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I would stick with the PC myself, friend of mine has a MAC had it for a little but something went wrong and has been waiting for it back for months now! I spnet i think 800 on a laptop i bought a ASUS , fast , windows 7 is one of the more relaiable platforms out for a very long time and it works great.
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Back in the day all school systems used Macs, mostly because Apple had the wisdom to cut them sweetheart deals. The idea was to get kids early and make them Mac users.
Now, almost no school systems use them. There are still a few around but the labs are almost exclusively PC. Apple still has the great deals for schools. It's just that now Windows is just as easy to learn and just as reliable. The biggest reason though is once the kids walk out those doors, the rest of the world is using PC's. In the real world there just aren't many places where Macs are used.
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Nah, In my little world, almost everyone I know is using Macs.
I've been working with macs since 1987, and it's kinda like a Canon / Nikon thing for cameras.
Once you get hooked on either, it will be difficult to try to understand the other side.
I've been a Mac user for so long, PCs feel like alien software to me. I've been a Canon guy for so long, I don't understand Nikon's approach to setting up a camera.
It's not impossible to switch, it's just hard. Especially when both get the job done.
For many of the "switches" I saw, I guess it's mostly that a lot of us have been "forced" (job requirements, peer pressure, ...) to use one system, when the other system appealed more to our way of thinking. When that pressure is released, we usually go for what feels comfortable, whether it's PC or Mac.
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This last year I bought an HP 14" Envy laptop running Windows 7. A comparable Apple laptop would have run about $300 more. The difference between the two is that the Apple is easier to use and configure. The Apple also comes with a lot more software installed. I do think you get what you pay for.
We have Dell laptops for work, and they are very frustrating to use, which isn't necessarily Dells fault. My company does something to these machines to make them more secure, but ultimately less usable.
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Well, I guess what we've learned is that people have had good and bad experiences with both types of machines. Same goes for Macs and PCs. 
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Mac PricingPC pricesI think Perceval is right. Its whatever you learned on or feel more 2nd nature on that works for you. So if price is not the object its about what you want. In the area of Apple. I really like my Iphone!
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well this sure has been fun.
i guess the thing to do now is
sidle up to the macbook pro at
the apple store and go to a big box
to mess around with a few windows
based units and see which floats my
techno-soul the most.
i am intrigued by the garage band program.
that is my 1st draw to the macbook -- since
some of you were curious as to what i wanted
to do with said laptop.
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btw, i do have a very adept computer
guru who works on both mac and pc.
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Well, the survey says...go with what you can afford that meets your needs the best.
I will give another plug for linux, though. If your needs don't require proprietary software, than loading linux on your pc will speed it up to the point that you will think you bought a new box. There a lot of open source apps out there that work with, and are written for linux. I expect a lot of you on this forum who get technical with your bikes, wouldn't have any problem with this os.
Nuff said.
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i am intrigued by the garage band program.
that is my 1st draw to the macbook -- since
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to do with said laptop.
Now we are getting somewhere! 
Which instrument are you looking to play with GarageBand? It's true that GarageBand is free, and quite powerful for a free software. If you ever get more serious about recording and tweaking to the limit, then Logic (or any other big boys DAW software) will be needed.
The nice thing about Macs is that there are no driver issues most of the time. The Core programming is fast enough for the amateur music engineer, there are rigs to connect you guitar or bass to the line input, MIDI to USB for keyboards or drums, etc....
On the PC side, if you go there, the best audio drivers are Asio. Reaper is (almost) free, meaning it's in trial mode ... forever.
If you share some more info about what you want to do, then we can help you get the best you can get.
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I'm always curious when someone says PCs are 'unstable'. I haven't had any of my PCs crash in over a decade. When I was a full time Mac user (G3) it was anything but stable (the main reason I moved on).
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Well, if we are going that far back (a G3), I could say that I had only headaches and countless re-installs on XP!
One of the nicest computer ever is a G3, thought. The PowerBook Pismo is still a workhorse for many out there, and it was introduced in 1999/2000. Sports one of the greatest keyboard any laptop ever had, never got warm, crisp lcd (for the time, of course in 2012, it's obsolete) and with options to either carry 2 batteries or 2 hard drives or one HD plus CD/DVD.
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I know of tons of organizations that are still running XP Professional on their networks trouble free, which was my experience as well. I've moved on to Windows 7 but my experience with a PC running XP was a huge upgrade from a G3 running OSX. It wouldn't work with any peripherals without an Apple logo, it was murder to connect to a non-Apple server, and it locked up if I opened more than 2 programs simultaneously.
It made for a nice little music player, the screen was very nice, and I went through 3 chargers in a year. When, a year in, I had to wiggle the hinge on the back to get the screen to come on, I had enough of the hardware and operating system.
I'd use one again to display photos or arrange music but I'd never trust important work to the fruit again.
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It sounds like your G3 was a laptop. That would have been early days for laptops and they were all very problematic in those days regardless of brand weren't they?
It was only with the introduction of solid state HDs that I have made the shift to laptops.
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It wouldn't work with any peripherals without an Apple logo, it was murder to connect to a non-Apple server ...
I never had any problems connecting to non-Apple peripherals and we used many and varied brands of peripherals in over twenty years of graphic design working with large files.
The PC server was an issue but the problem of networking Mac clients to PC server lay more at the feet of the PC. On the other hand, a Mac server handled PC clients just fine.
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I wish I had kept track of all the windows machines I resurrected with my PowerBook. No matter how infected their machines would get I could always yank the hard drive and save those crucial pictures, music and email files. That said, those users were at fault, not windows directly, mostly by visiting malware sites or downloading adware/crapware.
We're really talking oranges and apples here, Microsoft doesn't make Windows computers so they just can't be as tightly integrated as Apple is since Apple controls the whole process. That gives Windows great scale for economy, while Apple is about package design and it shows. Used appropriately both platforms give great service, I use both on a daily basis at work but the malware problem has me preferring Mac most of the time.
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When it comes to personal computing Apple is merely a boutique brand, mostly popular with artists, hipsters and those afraid of technology (my JBWS client who is a yoga instructor is a perfect example of the latter--she freely admits it).
Where Apple kicked ass was the mobile market. The iPod saved them. The iPhone made them. Without Steve Jobs we'll see if they continue to innovate or if their products will be merely derivative going forward. It's happened before. People are already whining about how "not special" the iPad 3 is, that it's merely derivative and brings nothing new to the table. That's the trouble with having products people get addicted to like crack, if you don't keep upping the ante they turn on you just like any other junkie.
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I gotta go with Oldroadie here. While I prefer the Mac, my PCs have given good service as long as I don't use them on the net. I've had major, and expensive, problems with malware and hostageware on PC's that were used for more than the basics of my business. I no longer allow my point of sale computers to be used for anything other than strict business purposes. My back office machines are not allowed to be used for much more. I have a stripped down old laptop, separate from my network, that is used for anything else. But it is only connected via WiFi. I've had Macs since 1984 and have only been attacked once. That was during a political campaign in 1996 and I'm certain I was specifically targeted.
I take basic precautions with the Mac but since 96 I've noticed no problems.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I've had to fix other people's computers because of viruses, but never my own. I install a good anti-virus program and forget about it (AVG, Avast or Microsoft Security Essentials). But I also don't visit sketchy sites or open email attachments from people I don't know. I also don't use internet explorer except at work where I have to for development and testing. The people whose computers I've had to fix aren't that savvy and probably should be on Macs just for the virus "protection."
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tastes great. less filling.
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When it comes to personal computing Apple is merely a boutique brand, mostly popular with artists, hipsters and those afraid of technology
One day when the show is back in Montana you can come out and see how afraid my business is of technology. Pay attention to the audio routing via CANBUS, the Avid built Didgidesign consoles, the DMX universes of the intelligent lighting, the SMPTE time code we're chasing to sync with Pro Tools....it's a combination of Windows and Macs because each platform is good at certain jobs. Shari is a singer/songwrite guitarist. Why shouldn't she get the best native platform for that work?
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I said Macs were for artists, didn't I? I'm not arguing that. But only she can decide which is best for her.
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audio engineers use macs for protools. Other than that I don't know enough to say one way or the other. I use pc cause I can afford it.
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Windows 7 has the best security of any system (including Macs, which I still occasionally have to use) I've ever dealt with. Despite all the marketing, they don't really need additional software for security. I still run things like Spybot but they always come up squeaky clean.
The days of Macs being malware and virus free are a thing of the past. Virus writers never bothered with Macs because there just weren't enough to bother with but now they have discovered them. My employee gets malware on his Mac (admittedly not much) but I haven't had a piece make it through since I've gone to Win 7.
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I'm not saying Macs are bad (though my own was). I'm just saying they aren't better. They might have a particular attribute, such as the iPad display, which is really great but are are also areas where they fall short (such as non Apple peripheral compatibility where they REALLY struggle, though this might be intentional in order to sell more Apple products).
If I'm gonna pay that much more I just want a better product. It's just not.
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When it comes to personal computing Apple is merely a boutique brand, mostly popular with artists, hipsters and those afraid of technology
One day when the show is back in Montana you can come out and see how afraid my business is of technology. Pay attention to the audio routing via CANBUS, the Avid built Didgidesign consoles, the DMX universes of the intelligent lighting, the SMPTE time code we're chasing to sync with Pro Tools....it's a combination of Windows and Macs because each platform is good at certain jobs. Shari is a singer/songwrite guitarist. Why shouldn't she get the best native platform for that work?
So there are programs that are specific to Mac that Windows can't run? I never knew that, thought 3rd party coders wrote for both OS. Or are those programs Mac OS out of the box things?
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So there are programs that are specific to Mac that Windows can't run? I never knew that, thought 3rd party coders wrote for both OS. Or are those programs Mac OS out of the box things?
Yes, programmers write for specific platforms and then port over to the competition. In my case we use WinRadio on a windows laptop to scan for frequencies so we can integrate our wireless operation into the local environment. We use Mac Minis in a redundant array to run a video duet, sending tracks fro Pro Tools to the house audio and SMPTE time code to the video team so the image locks to the audio. What the audience sees is Jason singing with Kelly Clarkson (on screen) in real time. WinRadio is native to Windows, Pro Tools is native to Mac. Our line array calculator is Windows based, the CANBUS network that runs the amps and monitors the speakers is bi-tech so either works seamlessly. The lighting is designed on a WYSIWYG app on a Mac and then run on a mixing surface that uses Windows XP as its underlay, while the Digidesign audio surfaces use Mac as their underlay. The video guys use both, switching cameras with Windows while rolling the video content through Watchout timelines on a Mac. It all integrates very well but you can never let the Win machines see the Internet while the Macs are virus, malware free. That's just the way it is.
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You really believe that Windows machines will be infected if they get on the internet?
Say 'hi' to 1998 for me.
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My windows machines are getting viruses as I type this, I'm sure. 
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You really believe that Windows machines will be infected if they get on the internet?
Say 'hi' to 1998 for me.
Nope. Can't afford another Sasser worm either. So, no web.
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You really believe that Windows machines will be infected if they get on the internet?
Say 'hi' to 1998 for me.
Nope. Can't afford another Sasser worm either. So, no web.
Well, let's all pile in the Pinto and hit the road. You're hilarious.
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You really believe that Windows machines will be infected if they get on the internet?
Say 'hi' to 1998 for me.
Nope. Can't afford another Sasser worm either. So, no web.
Well, let's all pile in the Pinto and hit the road. You're hilarious.
This is exactly the type of thinking that I envisioned when I talked about people who use Macs not being computer literate. Rather, one has to be a bit more computer literate in order to use a Windows based computer.
Here, we have a person who knows how to use the applications. He knows how to use his Mac to do exactly what he needs to do and no more. Whereas there is great proficiency in using the application, there's very little computer literacy. Instead of identifying, understanding and weighing the risks and taking the necessary steps to minimize the risks, he takes a categorical stance, which is due to lack of understanding about how computers work. So, the decisions are made based on irrational fears, rather than risk/benefit analysis.
More people who use macs tend to fall into this category. This means that they pay more for a system that shields them from their irrational fears and provides somewhat greater safety and stability at the cost of limiting their computing experience.
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If he had a bad experience with a particular product and there is a replacement he feels better about I don't think that makes him irrational. I don't do MAC but figure you can check email and surf with it just fine. I don't think he is missing out on a computer experience. He uses the computers as tools. They have no need to be on the web anyhow. Now why am I defending a Mac guy  Oh! I remember, preferences and past experience make us all look dumb to those that have opposing views. Did you know the Harley in heavy slow traffic will stop its rear cylinder running just fine on the front single to save the rear and prevent heat to the rider and the motor when the two cylinders are not needed for performance. Now I think that is pretty cool technology! 
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Computer literate? Is that another way of saying the thing is a pain in the butt to operate? Do you have to be able to go 3,000 miles cross country on a 1950's vintage Ural doing all your own maintenance and repair to be motorcycle literate?
The PC is prone to bugs, viruses, freezing up for no discernible reason and a myriad of other quirks. The fact that a PC user has to learn a laundry list of work arounds, precautions, short cuts and emergency procedures is not exactly a point in it's favor.
Saying that a PC is superior because of all the stuff you need to know is like saying a Ural is superior to a Triumph since Ural riders know more about their bikes because they've had to fix practically everything at least once.
Like my motorcycle, I want my computer to run with as little fuss as possible. I think the fact that I don't need to do a lot of housekeeping to keep it operating is a plus rather than a minus.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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When it comes to personal computing Apple is merely a boutique brand, mostly popular with artists, hipsters and those afraid of technology
One day when the show is back in Montana you can come out and see how afraid my business is of technology. Pay attention to the audio routing via CANBUS, the Avid built Didgidesign consoles, the DMX universes of the intelligent lighting, the SMPTE time code we're chasing to sync with Pro Tools....it's a combination of Windows and Macs because each platform is good at certain jobs. Shari is a singer/songwrite guitarist. Why shouldn't she get the best native platform for that work?
So there are programs that are specific to Mac that Windows can't run? I never knew that, thought 3rd party coders wrote for both OS. Or are those programs Mac OS out of the box things?
Using VMware Fusion I can run almost anything Windows on my Mac. Usually as fast as on a Windows machine. Windows Office 2010 cannot even open my Mac files unless I save them in Windows format on my Mac.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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If he had a bad experience with a particular product and there is a replacement he feels better about I don't think that makes him irrational.
I don't do MAC but figure you can check email and surf with it just fine. I don't think he is missing out on a computer experience. He uses the computers as tools. They have no need to be on the web anyhow.
Now why am I defending a Mac guy Oh! I remember, preferences and past experience make us all look dumb to those that have opposing views.
Did you know the Harley in heavy slow traffic will stop its rear cylinder running just fine on the front single to save the rear and prevent heat to the rider and the motor when the two cylinders are not needed for performance.
Now I think that is pretty cool technology!
I understand having a bad experience in the past. However, what I see as irrational is that instead of understanding why something happened, and assessing the risk, a decision was made to cut off one's nose to spite one's face.
As far as comparing a Ural to whatever other modern bikes as an analogy, that analogy is just as irrational because it's extreme and does not apply. Yes, you have to be a bit more computer savvy with a PC. Yes, it's a bit more of a chore to maintain, but it's NOTHING like comparing a Ural to a Japanese or a European made bike. That just doesn't wash.
The upside of having a PC is the lesser cost and greater flexibility.
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Well, let's all pile in the Pinto and hit the road. You're hilarious.
To be fair, nothing in the touring system needs to see the Internet so there's no need to attach. We set up our own networks everyday but we're not doing much changing because we don't carry a cadre of IT cats, it's up to us to insure our one day in your town doesn't fail The XP mixing surfaces use their own custom shells so common AV tools don't exist for them, we buffer updates by using portables that are suitably defended. The finer NBA arenas and NHL house have dedicated IT guys and their networks have decent firewalls but you just don't get that everywhere. I may be guilty of being a MAC fan but here's why: for 15 years I spent my time tracking worms, viruses and malware and repairing lazy users PCs. I now have a decade of touring with a MAC, not one single bit of adware, malware or a virus or worm. And no constant updates for AV or ther defensive software bogging down y computer. Tell me about your last 10 years of Windows...
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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If you want a Mac, get a Mac. When it's all said and done, both PC's and Macs have their pros and cons. Write a list of what you want the machine to do, how you plan to use it, go to a couple of suppliers and ask their advise. Have a budget in mind and stick to it.
People tend to be passionate about the communication devices they use and will spend an enormous amount of time refuting alternative systems. My household has 2 iPads, 2 Mac airs, 2 iPhones, 4 iPods, 4 HP laptops and a desktop PC. I will switch between my laptop and Mac for different applications and use my iPad for browsing, meetings and presentations.
Shop around and make sure you get the best machine for your requirements (within your budget). What ever you get, it is always like Christmas taking it out of the box and firing it up for the first time.
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Computer literate? Is that another way of saying the thing is a pain in the butt to operate? Do you have to be able to go 3,000 miles cross country on a 1950's vintage Ural doing all your own maintenance and repair to be motorcycle literate?
The PC is prone to bugs, viruses, freezing up for no discernible reason and a myriad of other quirks. The fact that a PC user has to learn a laundry list of work arounds, precautions, short cuts and emergency procedures is not exactly a point in it's favor.
Saying that a PC is superior because of all the stuff you need to know is like saying a Ural is superior to a Triumph since Ural riders know more about their bikes because they've had to fix practically everything at least once.
Like my motorcycle, I want my computer to run with as little fuss as possible. I think the fact that I don't need to do a lot of housekeeping to keep it operating is a plus rather than a minus.
Where do you get this stuff? I haven't had a computer crash this millennium and I've got 7 of them of every shape and size. Haven't seen a virus in a decade and they are all network and on the net full time. Malware has never made it to any of my Win 7 machines and really hasn't been a problem since XP rolled out.
I know you want to justify paying too much for your computer but the things you suggest just don't happen.
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