED that my sons wear one, and as of about a month ago, that goes for my wife and myself, JUST out of respect for the family.
But I agree with BOTH views! 
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oh boy where is FJ when we need him, right now he is up there going, ok guys settle down or out will come the hammer :-)
We will just agree to disagree, i just would hate to read about any of you guys/gals in here getting hurt "just because" thats all.
Ride safe, shiny side up, and smile :-)
Not to sound like an ass BUT I bet FJ was wearing ALL his gear and see how that turned out! 
It's all your choice that's ALL that matters to me !! Sorry if it was too soon to bring up FJ but guess if it's your time it's your time sure you can try to limit the chances of it happening ! But if your living YOUR life the way you want GO FOR IT !!
Are we there YET? I gotta go pee!!
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Wearing a helmet & protective gear, or a seatbelt in a cage still doesn't stop stupid people from doing stupid $h!t in vehicles, or prevent the potential outcomes of their stupidity.  Fer instance, yesterday riding home from work (in helmet & jacket [@93 deg. heat]), a little red Neon jumped out from behind a KCTA bus to pass (in a no passing/school zone)into my lane w/ only 150 or so feet between us. I was clocking along @ 35-40mph & had nowhere to go to escape certain head on disaster. I hit the brakes hard and steered as far as could to the RH side of the road and came to a stop as the Neon swerved by & barely missed clipping me by maybe a foot or less. I rest my case!
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Proper gear and a helmet do not guarantee you will survive a crash. Wearing a seatbelt does not guarantee you survive a crash. There are no guarantees in life. But seatbelts as well as proper gear and a helmet significantly increase your chances surviving a serious crash. There is no argument that can successfully be made against that fact. It has been statistically proven over and over again. Even the organizations that argue against mandatory helmet laws generally do not dispute that fact, but instead base their arguments on personal freedom, choice and acceptance of risk.
I agree with that argument. We have too much government and too many laws as it is. If someone wants to put their own life at risk, they should have that right. I don’t think a helmet law should be imposed on riders over the age of 21. Let people make their own choices. It’s better for society as a whole in the long run.
That being said, I can say from personal knowledge that helmets do save lives. My brother used to ride, and hit a tree one night. He fractured his skull, collarbone, wrist, several ribs and his leg. He spent a week in intensive care and a total of 49 days in Strong Memorial Hospital. I clearly remember the Dr saying that without that helmet (which actually cracked in the crash) there was zero chance he would have survived. I always wear full gear when I ride, and always will.
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Proper gear and a helmet do not guarantee you will survive a crash. Wearing a seatbelt does not guarantee you survive a crash. There are no guarantees in life. But seatbelts as well as proper gear and a helmet significantly increase your chances surviving a serious crash. There is no argument that can successfully be made against that fact. It has been statistically proven over and over again. Even the organizations that argue against mandatory helmet laws generally do not dispute that fact, but instead base their arguments on personal freedom, choice and acceptance of risk.
I agree with that argument. We have too much government and too many laws as it is. If someone wants to put their own life at risk, they should have that right. I don’t think a helmet law should be imposed on riders over the age of 21. Let people make their own choices. It’s better for society as a whole in the long run.
That being said, I can say from personal knowledge that helmets do save lives. My brother used to ride, and hit a tree one night. He fractured his skull, collarbone, wrist, several ribs and his leg. He spent a week in intensive care and a total of 49 days in Strong Memorial Hospital. I clearly remember the Dr saying that without that helmet (which actually cracked in the crash) there was zero chance he would have survived. I always wear full gear when I ride, and always will.
As with a number of things in life, the rest of us pick up the tab for those who choose the 'freedom' to do 'less than wise' things. Even if you have great insurance, it's not covering the tab for the documented increase in head injuries in states where people are given the 'freedom' to choose whether or not they will use good judgement.
From the extensive experience my wife has working with health insurance (she is a surgical case manager as well as the owner of 2 motorcycles) the irony is, those who most often choose not to use appropriate safety equipment are also those who are most likely to not have health insurance. The rest of us pick up the tab for their 'freedom'.
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oh boy where is FJ when we need him, right now he is up there going, ok guys settle down or out will come the hammer :-)
We will just agree to disagree, i just would hate to read about any of you guys/gals in here getting hurt "just because" thats all.
Ride safe, shiny side up, and smile :-)
Not to sound like an ass BUT I bet FJ was wearing ALL his gear and see how that turned out!
It's all your choice that's ALL that matters to me !! Sorry if it was too soon to bring up FJ but guess if it's your time it's your time sure you can try to limit the chances of it happening ! But if your living YOUR life the way you want GO FOR IT !!
Ya know I thought about going there but thought it would be in bad taste. Not making any judgement just saying I thought about that too.
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Well-put all around Smokey.
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...But I agree with BOTH views!
Hey erle! What?! Are you runnin' for Congress or somethin'???
Well, if ya ARE, then you're goin' about it all wrong here, dude!
(...uh huh...'cause NOWADAYS if you're runnin' for office, you've gotta be "boldly" for ONE extreme or the OTHER, ya know...these sorta fence-sitting compromised stances here will get ya NOWHERE anymore!!!)
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Re: Too Hot !?
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Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,146
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Joined: Feb 2011
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Got an old friend, Harley guy. We go back 40 years. He moved to a state without a helmet law and went with the flow. Whenever I'd visit he'd give me crap about wearing one. All the same arguments about 'you're just trading one injury for another...blah...blah...blah'.
He staunchly stood his ground about how he was just as safe without a helmet...until his daughter was born. Apparently, the laws of physics changed at that point because he never rode without one from that point on.
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