Bonneville America Forums Forums Off Topic Discussion Forums Lounge Time to Quit GMOs

Think smoking is bad? I loved Craven "A"s and Rothmans back in the eighties with authentic cubano espresso myself. Then mountain biking got in the way of my tobacco, sort of. edmspeedmaster's thread pretty much nails the argument against smoking. I would add that the taste bud epiphany-effect is a bonus not to be overlooked.

A new 50 year threat is among us. GMOs. Genetically Modified Organisms.

"According to a new study, low doses of the Bt biopesticide CryA1b, and the glyphosate-based herbicide Roundup, kill human kidney cells. Glyphosate at 57.2 parts per million -- 200 times below agricultural use – killed half the cells."

Yep, the Bt strains of biopesticides are genetically engineered into our crops. Right now we have 8 crops. Corn, Soybeans, Canola, Cottonseed, Sugar Beets, Hawaiian Papaya, and to a lesser extent and my dismay: Zucchini, and Yellow Squash. To further complicate things, our livestock is fed these GMO crops. Heck the cows have rbGH or rbST. Rules of thumb exist about what to look for in these brave new world supermarkets. The simplest is don't purchase anything from a supermarket that is not located on the exterior walls. Perimeter shopping. Then we get into reading labels. I'll leave it to those that care about GMOs to do their own research. (Boring stuff really) Boring? well when taken in light of the horrors of cigarette smoking, can thoughts of brain formaldehyde (aspartame) be boring?

1999 found the Europeans tipping the scales in favor of banning GMO crops due to media reporting the risks of GM foods. I have read tons about the risks on our domestic news networks: Not.

What can be done? Much on the order of smoking cessation, changing dietary habits are difficult. Take small steps. Read these two guides.

Non-GMO Shopping Guide

NON-GMO Shopping Tips

Been aware of GMOs and Monsanto for a long time now and have steered away with EVERYTHING I eat. My choice helps me, helps the planet and future generations. It's time to turn this food thing around and protest by means of refusal.

Btw... did you know Monsanto bought Blackwater? Why would a food company need a private army, I wonder. Hmmmm!

Agent Orange was Monsanto. They have made money on war for decades now. Just like DuPont. Chemical companies make chemicals and the defense industry pays big for them.

They don't own Blackwater though. They own a lot of stuff, I may be wrong.

GMOs help to feed a starving world. Chemicals that have been banned because of fear can have a reverse effect. Malaria was all but gone thanks to DDT. Now, it is making a comeback. Agent Orange was a mixing error, (Round Up) works very well. Again Monsanto became the evil monster that killed our troops.

Remember the miracle of Asbestos? Won't wear out, won't burn , mold into any shape, insulate with it, etc. etc. Mistakes will happen.

If we had to study things for 50 years before we used them they would be obsolete before production could begin.

There are those that need a few acres, a horse and some hand tools. Everything else is way too dangerous to handle. All natural farming in the 21st century cannot produce enough to feed the world.

I choose the science. I am glad the foods are enhanced. I am glad they generally don't have all natural e coli in them etc. I am very happy we can produce 30% more per acre of certain crops to ensure people eat.

This is a like a Global warming discussion though. There is no consensus of science on it to my knowledge.

There is probably no one living in America today that hasn't grown up on GM food stuffs. Science have been GMing for a couple 100 years in one way or the other.

Saxtron is right advances in food production has saved millions of lives, lives that have been at a higher standard of living than their ancestors.

On the other hand a book not based on science got DDT banned
We in the USA don't have a Malaria problem because of DDT, we had a sever problem before DDT. Southern Europe did too and reports are that it is coming back. Will they use DDT, it's banned. Will they use the "sustainable" method we have forced on Africa, mosquito nets at night. Western enlightenment has condemned millions in Africa.

No risk equals no progress or freedom.

Seen a documentary on Monsanto. Theres something wrong with being able to patent a soybean and put people in jail for keeping the seeds from those plants.

I stand corrected, I was thinking hybrids.

But Bhopal?, that was a manufacturing accident, a rupture gas holding tank.

One must consider that a lot of this banning of GM food has to do with internal economic interest of the banning country. Many of the studies against GM seems to be proven lacking in control. Many involved in the debate seem to really think that there is already enough food being produced world wide to produce optimal population sustainability. I love that word, sustainability, it usually means no progress or worse.

Note that ISIS is controlled by 2 people and if you want to actually read the above lined study you have to pay for it. Sort of like if you want to plant Monsanto's seed you have to pay for it.

I guess we will know in 50 years. You folks have every right to be vigilant in what you eat and vote with your wallet.

I dunno...maybe it's me just being the old tightwad in these tough economic times, tryin to save a buck where I can ya know. Maybe I notice a difference in taste and definiately nutritional value from store bought vegtables...

But I've gotten into veggie gardening, totally organic...with non-hybrib/ non GMO seeds in the last couple of years. Saved my self a ton of cash on fresh veggies from the market just by puttin in a little sweat and growing my own.
Phineas Freak was right...when times get tough grow yer own! GMO's have got to go since the nutritional / dietary effects on the human physiology are so questionable!

There's so much FUD in this thread I don't know where to start so I won't. If you're that worried, grow your own food.

No doubt, growing one's own food or hunting for meat has a prideful and redemptive quality, like wrenching on one's own bike. But, in an advanced society, crop failure or being a bad shot doesn't mean starvation, we got back up.

I have a garden, I grow tomato's, to eat with BACON! That ton of Bacon we eat at my house most likely does more harm to my body than GMO foods could ever accomplish.

It's all natural. Some would say vegan.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FUD

I actually thought it was some sort of acronym involving vulgarity until you enlightened me. This site is so fudding educational.

Sorry, I am the result of the public school system and watching hundreds of hours of the "Three Stooges" when I was young.

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choosing what we eat is still our choice...at least for now.

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Sure hope it stays that way.

I suppose I should quit smoking, drinking, maste... (well, let's skip that one), GMO's, sat.fat, soda, etc.

No, on second thought, if I can survive breathing the air, I should be able to survive the rest.

If I pass ten years earlier into my Alzheimer's phase, that will be ok.

Um, that third one you were gonna say is essential for prostate health.

Just sayin...

Unfortunately it is not only GMO issues but chemical issues as well. there are no safe alternative sweeteners. Seem to love this word: Insidious. The very sweeteners that exist to solve the weight problem actually increase one's craving for carbohydrates. Sugar is better for us, just make sure it is cane sugar not beet sugar as sugar beets are GMO crops.


"Aspartame Is, by Far, the Most Dangerous Substance on the Market That is Added to Foods It hides behind brand names such as NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, and Equal-Measure, but its makers cannot mask the fact that it accounts for 75 percent of the adverse reactions to food additives reported to the FDA."

I agree with you on Aspartame. They got it into the food supply with research on specific foods. They never did an in depth study on what it did when dissolved into solution like coffee, Ice Tea etc. That stuff scares me a little. And its in everything!

I've gone back to sugar and milk with my coffee, used to use aspartame and then splenda, but sugar is fine. And I have to laugh at all of the fat free foods and artificial sweeteners in our foods in this country, which is rather ironic given all of the overweight people in America and the booming dental industry. When I used to go to Germany a few years back all of the time, the food was made with whole cremes, sugar, etc.... the way it used to be here 40 years ago or so, and very few overweight people. Granted, a LOT of people get out and walk places, are active, bicycle, drink wheat beers, bicycle, drink pilsner beers, walk, drink bock beers, and so on, so maybe that's it. Lots of excercise and "stuff"....

There`s a direct correlation between Aspartame (also known as Spenda, NutraSweet, Equal, Benevia, etc) consumption and weight GAIN. It`s a serious poison.

There is an even larger direct correlation between over eating and weight gain. By over eating I mean sugars and carbohydrates.

Keith, I think Splenda is a different sweetener than Aspartame, and is made from Sucralose, Maltodextrin and dextrose. Not saying it's any better, but it does not contain aspartame. Funny thing when reading about this is how insignificant these sweeteners are when it comes to reducing caloric intake. Something on the order of 3-6 calories reduction for 10 grams of this stuff versus the same weight of sugar.

Everyone needs to do their own research.

I’ve been studying this subject (Food, nutrition ,exercise, hormones) for 2 years. I made major dietary changes 18 months ago and added simple exercise into my day. The day before I embarked on this journey of changes I had a Physical exam done with a full blood work up. I won’t bore you with numbers, but all data points were well in the ‘negative’ health impact end of the scale.

Jan 1 2011 I cleaned up my food. Eating organic when I can, search out nutritionally dense in season fruits, nuts, beans, and vegetables, minimize red meat intake and choose organic meats when able. Stay away from sugar as much as possible, and avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague. Eat 3 meals a day and snack on healthy food.

Just last week I had a blood work up done. ALL data points are now well in the normal and safe range. Several data sets are actually in the ‘positive’ health impact range. Blood pressure 108/68 and resting heart rate of 45.

To me most interestingly is the following factoids:
1: I have not had a cold or the flu since January 2011.
2: I used to have wicked spring allergies. We are in full bloom here. Grass, tree, weed pollen moderate to high. Not one sniffle, sneeze. Not once have I needed to take an allergy pill.
3: I sleep better, and through the entire night.

The most significant changes I’ve made have been dietary. I’m am completely convinced there is something wrong with the food supplied by the institutional food system in this country. Maybe not all of it, but way to much of it. Our country is dying an obese diabetics death, and it’s directly related to the food system in this country which is bastardizing its genetic makeup via GMO’s and poisoning it with pesticides, preventives, and artificial sweeteners. You can’t research this stuff and come to any other conclusion. Everyone owes it to themselves to look into this stuff.

Forget about counting on the ‘Government’ or some ‘agency’ to assure and protect your ‘food’ supply. We are on our own.

Did I say to much? Was that my inside voice?

Where can I put this soap box? I'm done now.

Important distinction to make. GM in itself isn’t bad or good, it’s just a way to modified food genetically rather than other conventional way like we’re used to. Nobodies complaining about seedless oranges and grapes or crossed breathing fruits, dogs and humans. It is how we use these technics that makes it right or wrong.
To introduce harmful chemicals through GM process makes the people behind the decision wrong, not the process.
If a guy gets drunk, rides his Triumph and kill someone in the process, that doesn't make riding Triumph a bad thing.
I use peacefully the same technologies everyday that others uses to harm others. GM is not bad or good.
Just like the great invention of a screw driver to help fix your bike, or to punch it in the ignition to steal your bike. Ah! Now I get your attention.

Gee and i use splenda myself thinking it was better for me. You guys seem to be really on top of this stuff, i frankly do not have the aptitude nor the patience (ADD LOL ) to seek out everything , although i appreciate it is my responsibility to do so. But who do you beleive anymore? How much is for gain versus risk these days, what else are we not being told! Frankly i think we are all just selfish to some extent, we want more, we want it now, we want to live longer, we want it cheaper and on and on and on. Hmmm, sort of makes one think, shag it! just do what ever and when its done its done.... no need to worry about it then right? MEDIC!!!!!

Exactly!
All the stress from deciphering which foods to eat, and worrying which ones to stay away from, will certainly kill you.