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Frustrated with the displacement wars. I'm don't understand why when I was a kid, 1000CCs was a huge bike and now it is an entry level machine. I toured the US on a Kawasaki KLR 650 this year and it had plenty of power for me and roughly 50 lbs of gear (300lbs total).
I am looking at going to a street bike that I can tour 2 up on without goint to 1600CCs. I like the Thunderbird, but just don't see why it is needed. I have been facinated with the America and see lots of people that have bags and screens on them.
My question being, is there enough power for 2 up touring? Keep in mind, I dont want to do 100 MPH through twisties, but 80 MPH to keep up on a super slab every now and then would be needed. Do I really need to go to the big displacement for comfort?
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Some say no but I say yes they work quite well. I have done 2 up touring and later camping trips where we had 2 bikes but all our camping gear including 5 room tent ,air mattress, clothes for 2 weeks, etc...These were trips from north east Pa to Conn., NH, Fl, Central PA, south Pa,up state NY, etc.. I was comfortable and wasn't lacking for power. My advice is try one and see what you think. Take a demo and leave your other 1/2 where you can pick her up then ride it on highway and back roads to get an idea. I ride a carbed 790 so not sure what the 865 would be like.
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Thanks Dog. Looks like you have some loaded up Triumphs on the camping trip! I managed to put a lot of stuff on a 33 gallon lockable container (Actionpacker) on the back rack of my bike.
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I hear ya, Byron. Heck... I remember when a 650 was a 'big' bike. Our 790s and 865s are great for getting the job done. Keeping 'er 'small' adds to the adventure of it all. Depicted below is my bike fully loaded and although it ain't 2 up, it IS fully loaded for touring, camping, cooking and nipping at the end of the day. Who needs a Wing when you can 'skip a light fandango' on a lean, mean Trumpet. 
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Frustrated with the displacement wars. I'm don't understand why when I was a kid, 1000CCs was a huge bike and now it is an entry level machine. I toured the US on a Kawasaki KLR 650 this year and it had plenty of power for me and roughly 50 lbs of gear (300lbs total).
I am looking at going to a street bike that I can tour 2 up on without goint to 1600CCs. I like the Thunderbird, but just don't see why it is needed. I have been facinated with the America and see lots of people that have bags and screens on them.
My question being, is there enough power for 2 up touring? Keep in mind, I dont want to do 100 MPH through twisties, but 80 MPH to keep up on a super slab every now and then would be needed. Do I really need to go to the big displacement for comfort?
can the the America or the speedy be a 2 up touring bike ??
yes it can ..it can even pull a trailer ..I have done it many times ..and many fun fill times with my wife on this bike ......
and my oldest son and his wife rode this same bike for 2 years and have many fun fill times with his wife on that same bike ..
and this summer my youngest will be riding it ..
I have moved on to the bigger displacement bikes first was Tiger 1050 great biker for 2up touring ..and many fun filled miles on that bike ..also pulled a trailer with that one..
now my oldest son and his wife ride that one..
and I ride a Triumph RocketIII Tour 2300 talk about displacement wars ...but I will be honest this bike is the most comfortable of all 3 ..talk about a all day ride
good luck ..and remember you can't go wrong with a America or a speedy both great bikes
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Keith, John, Ed and Dog -
Thanks for the input. I love seeing those bikes loaded up. I guess that inspires confidence. If I could ever figure out how to post photos on here, I would show you my touring setup.
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Here is my KLR loaded up last year. 
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...My question being, is there enough power for 2 up touring? Keep in mind, I dont want to do 100 MPH through twisties, but 80 MPH to keep up on a super slab every now and then would be needed. Do I really need to go to the big displacement for comfort?
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As you can see by most of these pics, we can load these bikes down pretty good. And, I must add, still pass every thing else on the Interstate, other than a larger displacement machine of course, but I find most of them don't ride as fast as I do anyway. Ever. Loaded or not, two-up, or not, I tend to ride at least 9 miles over posted speed limits, and allowing for speedo error, that means (to me), keeping my tach over 5K, and my speedo needle north of 85 mph in a 70 mph zone. Loaded or not, two-up, or not. And my 790cc twin isn't even breathing hard after a 10 hour day, and I'm comfortable enough to look forward to the next 10 hour day tomorrow, too. You are where I found myself 8-9 years ago, when I thought I wanted (needed) that Honda VTX, and then the 1300 came out, and that seemed to be the perfect starter bike for what I thought I wanted to do. No way, no how, would I have ever put 80K on a VTX 7 years...nor had half as much fun doing it. People(like me now) on this forum convinced me the Triumph twin in a cruiser frame could do what I wanted without all the extra cc's. Or engine coolant. Or fans. Or shaft drive. Or an extra 150-200+ lbs. of extra weight. AND, THESE ARE TRIUMPH! I still can't stop for gas without attracting attention.... 
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Thanks for the input Blackwind and great photos Moe. I get the feeling that this is the direction that I want to go.
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I have camped off my bike ridding 1 and 2 up. I am able to keep up with my dads 2007 Yamaha 1300 V4 venture all day long... until it comes to taking corners... I can ride circles around him. I also am getting 48-53 mpg 2 up (depending on load, wind, road type) compared to dad's 40ish!!!
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Absolutely not! Do not buy a TBA to tour. At their very competitive price, buy two, one for each of you.
As your Texas neighbor mine has been to Arizona Twice, Florida Bike week, and Myrtle Beach bike week. All without a problem. And I ride less than all the above folks.
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I agree with the buy 2 theory, 2 up is fine but each on their own bike is even better no matter what bike it is.
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Yep, I agree. Two up these bikes do the job well. One up on two bikes and you will no doubt have a blast.
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Now you have me back up to the $20K mark if I have to get 2. My girlfriend, although licensed, does not ever want to drive mine. I doubt that I would be able to get her on her own. It is more my hobby that she will partake in than our hobby.
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I that case buy one, have lots of fun and spend the rest on jewelry for her. 
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Frustrated with the displacement wars. I'm don't understand why when I was a kid, 1000CCs was a huge bike and now it is an entry level machine. I toured the US on a Kawasaki KLR 650 this year and it had plenty of power for me and roughly 50 lbs of gear (300lbs total). I am looking at going to a street bike that I can tour 2 up on without goint to 1600CCs. I like the Thunderbird, but just don't see why it is needed. I have been facinated with the America and see lots of people that have bags and screens on them.
My question being, is there enough power for 2 up touring? Keep in mind, I dont want to do 100 MPH through twisties, but 80 MPH to keep up on a super slab every now and then would be needed. Do I really need to go to the big displacement for comfort?
I've toured 2 up on my Honda Steed, which is 400 cc I weigh about 300lbs, plus gear, plus my gf, etc. My Honda Steed is 30hp and I can do 70mph on it if needed, although it doesn't like it when loaded like that. A 600cc bike would do just fine and an 865 cc is overkill. So, to answer your question: you have more than enough to do what you need to do on an America or Speedmaster. A bigger displacement engine is just a penis extension
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Alex:
Seems that all we have is overkill in the US. I have seen travel documentaries of Thailand. Looks very nice.
I agree with overkill for myself riding. I was not sure that the 650 I toured with was that much of overkill and I was alone but heavily packed. I would say that an 865 should be ok for me and a passenger.
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My old 650 Triumph would pull me and Wendy together on it but on long rides it would get very hot and I could tell it was working hard, we were both over 200 lbs making over 400 lbs on it. We were getting ready to go to Laconia, Nh and I didn't think it was a good idea to load the bike down with gear and us. That prompted us to buy my SM and it did the job very well. Bought her BA the following summer.
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I think it has been clearly established that if you want you can go across country on a Moped. Everything can tour.
Most folks with a Smart car or Toyota Camry in the garage would take the Camry on the 500 mile road trip. That said, for a trip I would opt for the bigger bike every time if it was available to me.
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Saxtron,
That is just it. I can barely justify one bike, much less 2. I originally bought the KLR to commute and ride it almost daily. Then I took a trip and ended up realizing how fun touring can be.
The odd week out of 52 that I may take a long motorcycle trip makes it hard to justify the huge expense of a 16-1700cc bike. Just want to be sure that I am not underestimating the benefits of that type of displacement.
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If you are only going to take a long trip a year I would certainly do the America with a windshield, boards, and a back rest. It will drive all day long at highway speeds and never be labored at it. I have a very small removable windshield and a backrest and have done numerous 5-800 mile days on it.
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I have a very small removable windshield and a backrest and have done numerous 5-800 mile days on it.
Ever tried it 2-up Ron?
Do-able, enjoyable for sure ... but not that easy under full load.
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No, I would never do it two up but am sure it is doable. 500 miles two up is a very long ride.
When you say not that easy do you mean the bike has trouble or your butts have trouble, or both?
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When you say not that easy do you mean the bike has trouble or your butts have trouble, or both?
Exluding our butts for the moment, after all, the bike is as comfortable as one makes it ... at faster speeds (where applicaple) extra power and weight would be more appreciated.
I say weight because I have found myself been blown around a bit on occasions (on one I found myself in a completely different lane).
I also suspect it's because I have spent a lot of touring on bigger bikes over the last 30 years (including two I currently have in my stable). You feel the difference.
Since you also have the Victory in your stable I think you know what I mean.
Again, I'm talking about 2-up and fully loaded for longish rides that take a couple of months (just the way I like 'em).
I've done a few with the Speedy, so it's definetely do-able. No doubt there.
See a couple below.
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We are on exactly the same page. But if the they have only one bike and only about a week a year for a trip the Triumph would be fine for them.
When you get up over 700lbs. the wind has a harder time blowing you around. You are correct.
I think the price point on a bigger cruiser would well exceed that of a Speedy or America.
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Seems that all we have is overkill in the US. I have seen travel documentaries of Thailand. Looks very nice.
I agree with overkill for myself riding. I was not sure that the 650 I toured with was that much of overkill and I was alone but heavily packed. I would say that an 865 should be ok for me and a passenger.
Yeah, I find that a 600 or a 650 would be just right, with an 800cc engine having enough of a reserve to pull in those rare situations when you need the extra oomph. The bottom line is that a Speedmaster or America is just fine for 2up touring. There's no need to go for a 1600cc bike.
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Seems that all we have is overkill in the US. I have seen travel documentaries of Thailand. Looks very nice.
I agree with overkill for myself riding. I was not sure that the 650 I toured with was that much of overkill and I was alone but heavily packed. I would say that an 865 should be ok for me and a passenger.
Yeah, I find that a 600 or a 650 would be just right, with an 800cc engine having enough of a reserve to pull in those rare situations when you need the extra oomph. The bottom line is that a Speedmaster or America is just fine for 2up touring. There's no need to go for a 1600cc bike.
no you will find your self down shifting to get that pull your talking about... when 2 up full loaded with these bikes ..buts that ok they do it just fine ..and yes you will have to make the bike fit you for the long ride..
some people put on different bars, seats,floor boards.mid pegs,back rest ..all stuff to make it better for them..and I bet some people do nothing ...
I now use my RT3 for all my riding ..would I go back to my America no....does that 850lbs & 2300cc make a difference oh yes ..a big one..and now lets but this in the hands of hands of some one that does not have a penis..."my wife"...she has many miles on my bikes..has over 800 miles days one each bike..the America,Tiger 1050,Rocket tour...
and will tell you the Rocket wins hands down then the Tiger then the America..but if you look at the order that is also the way the run in price ..
so remember when Touring 2 up look to the one seating behind you..
and I still say the America or speedy will do the job just fine ..its the best bang for bucks bike out there ..
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It's not a question of whether there are advantages to having a bigger bike, I think it's more of a question of: Do you need a bigger bike to tour for a week or two once a year? The answer, at least in my view is no. You don't need a bigger bike. It's ok to downshift sometimes, it doesn't have to be a perfect experience, but it's ok, it's more than manageable. In fact, it's a downright pleasant experience.
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I think it has been clearly established that if you want you can go across country on a Moped. Everything can tour.
Most folks with a Smart car or Toyota Camry in the garage would take the Camry on the 500 mile road trip. That said, for a trip I would opt for the bigger bike every time if it was available to me.
And I would not, I am perfectly happy with my SM for touring all over the country and don't find myself wanting for anything. I have plenty of power bike is smooth and not working to run highway speeds and more loaded or not. In my opinion only reason to go bigger is a status thing or psychological.
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Now the comfort of the passengers butt would be a good argument if she isn't comfy on the bike. Wendy had no issues with it and we rode well over 500 miles 2 up but only about 500 to 600 in a day.
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In my opinion only reason to go bigger is a status thing or psychological.
As oft stated here, I also have bigger bikes in my stable. One of them long before I got the SM.
I didn't know I had status or psychological issues. 
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It's not a question of whether there are advantages to having a bigger bike, I think it's more of a question of: Do you need a bigger bike to tour for a week or two once a year? The answer, at least in my view is no. You don't need a bigger bike. It's ok to downshift sometimes, it doesn't have to be a perfect experience, but it's ok, it's more than manageable. In fact, it's a downright pleasant experience.
you did not get what I was saying we are talking about 2 up touring and we ride and camp a lot so it's very important for that person riding behind me to very happy ..or no one will be happy ...and she love's to ride with me and has been for over 26 years ...
I did not once put down the America or the speedy I said they will do the job ....
and as for what I want or need....
I WANTED a America I got one did I really need it noooooo I WANTED it.....
I WANTED A Tiger 1050 I got one did I really need it nooooooooo I WANTED it....
I WANTED A Rocket III Tour I got one did I really need it noooooo I WANTED
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I did not once put down the America or the speedy I said they will do the job ....
and as for what I want or need....
I WANTED a America I got one did I really need it noooooo I WANTED it.....
I WANTED A Tiger 1050 I got one did I really need it nooooooooo I WANTED it....
I WANTED A Rocket III Tour I got one did I really need it noooooo I WANTED
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Ha! Well, yeah, but I think the guy is also taking into consideration budgetary constraints. Wouldn't we all like to have a stable of bikes in our garage for each and every situation and mood?
But I think that we're in agreement that taking into account practical considerations, the America or the Speedmaster are more than adequate to tour 2up from a power, comfort and enjoyment perspective.
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In my opinion only reason to go bigger is a status thing or psychological.
As oft stated here, I also have bigger bikes in my stable. One of them long before I got the SM.
I didn't know I had status or psychological issues.
If you buy a bigger bike because you like it is not what I am talking about. There are a couple bigger bikes I would like to have but not because they are bigger or more powerful but because I like the bike. Maybe it is because I rode Triumph most of my riding life and am used to higher revs on the highway but my SM does everything I want it to effortlessly. I would like an R3T because it is another Triumph I don't have and I like it. I have yet to test drive one but I have sat on them and think it would be a nice bike to ride. I could change my mind after a test ride.
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If you buy a bigger bike because you like it is not what I am talking about.
... bigger bikes I would like to have but not because they are bigger or more powerful but because I like the bike.
It's exactly the reason that they are bigger and/or more powerful that most people buy them.
Also, do you think the people who buy these bikes spend a lot of money and do not like them?
Or the ONLY reason being because of status or psychological issues as previously stated?
I'm not getting something.
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