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TEC Bike Parts center stand?
#481531 02/26/2012 2:05 PM
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Anyone installed a TEC Bike Parts center stand on their America? I like the idea of a center stand, but how easy is it to get the bike up? I find the side stand hard to reach, but at 5'6" 150 pounds with a 32" inseam I wonder if I have the oomph and clearance get my 04 America up on a center stand either astride or beside.

I started out years ago on a Yamaha Sport 305 with both a side and a center stand, and I could easily put it on the center stand from the left side, but that was many years and a lot of wear and tear ago.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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philwarner #481532 02/26/2012 4:41 PM
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I've got a centre stand from Norman Hyde here in the UK that I have used for over a year. He also does a grab handle a bit like on a BMW. It works well and I can even put it on the stand when fully loaded. Never caught it on the road either so must be well designed.


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I thought Dwight bought one of their stands off ebay.


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dobs #481534 02/26/2012 6:31 PM
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I've got a centre stand from Norman Hyde here in the UK that I have used for over a year. He also does a grab handle a bit like on a BMW. It works well and I can even put it on the stand when fully loaded. Never caught it on the road either so must be well designed.




They have a web site at http://tecbikeparts.com/Triumph_parts_7.html and show a lifting handle there that looks just like the one at the Norman Hyde site so it may be a US outlet of the same company.

I started riding 35 years ago on a Yamaha Sport 305 that came with both side and center stands with a lifting handle built into the frame, and I could easily put it on the center stand from the left side with a combination of pressing down on the 305 center stand’s welded on arm with my foot while lifting up and back on the lifting handle; The center stand's arm had a bend on the end that acted as a lever to help lift as you pressed down with your foot, but I don’t see a similar shape on this stand’s arm.

So you did get the lifting handle? Does it take a lot of brute force to lift the bike up or does it lift up and back easily? Any idea how much force is required? A center stand would make things like checking the oil a lot easier with the bike upright.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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philwarner #481535 02/26/2012 8:45 PM
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Phil: I was really annoyed that my 02 America didn't come with a center stand. Mostly because it made it difficult to work on my chain. But they weren't even available then.
I've never worried about the oil level. The bike just doesn't leak or burn oil. And if I was worried, it wasn't too hard to pull it up while checking the level. What I ended up doing was buying a bike/atv lift from Sears for $100 bucks. I can service my chain and work on the rest of my bike easily. Lifting it up makes it a lot easer to wash
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Phil: I was really annoyed that my 02 America didn't come with a center stand. Mostly because it made it difficult to work on my chain. But they weren't even available then.
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I got an answer from Dave at tecbikeparts saying they are not affiliated with Norman Hyde and their products are not the same. He didn't know how much force it took to lift an America on their stand but said no one had complained and they offer a full refund if you are not satisfied.

I also saw a center stand on the fast eddy site at http://www.fasteddysports.com/?page_id=3&product_id=27 that has an arm more like my old 305's stand that you can step on to help lift the bike, but it is also $100 more than the tecbikeparts stand. I might consider buying tec's and adding to or replacing its arm if it is too heavy for me.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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philwarner #481537 02/28/2012 11:05 AM
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I saw the discount offer from tecbikeparts' Dave hill that FriarJohn posted in the vendor's section and I ordered a center stand kit and lifting handle from Dave. With the 10% discount it was like getting the lifting handle free.

I'll report the results when I get them installed.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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You got it installed yet? I'm anxious to hear about it and see pics. I emailed them (through ebay) if they had pics or why I should buy theirs instead of the Rivco or Norman Hyde, and price was about all they could tell me.

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Soren, I purchased one of these a few months back, and I here was my review of it in an earlier thread....

http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...part=3&vc=1

Btw, there is one addendum I will add to my earlier positive review here, and that would be that since stating in that earlier review that I haven't grounded the stand's deployment lever in left-leaning twisties, I now have done so in a few instances when I'm REALLY leanin' my bike over into 'em at considerable speed.

(...but then again, I've only done that on "my own personal little racetrack", aka a particular section AZ HWY-89 known as White Spar Pass near my home here in Prescott, and where I know every foot of this 14 mile section of this highway...if ya catch my drift!)


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How jarring was the scrape? Any worse than pegs or footboards?


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Soren, I purchased one of these a few months back, and I here was my review of it in an earlier thread....

http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...part=3&vc=1

Btw, there is one addendum I will add to my earlier positive review here, and that would be that since stating in that earlier review that I haven't grounded the stand's deployment lever in left-leaning twisties, I now have done so in a few instances when I'm REALLY leanin' my bike over into 'em at considerable speed.

(...but then again, I've only done that on "my own personal little racetrack", aka a particular section AZ HWY-89 known as White Spar Pass near my home here in Prescott, and where I know every foot of this 14 mile section of this highway...if ya catch my drift!)




Saw the photo of your bike in the other thread, Dwight, and sure liked the shape of those knee pads with more rounded front edges than the ones I see on Flea-bay. Are those Triumph OEM items or another supplier.

Also, did your center stand mount OK and have enough forward angle to be stable? I just tried one on my 04 and it stops with the stand vertical and it won't swing up past the frame rail ends (or down if you bolt it on in the up position)


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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How jarring was the scrape? Any worse than pegs or footboards?




Not too bad and not all that often John, but of course because our pegs and floorboards are hinged, there's a slight difference between grounding those(and I grind the tips of my pegs all the time on White Spar) than there is grounding something that's only swings up so far and then hits it's stop. However, from what I've read around here about the Rivco stands, the owners of those say they ground theirs at even moderate speed in lefthanders.

Bottom line, all in all I like this center stand and would recommend its purchase.


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Thanks Phil. I actually took some rubber car floor mats and cut those out of that a few years back. Basically I just followed the shape of the knee indent area of the gas tank and recessed it about an inch back from that all around and from the bottom of the tank.

And re the center stand. I know what you mean about this issue. I haven't mentioned the following before, but yeah, I did run into a similar issue with mine when I was bolting it up.

What I did to get it to swing forward enough was to take my bench grinder and ground down the two little stopping "nubs" about 1/16 inch or so along the side of 'em that swing along the bottom of the bike's frame rail. That allowed the stand to swing a little more forward before the those nubs land up against that section of the frame rail.

There still appears to be plenty enough of those nubs left to be strong and sturdy enough to support the whole structure whenever the stand is being engaged.

I do think an alternate plan might be to slightly grind down the bottom and back corner of that frame rail mounting area enough to allow those nubs to engage further forward.

Yeah, it does seem a slight shame that one has to do this to get these stands to work perfectly, but I've just chalked this all up in the "Minor/Personal Preference Adjustment" column.


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... re the center stand. I know what you mean about this issue. I haven't mentioned the following before, but yeah, I did run into a similar issue with mine when I was bolting it up.

What I did to get it to swing forward enough was to take my bench grinder and ground down the two little stopping "nubs" about 1/16 inch or so along the side of 'em that swing along the bottom of the bike's frame rail. That allowed the stand to swing a little more forward before the those nubs land up against that section of the frame rail.

There still appears to be plenty enough of those nubs left to be strong and sturdy enough to support the whole structure whenever the stand is being engaged.

I do think an alternate plan might be to slightly grind down the bottom and back corner of that frame rail mounting area enough to allow those nubs to engage further forward.

Yeah, it does seem a slight shame that one has to do this to get these stands to work perfectly, but I've just chalked this all up in the "Minor/Personal Preference Adjustment" column.




Dwight, would you mind if I send your comment about having to grind the stop pins to the US distributor? Did grinding the pins a 1/16 inch also let them clear the end of the frame rails and swing past them OK? I'd much rather grind the stand than my America's frame if that fixes both problems.

It appears my stand is not an aberration then, but a day-one problem with the design that could be easily corrected on future stands; getting them to alter their fixtures would save other America owners the lost time and frustration we've had - well at least that I've had lying on the cement in my cramped bike shed and taking photos to send to the distributor. The best solution would be for them to correct the design and I am willing to wait if Dave can effect the change and send another stand to verify the correct spacing.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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Good idea about forwarding my comments to the distributor, Phil. Yep, it seems all they'd have to do is move those stop pins(nubs) down about that 1/16" to 1/8" from the pivot point in order for the stand to work properly right out of the box.


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Good idea about forwarding my comments to the distributor, Phil. Yep, it seems all they'd have to do is move those stop pins(nubs) down about that 1/16" to 1/8" from the pivot point in order for the stand to work properly right out of the box.




Ok, it's done. I'll report his response. I hadn't yet gotten a reply to the photos I sent him, but with two stands that didn't work for the same reason, he may be more inclined to act.

In the mean time is anyone aware of any frame changes from 2002 to now that might affect the way a center stand would fit? I'm thinking it would have to be a change in the lower frame diameter or in the location of the holes to affect the stand's stop position.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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As far as I know, the frame has been the same from '02 to 2011. The 2011's and '12s might even be the same.

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As far as I know, the frame has been the same from '02 to 2011. The 2011's and '12s might even be the same.




I had a reply from Dave at tecbikeparts usa who offered me a full refund including shipping costs both ways or a 50% refund on the stand if I decide to modify it as Dwight did. I chose the 50% refund and will do the grinding of the stop pins and then determine if they need to be welded on the back sides to restore their original strength.

I uploaded the photos posted in the parallel thread about the fitting problems to a new album on photobucket and sent the link to Dave to pass on to tecbikeparts UK. The photos are at http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/philwarner42/tecbikeparts%20America%20center%20stand/ and include one of the stand installed in the up position where the stop pins hit the end of the frame and won't swing down.

I hope that the UK contingent will modify their fixtures to achieve a wider spacing so others will not have to do any modification themselves. If anyone would like to see the full email conversations with Dave, I will ask his permission; I didn't want to post his actual answers without his consent, but he does seem genuinely concerned about setting things right although he is not in the design/manufacturing loop.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K
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That's interesting. A UK division. And no connection to the Norman Hyde centerstand. Hmmmmm... Looks exactly the same...


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That's interesting. A UK division. And no connection to the Norman Hyde centerstand. Hmmmmm... Looks exactly the same...




I agree It does look like the Hyde stand and so does the grab handle, but he says there's no affiliation; I believe the statement was "he does his thing, and we do ours".

I found that grinding .100" off the .397 dia stop pins, making a flat that is perpendicular to the welded brace gusset, makes the stand stop at 15 degrees to the ground forward of the pivot point with the flat essentially parallel to the bottom of the frame. It took a pretty good oomph to roll it off the stand so I think this is the way it was intended to fit.

The stands' foot pads were sitting on their back edges at this angle, though, so I took it off and whacked them with a hammer to bend the edges up a bit; the new paint is drying as I type. I think it will work fine as soon as I get the rubber bumper stop from Dave that someone forgot to include and for which he profusely apologized.


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You got it installed yet? I'm anxious to hear about it and see pics. I emailed them (through ebay) if they had pics or why I should buy theirs instead of the Rivco or Norman Hyde, and price was about all they could tell me.




final update (I hope)

I received the missing rubber stop today and installed my modified stand with the stop pins ground .100 to form flats perpendicular to the brace gussets (photos below).

Taking .100 off the pin diameters set the stand at 15 degrees to the ground with the rear tire just off the ground when my bike is on the center stand, and it takes a healthy push to roll it off the stand. I like the stability that gives, but others might want to try a bit less grinding and shoot for 10 degrees to leave more rear tire clearance. Also, at 15 degrees the end of the lever arm on the left side is also on the ground, so TEC may have intended 10 degrees rather than 15.

Here's a stop pin with ground flat after painting



Here's the bike on the modified stand



Measuring the resulting stand angle at 15 degrees



Right foot pad at 15 degrees (I did whack the back edge up a bit before painting)



Left foot pad on ground at 15 degrees (whacked it too)



Lever arm also on the ground at 15 degrees



I really like the stand after doing a little work to it. With my bike on the stand the rear wheel turns to work on the chain, I can check the oil level without fear of the bike getting away from me, and on rainy Saturdays I can sit in the bike shed on that nice Corbin seat, lean back, prop my feet up on the highway pegs, and imagine cruising down route 66 while listening to Car Talk on PBS.


Phil in Northwest Arkansas 04 America, Black, Corbin seat, TORs, no AI, 34K

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