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What I did find more informative than entertaining was your bit about the order of your beautiful wife's motorsickle ride enjoyment.
Moe, you've just reminded me of an incident concerning Kathy when she chose the Speedy over my RT1100.
This was 4 years ago and I actually posted it:
The Princess has chosen.
Sorry, the pictures and maps are missing as I changed over servers and didn't copy the pictures over (yet).
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I did not once put down the America or the speedy I said they will do the job ....
and as for what I want or need....
I WANTED a America I got one did I really need it noooooo I WANTED it.....
I WANTED A Tiger 1050 I got one did I really need it nooooooooo I WANTED it....
I WANTED A Rocket III Tour I got one did I really need it noooooo I WANTED
Ed 
Ha! Well, yeah, but I think the guy is also taking into consideration budgetary constraints. Wouldn't we all like to have a stable of bikes in our garage for each and every situation and mood?
But I think that we're in agreement that taking into account practical considerations, the America or the Speedmaster are more than adequate to tour 2up from a power, comfort and enjoyment perspective.
and if you would read my post... I tell him to go for it ..saying that the America and speedy are great bikes and will do the job..but also be ready to set this bikes up for touring ..with better shock's, wind shields, floor boards, mid pegs, saddle bags, maybe a better seat ...or maybe it will need nothing and be fine just the way it is...
but when you make a off hand comment..about why some has a bigger cc bike ???? next time think before you type ...because buying the tiger 1050 cc and the Rocker 2300 cc was a "husband & wife" decision ...
and any one that knows us...knows that we camp a lot and have pulled a trailer with each bike ..but the rocket ..but I am looking at hitch set up for that this year..and maybe even getting this camper.. web page
so you see theirs more to us buying bigger cc bikes then what most people think!!!!
Ed & Vicki
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Ed! I take it you mean when riding 2-up, you now use your RT3 for all your riding?
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and now lets put this in the hands of hands of some one that does not have a penis ...
lol. I can only imagine what this is. Sorry, just had to close that door. 
What I did find more informative than entertaining was your bit about the order of your beautiful wife's motorsickle ride enjoyment.
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... the Rocket wins hands down then the Tiger then the America..but if you look at the order that is also the way the run in price...
Lynn and I looked at the RIII tourer. Perhaps we should look past the R3's shortcoming and focus more on the actual butt/ride factor. Reading Vickie's preferences is enlightening. Lynn and I looked at the R3 setup as a super-sized BA. Is the pillion that much more comfortable or is the difference more in line with ride quality and that bit about super-sized? We explored the R3 vis-a-vis the wing of gold. I could live without all the GW accoutrements and perhaps so too Lynn could live without the pillion armrest, etcetera?
This is an axiom: "so remember when Touring 2 up look to the one seating behind you.."
P.S.: Ever think the reason of ride comfort order has the BA last? Perhaps, just maybe, like you think it could have something to do with those freaky loud pipes on it?
Happy Sunday to yous and the family!
well moe I ride the rocket most the time because my boys have taken over the other 2 bikes ...Eddie the tiger Allan the America..nothing like riding with son's..I think it going to be a good year 
as for my riding partner ..I am blessed she has rode many miles with me in heat,rain,and great sunny days and does not complain..she does use a mp3 player ..
as for my upgrades over the years ..each bike brings something different to the table each in its own price range and I love all the bikes or I would still would not have them ....
but to day if going on a ride I take the Rocket short or long..and yes I did ride the America last week it's still a great bike and will tell any one that is looking at one get it you won't regret it
brother moe you have a great day hope you and your family are living life to it's fullest
Ed
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I think if I was going to tour and wanted under 1000cc bike I would go with a factory set up out the door at $9,400 bucks. 950cc Star Bagger
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I've ridden a 600 VLX honda over a lot of Thailand and there are times when extra power would have been an advantage.
I've ridden my America for awhile now in Australia and there are times when extra power would be an advantage.
I love my Triumph and it would be fine for an occaisonal tour but if I was touring in the U.S. or Australia constantly,I think I'd like something bigger for two up with loads of gear.
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If you buy a bigger bike because you like it is not what I am talking about.
... bigger bikes I would like to have but not because they are bigger or more powerful but because I like the bike.
It's exactly the reason that they are bigger and/or more powerful that most people buy them.
Also, do you think the people who buy these bikes spend a lot of money and do not like them? 
Or the ONLY reason being because of status or psychological issues as previously stated?
I'm not getting something.
I don't know how to state it any clearer but you don't seem to get what I am saying.
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If you buy a bigger bike because you like it is not what I am talking about.
... bigger bikes I would like to have but not because they are bigger or more powerful but because I like the bike.
It's exactly the reason that they are bigger and/or more powerful that most people buy them.
Also, do you think the people who buy these bikes spend a lot of money and do not like them?
Or the ONLY reason being because of status or psychological issues as previously stated?
I'm not getting something.
I don't know how to state it any clearer but you don't seem to get what I am saying.
You kick off with a blanket statement like "In my opinion only reason to go bigger is a status thing or psychological." followed by another post with "unless you buy a bigger bike because you like it but not because it's bigger or more powerful".
I agree I don't get any of the logic in that equation ... but I already said that in my previous post.
Let's leave it it that.
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Hey Thanassis, in order to reinforce your argument against Ian's idea that owning a bigger and more powerful touring motorcycle is purely a "psychological thing", I'm somewhat surprised you didn't remind Ian about Eddy's little "incident" over there in Europe a few years ago when he was tryin' to pass that long-assed truck on that highway that one day, and when your BMW RT had NO problem passin' that sucker, but Eddy just BARELY missed gettin' creamed while on your Speedy while tryin' to do the same thing...and THIS was when he was JUST ridin' ONE-UP!!! (...in OTHER words, YEAH, one CAN tour on these babies, BUT with TWO-UP and with luggage, it suuuuuure is a mite tougher PASSIN' slower vehicles on two-lane roads out there withOUT the added benfit of increased "Roll-on Power", ain't it?!...in Europe or ANYWHERE for THAT matter, huh?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Hey Thanassis, in order to reinforce your argument against Ian's idea that owning a bigger and more powerful touring motorcycle is purely a "psychological thing", I'm somewhat surprised you didn't remind Ian about Eddy's little "incident" over there in Europe a few years ago when he was tryin' to pass that long-assed truck on that highway that one day, and when your BMW RT had NO problem passin' that sucker, but Eddy just BARELY missed gettin' creamed while on your Speedy while tryin' to do the same thing...and THIS was when he was JUST ridin' ONE-UP!!!
(...in OTHER words, YEAH, one CAN tour on these babies, BUT with TWO-UP and with luggage, it suuuuuure is a mite tougher PASSIN' slower vehicles on two-lane roads out there withOUT the added benfit of increased "Roll-on Power", ain't it?!...in Europe or ANYWHERE for THAT matter, huh?!)
Will I ever forget it. 
I has gone way past the truck and stayed in the middle of the road trying to nudge the oncoming car over a little (who came out of nowhere and was flying at us) while Eddy passed the truck. You know how close to the middle (and oncoming cars) I ride anyway.
The bastage wouldn't budge.
You've ridden that very same RT for several thousand miles around Europe.
I am sure you understand and appreciate the difference when touring.
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You've ridden that very same RT for several thousand miles around Europe.
I am sure you understand and appreciate the difference when touring.
Yep, I surely do! And so while I still dearly love my BA after over 10 years of ownership, and after having previously owned a 1980 Yamaha XS1100 Special for many years and then a 1995 Triumph Sprint and appreciating the passing power of those machines, I will once again reiterate that old "lament" of mine that IF Bloor's boys would've made and offered 1000cc versions of the Bonneville lineup (and with maybe upgraded suspension), I would have gladly paid what would probably have been a $2,000 premium for such an animal back when I purchased what has turned out to be my beautiful, reliable, extremely smooth-running, great handling, but what I've always felt was a somewhat slightly underpowered BA.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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... that old "lament" of mine that IF Bloor's boys would've made and offered 1000cc versions of the Bonneville lineup (and with maybe upgraded suspension), I would have gladly paid what would probably have been a $2,000 premium for such an animal
I agree totally and would have done exactly the same, but they didn't.
Bedouin.
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Wow. I left for a week and this thing was 14 replies. Now I am just reading through the 50 and wondering why we all just cant get along. Ha.
The question was will the bike be able to handle 2 up touring. The thing that I may want to say is that while I can take a night in a hammock, we are really just hotel people. Not taking anything other than clothes and cameras with us. I am just wanting to know will it have problems pulling all day. My 650 single had no issues at 85 MPH and had plenty (well not plenty) of passing power.
Bedoin - I appreciate the information. There is one thing that I don't understand. The map. How is the Atlantic on the wrong side of the land. Odd to see as I am always used to seeing east coast US maps.
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Bedoin - I appreciate the information.
Just a point I don't know if I clarified earlier ... both rides (albeit in Europe) in the 2 maps are 2-up, which, as you rightly say, is what this thread was all about in the first place.
Sorry it got cluttered up with non-related junk.
Bedouin.
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Bedoin- I bet the Europe trip was great. Where are the photos? 
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Wow. I left for a week and this thing was 14 replies. Now I am just reading through the 50 and wondering why we all just cant get along. Ha.
The question was will the bike be able to handle 2 up touring. The thing that I may want to say is that while I can take a night in a hammock, we are really just hotel people. Not taking anything other than clothes and cameras with us. I am just wanting to know will it have problems pulling all day. My 650 single had no issues at 85 MPH and had plenty (well not plenty) of passing power.
Bedoin - I appreciate the information. There is one thing that I don't understand. The map. How is the Atlantic on the wrong side of the land. Odd to see as I am always used to seeing east coast US maps.
If all you want to haul is 2 people and some clothes the BA will be fine. I have covered thousands of miles in The US doing that plus camping gear. In the end only you can make the decision as to what is big enough for you. Take each bike you are interested in for a test ride 2 up if you can and see what they do.
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The bike carries a fair amount...
  
Now the question must be asked, two of who? Certainly not two of me! 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I'm not sure it could carry one and a half of me...
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The bike carries a fair amount...
Now the question must be asked, two of who? Certainly not two of me!
Good point
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I'm not sure it could carry one and a half of me...
I'm pretty sure it would carry me and a super model, at least until my wife found out! 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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 3 or 4 days before Thanksgiving, 2006. Killboy pic Speedmaster & America = Mid weight cruiser classification Are they considered touring bikes? No. Can one tour on it? Why sure. There's one guy on the Iron Butt forum who rides a 150 something or other all over the nation. To each his own. Great bike for $8,000 new? Sure. My first choice for a 48 state tour? Nope. But that's just me. One of life's finer lessons - if someone does not agree with me, it doesn't mean either one of us is wrong. Big horsepower = small weiner? Absurd. I think that opinion is usually supplied by those lacking in both departments. I liked it better here when the disrespect wasn't part of the every day like it is now, which is why I stopped coming around for so long - too much like reading something along the lines of a dialog of the divorced but hey - that's just me. No one has to agree with that. ;-) If I found a genie in a bottle, and was given a choice of America/Speedmaster - Rocket - or T Bird... I wouldn't pick America or Speedmaster. On the other hand, I absolutely love my Speedmaster, despite it's shortcoming as an $8,000 motorcycle, such as a glaring lack of fork dampers, shaky electricals, stock shocks that I wouldn't put on a ricshaw, headstock bearings that are of laughable quality. Geez guys - you couldn't afford 3 or 4 more ball bearings within the race?
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The only thing you hate about your bike is mine's faster,
and better looking. Oh, that's two things.
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I would say try it!
I ride two ip every day. I find the bike really only fails a bit on open highway 70mph when you hit a long hill and your forced to 4th gear. Or to open to full throttle. But tbh you kinda have to do that 1 up a lot of the time here in uk as its all hills where I live lol. It's a great bike two up. Ok so it's no t-bird but What have you got to lose?
We travel with me(19st) and the mrs (12st), a tent, 2 bags, a case of clothes, stove, food, and feck knows what else. Engine couldn't give a crap most of the time.
Only thing I would definitely do is change the shocks on the rear to something like the hagon 440 if you haven't already. The stock shocks will ruin your experience very quickly with the constant bottoming out on crappy roads with two people on the bike.
Quick! There's time 2B Wasted! :-P
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