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Need new front Metzeler ME880 110/80R18 but now only ME880 front available is 110/90/R18. Does anyone know if 110/90 will fit under fender???
05 Mulberry America, Freak, 45/145, one shim stock needle, 2 1/2 turns, 2 baffles drilled 3/4" holes, 3rd baffle removed, 18T/42T DID x-ring, engine mount OPG & oil temp, Metzeler 880s, EBS rotors, HH pads, low profile seat
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Yep!!!
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Yes, Reboot has that as well. Handles amazingly well. Closer in flickability to a 100/90 Avon than any of the other sizes I've tried (though it's been about 9 years since I rode on the original 110/80 Bridgestone).
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I always thought the 110/80 was the Speedmaster tire, being a little lower profile...but yes, it would fit.
I've never run an ME880 Front tire. My Speedy came with a "Laser 'T'", but by the time I needed to replace it, that tire had been discontinued, replaced by the LaserTec. I've never run anything else, and never strayed from the 110/80-18. Metzler calls it a Sport Touring tire...
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Thanks guys, come to Daytona Bike Week and the cold ones are on me!!!!! 
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I'm pretty sure the 120/90 is the only one that won't fit under the stock fender (really the bracket is the issue).
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Do this to your F. bracket and a fatter tire fits 
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110/90 arrived today from J&P but will not attempt to get a mount and balance until Daytona Bike Week is OVER!!! It's wall to wall bikers especially at shops here in Central FL. Got whiplash the other day trying to gawk at all the bikes and the LADIES at the same time!! Putting down quiet a few cold ones did however ease the pain.....
05 Mulberry America, Freak, 45/145, one shim stock needle, 2 1/2 turns, 2 baffles drilled 3/4" holes, 3rd baffle removed, 18T/42T DID x-ring, engine mount OPG & oil temp, Metzeler 880s, EBS rotors, HH pads, low profile seat
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Need new front Metzeler ME880 110/80R18 but now only ME880 front available is 110/90/R18. Does anyone know if 110/90 will fit under fender???
My 04 America has a front Metzeler ME880 110/90-18 (also marked 61H) with between .070 and .085 tread depth at the center and more to the sides. The rear is a new Metzeler ME880 170/80 B15 (also marked 77H)
The Owners manual says the optional America front tire is a Metzeler ME33T in 110/80-18 size which appears to have a different tread than the ME880 tire. As a not very aggressive and fair weather rider should I stick with the ME880 for the front? and with the 110/90 size? Or is there a reason to look at the Lasertec front tires.
Is the min tread depth of .080 hard and fast safety wise or can I get a few more miles of easy riding out of my front tire before I spring for a new one? And what do the numbers before the H mean, assuming the H is the speed rating I never expect to exceed.
Phil in Northwest Arkansas
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Doesn't matter what brand of tire you run with given you ride sedately. Just don't use radials. The front tire usually will track real bad when it is time to change it out. When the tread looks wasted, change em out.
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Nothing to do with Metz tires, I am looking at Kenda 673 Kruz for front & rear. I am 110/90 - 18 for the front
170/80 15 for the rear.
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I like my Brigstones. They have been great! Its the S11's like fast eddy sells (right under your Kenda)Just a little more expensive, but I went with a name I trusted.
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Scott, S11's, what size are you running up front. Right now I have a 100/90 which fits fine but just bought a 110/90 and it looks like its gonna be close.
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Which bike are you riding, Leithal? My 2010 BA stock front tire is 110/90 - 18
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Scott, S11's, what size are you running up front. Right now I have a 100/90 which fits fine but just bought a 110/90 and it looks like its gonna be close.
mine are OEM size, so I dont really know the answer. sorry I missed your call, gimmi a shout again if you need to.
Mal: "Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun?{ref, Jayne} Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really, it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting."
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Which bike are you riding, Leithal? My 2010 BA stock front tire is 110/90 - 18
In reply to Jerry: I have an 07 SM. I'm really thinking it should fit but it looks like it gona be tighter than a ............ 
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Its tight but it fits, no rubbing but it might if i run over a skunk angin this spring
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Not to throw a Monkey Wrench in the Works...
But have you considered a 130/70?
I think it looks alot better, have been running them for several
years now. No handling issues wet or dry, no clearance issues either.
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Yeah, and Dennis has one for sale in the classifieds for $95.
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Not to throw a Monkey Wrench in the Works...
But have you considered a 130/70?
I think it looks alot better, have been running them for several
years now. No handling issues wet or dry, no clearance issues either.
20mm wider and 3 mm more depth (to state the obvious) over the recommended size. Hmmm. I am just looking at a new front and reading all the threads. Yes sir, spanner in the works.
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I am running 120/90-18 Wild Flares on my '06, but I had to go with Keith s 3/4 in. fender extension brackets to make sure they would fit at speed.
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130/70 ME880 is gonna be my next front tire.
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For 130/70 would just cutting fender mount suffice or would the risers be necessary? The look of the fatty front tire does have appeal. A before and after shot would be great to see.
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 No modifications needed! 
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Thanks Moe They both look good. Is the red bike 110/80 for comparison?
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Just noticed Vera Lynn is still wearing her reflectors up front
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lol, Yes she is.  Anyone want to buy some reflectors that have 94,000 miles on them? 
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The guy at the local dealer's service/tire counter looked like he had just eaten something sour when I suggested ME880 on my Speedmaster. Too heavy, won't track the same, the engineers at Triumph know what they are doing stick with OEM. "If you want it you have to sign on the order that I recommend not doing it." For fun at this point I suggested perhaps a 130/70 as suggested above, sour turned to crap. 
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Engineers know what they are doing? Of course. But bean counters for them into bad decisions, most often OEM tires.
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Engineers know what they are doing? Of course. But bean counters for them into bad decisions, most often OEM tires.
John I get the Bean Counters need to get the product on the road at a price point and make $$ and they do recommend Metsler tires not some over the counter Wallyworld specials. It was the dogmatic response I received when suggesting something other then the 110/80 specific model of tire. The fact that there is a resource as good as this site specific to our motorcycle was of no concern to him spouting Flick response etc. I'm not driving a crotch rocket. Perhaps it is a contractural thing or a liability problem as they will not install and balance a tire I supply. 
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Hi all
I am ready for a new front tire on the 09 Speedy and have read this thread and noticed that most all of the bikes are Americas. My question is will the Avon Roadrider 110/90-18 be a good replacement for the Lasertec 110/80-18 and will it fit with no mods to the fender. Thanks and sorry if I missed the answer elsewhere. Don't want to hijack the thread but this seemed a good place for the question.
Frank
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Will a Metzler 110/90 - 18 front fit an 09 Speedy without any mods?
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Frank
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For all who have the Metzler 110/90 on an America, the parts guy at my shop did not want to order it for the front of my 04 because it is listed as a tubeless. He had a list of reasons why placing a tube in a tubeless tire was unsafe, not one of them had I ever heard before. The non T dealer down the street ordered it without a word about the inner tube.
Have any of you running spoked rims had issues with using tubes in the 880s?
I was hoping to see an upgrade going from the Bridgestone OEM to the 880. (and yes the tire on bike is 8 years old and feels like riding on Bakelite) The 880 seems to have a positve following with the TBA riders here
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For all who have the Metzler 110/90 on an America, the parts guy at my shop did not want to order it for the front of my 04 because it is listed as a tubeless. He had a list of reasons why placing a tube in a tubeless tire was unsafe, not one of them had I ever heard before. The non T dealer down the street ordered it without a word about the inner tube.
Have any of you running spoked rims had issues with using tubes in the 880s?
That is what my wife has on her '06 America. No problems at all. My dealer didnt hesitate either.
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Im with Moe here ......if they look worn out they are worn out...... that simple.
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Well, going by the consensus here I will be getting the 110/90-18 ME880 for Black Beauty & hope it arrives in time to get it mounted, balanced & worn a tad before the midwest rally. Last spring (2010) the local T dealer mounted the Lasertech as the replacement for the ME880 that was on the scoot when I bought her. I can't say that I liked the way the lazertech ran, and wouldn't buy another.
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It is a liability, as a dealer (maybe somewhat more liable than an non-dealer shop?). People get sued. We sell 700-800 tires/month at my Lexus dealership, and we will not install tires not specified by Lexus. They must be stock size and specification (load index & speed rating), and, as we learned the hard way years ago, they had better be on Lexus' "approved" list for best service and to minimize handling, wear, and noise concerns over the life of the tires. I do buy the "bean counter affecting final vehicle delivery specs" theory, but that is not to say that I do not want to trust the manufacturer to conduct all of the testing and research so that I don't have to. I do. Specify the tire, to the tire manufacturers, so that I can buy the tire that works best on my car. Or my bike. And to not be tied too strongly to one tire manufacturer for a particular model car (or bike), share those specified requirements with other primary tire manufacturers, and indeed, fit a variety of tire brands on new vehicles assuring the manufacturers will continue production of said tires to support the vehicles. If tied too strongly to too few suppliers, things like labor disputes, or even price increases can adversly affect product supply, and ultimately the price of the final product, which of course must be competitive in it's own market. But if I fit an incorrectly sized or otherwise non-recommended tire on a vehicle I will be married to it regardless of what happens. Think about these smart people who want to take off the stock sized tires and wheels on their land yacht sedans and replace them with tires and wheels that may be several inches smaller in wheel diameter and tire size. And load carrying capacity. And how does that affect safety and handling? And, they are out there driving right beside you every day and night. As a Lexus dealer, too often I am the last resort when somebody has a problem, and wants a correct diagnoses. You don't have any idea how many times I see cars in telling me they think they are hearing wheel bearings, when all they are hearing is tire whine coming from non-recommended tires. But they never want to pay to have me swap tires and wheels off another car onto theirs, and take them for a ride to prove the point, then swap it all back again. My tech is going to get paid, regardless. But it would be the tire failure liability that could cost us the most. 
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I am ready for a new front tire on the 09 Speedy and have read this thread and noticed that most all of the bikes are Americas. My question is will the Avon Roadrider 110/90-18 be a good replacement for the Lasertec 110/80-18 and will it fit with no mods to the fender. Thanks and sorry if I missed the answer elsewhere. Don't want to hijack the thread but this seemed a good place for the question.
Frank
It will work.
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Ridin'Texas
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AI removed, Pingle, UNI Filter, 1 shim, straight-through slash-cut TORs, Stage 1 DynaJet, 140 mains, 3 turns, 16/42 final drive, 115K
2020 T120 Black
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Need new front Metzeler ME880 110/80R18 but now only ME880 front available is 110/90/R18. Does anyone know if 110/90 will fit under fender???
My 04 America has a front Metzeler ME880 110/90-18 (also marked 61H) with between .070 and .085 tread depth at the center and more to the sides. The rear is a new Metzeler ME880 170/80 B15 (also marked 77H)
The Owners manual says the optional America front tire is a Metzeler ME33T in 110/80-18 size which appears to have a different tread than the ME880 tire. As a not very aggressive and fair weather rider should I stick with the ME880 for the front? and with the 110/90 size? Or is there a reason to look at the Lasertec front tires.
Is the min tread depth of .080 hard and fast safety wise or can I get a few more miles of easy riding out of my front tire before I spring for a new one? And what do the numbers before the H mean, assuming the H is the speed rating I never expect to exceed.
I would do the 110/80-18 LaserTec front before I would do the ME880 front tire.
As for tread depth, look for the wear bars in your tire treads. All tires have them. Raised bars of rubber running perpendicular to the tread, down in the tread grooves. When the wear bars show shallow, replace the tire. Think about riding on wet road, and see how much water your tires can channell past the wear bars. Your only going to be as smart as you want to be...
As for the numbers before the letter "H" on the tire sidewall - that would be the tire's load index.
Keith
Houston
Ridin'Texas
'04 Speedmaster
AI removed, Pingle, UNI Filter, 1 shim, straight-through slash-cut TORs, Stage 1 DynaJet, 140 mains, 3 turns, 16/42 final drive, 115K
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As for the numbers before the letter "H" on the tire sidewall - that would be the tire's load index.
Nope, that's wrong....the alpha character designates the speed rating of the tire..."H" = 130 max design speed - 210 test speed. the numerical character designates the Load Index sic: 57= 507 lbs (230 kg), 61= 567 lbs (257 kg), & etc.
So....an MC tire with a "71H" would have a load Index of 71 = 761 lbs (345 kg) with a speed rating of 130 mph (design)/210 mph (test).
Here's the charts: MC tire Size/Speed & Load Ratings Charts
Karl
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