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Jason, I said that the first day. It is starting to grow on me though.
Triumph is not competing with Victory. Triumph goes for where they can make a profit and sell more bikes. They really don't compete with anybody. In that respect they are like Victory. Neither company is trying to be somebody else.
Personally, I think ya gotta like that aspect of a bike company.
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Triumph is not competing with Victory.
Of course they're not, at 3000-4000 bikes a year over a range of 10-12 models (or whatever), Victory doesn't even register on Triumph's radar ... nor on anyone else's, for that matter.
The mega cruiser market is dominated by HD and it's a piece of that pie Victory are after.
From motorcycle-usa.com regarding the Judge ... "Victory reps made no bones about having the Fat Boy in their sites".
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They make cruisers that the Thunderbird can't run away from, touring bikes that Triumph has forgotten to make and they are made in America.
They are not a sport bike company and apparently feel that after you ride your starter bike a while you can aspire to buy a Victory when you want a real bike. 
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Triumph "forgot" to make a touring bike?!
Did you forget Triumph builds the largest displacement production touring bike on the planet?
And lets call it like it is, Victorys are assembled in America for marketing reasons. Aside from the engine the vast majority of parts are outsourced...right down to the Chinese wiring harness on the Vegas I was looking at.
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that is not a touring bike, its a bagger. Hard lowers for wind control, vented shield, stereo w/Ipad,mp3 jacks/big pillion with speakers, heated grips and seats option, navigation option. You can tour on anything. That is a big bike with bags on it.  Which one would a wife want to sit for 1000 miles on? This is one tourer, the Vision is the good touring bike. But the rocket is faster! As if that matters when touring. Now we will start with all the little bikes you tour on 
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Triumph is not competing with Victory. Triumph goes for where they can make a profit and sell more bikes. They really don't compete with anybody. In that respect they are like Victory. Neither company is trying to be somebody else.
Personally, I think ya gotta like that aspect of a bike company.
Ok, lets see...
Victory builds only cruisers and touring bikes...just like Harley.
Victory only builds V-twin engines...just like Harley.
Victory motorcycles are designed to compete directly with Harley and are openly marketed as such.
Harley Davidson's signature is the V-twin engine and it is an element every Japanes cruiser manufacturer has copied...along with Victory.
Triumph and to include one other well respected motorcycle manufacturer BMW have designed their own unique engines and bikes.
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that is not a touring bike, its a bagger. Hard lowers for wind control, vented shield, stereo w/Ipad,mp3 jacks/big pillion with speakers, heated grips and seats option, navigation option.
You can tour on anything. That is a big bike with bags on it.
Says Rocket III TOURING right on it!
And it doesnt look like a science fiction prop. 
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Which one would a wife want to sit for 1000 miles on? This is one tourer, the Vision is the good touring bike. But the rocket is faster! As if that matters when touring.
Now we will start with all the little bikes you tour on
My wife rides her own bike and she is quite skilled and capable. So road couches the size of Buicks do not interest us, but to each their own...
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If all you know about the Freedom V twin is its a V your point works.
Did Triumph copy BMW for the shaft, did they copy Honda with the fuel injection, does my bike have Japanese carbs on it? The America and Speedmaster went directly after the Sportster market. Everybody knows that. The Thunderbird was too tall with too many cylinders and didn't look like a Harley thus the change.
So are you saying Victory is making knockoffs? You really need to learn more about the Vic drive line. There is nothing in it similar to Honda or Harley. It is their own motor.
I find it interesting how Triumph makes so many bikes that that makes them better than those that make fewer bikes. Maybe we should continue that thought. Honda and Harley probably think of Triumph as a mere annoyance.
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That is what I said. They made that silly big thing and put a badge on it. A badge does not make a bike. It is a not a touring bike. Its a big bike with a windshield. If you don't tour that would be why you don't know the difference.
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Triumph is not competing with Victory.
Of course they're not, at 3000-4000 bikes a year over a range of 10-12 models (or whatever), Victory doesn't even register on Triumph's radar ... nor on anyone else's, for that matter.
The mega cruiser market is dominated by HD and it's a piece of that pie Victory are after.
From motorcycle-usa.com regarding the Judge ... "Victory reps made no bones about having the Fat Boy in their sites".
Could you show us the financials for Triumph for their numbers during the recession. Not a news article, the numbers. Triumph dropped over 20,000 bikes a year for 3 years in the recession but will not even talk about it. I am surprised you pushed so hard for numbers on Victory.
Please provide the Triumph financials for 2011. Its only fair.
Nobody outside of England or Georgia knows how many bikes Triumph does or does not make. The extracted numbers for Victory are right around 9,000 for 2011, a whole lot less than Triumph we think.
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So are you saying Victory is making knockoffs?
Yes.
But they are very good knockoffs.
I rode a few and actually considered buying one (the Vegas). But then I thought well if this is what I want I should just get the real thing. I really like the Harley Wide Glide. In the end I decided to ignore the flash and marketing and go my own way. 
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The extracted numbers for Victory are right around 9,000 for 2011
Are you saying they more than doubled up from 2010. Try again. Do the math.
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Triumph dropped over 20,000 bikes a year for 3 years in the recession but will not even talk about it.
Are you saying they are building less than zero bikes now ... again do the math.
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I am surprised you pushed so hard for numbers on Victory.
I didn't, I asked once ... then provided them myself (the official Polaris one - not magazine or tv articles)... since it seemingly otherwise couldn't be found.
and only because the Victory brand was constantly being plugged and misrepresented (by giving us Polaris snowmobile financials) as a resounding success when their own official report shows a major slump in bikes (over 43 per cent slump from peak).
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Please provide the Triumph financials for 2011. Its only fair.
Why? I wasn't comparing. I was countering the Victory so-called "success" story. Kindly re-read my point.
Besides, I already dug up the Victory numbers (which where deliberately ignored).
If you really want to compare (which I didn't and don't), don't get me to provide reports each time, do your own research (not magazines etc. remember  ).
I'ts only fair.
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20,000 bikes down each year was not meant to say 60000. My bad. But we will never know how Triumph is doing as Mr. Bloor has never shared his numbers, just leaked percentages with no validation of them. If they were at 60000 which I suspect is just silly numbers released as rumor the market tanked by nearly 30% or 20000.
Victory is at 9000 for 2011. Your math disregarded out of the sale number they reduced the purchase and investment of Indian. In 2009 you are right, they were down to about 4000 bikes sold. It was dismal.
I am just trying to figure how production numbers mean good or bad for a company with you guys.
If the more you make is how good you are then Harley makes the best bikes in the world.
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So are you saying Victory is making knockoffs?
Yes.
But they are very good knockoffs.
I rode a few and actually considered buying one (the Vegas). But then I thought well if this is what I want I should just get the real thing. I really like the Harley Wide Glide. In the end I decided to ignore the flash and marketing and go my own way.
Because is has a V motor? Never thought of that.
I guess any internal combustion motor would be a knockoff of the invention of Gottlieb Daimler then
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Victory is at 9000 for 2011. Your math disregarded out of the sale number they reduced the purchase and investment of Indian.
Sorry, haven't a clue what you are talking about. Your second sentence confuses me.
Where does the 9000 figure come from? Certainly not from Polaris/Victory.
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I am just trying to figure how production numbers mean good or bad for a company with you guys.
For my part I was just countering the BS about how succesful Victory has been, when the numbers show the opposite.
I'm not commenting on the bikes themselves since I don't really have an educated opinion. other than I think most of them are ugly - but that's subjective.
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Their motorcycle sales were 111M. They have about 35 million so far in Indian with no return yet. One of the dealers at a meeting in Spirit Lake said the median price point is $12,500. The sales numbers are what they sell to the dealers not the retail numbers from dealers.
Vegas, Kingpin, Highball, 8balls ect are the low end where Vision, Cross Country, Cross Roads were the high end.
Anyhow 111,000,000/12500 leaves you with 8880 units. I figure that is close because of another press conference they did where they expected to exceed their biggest year 2006 of 10000 units but fell just short of that.
Anyhow the dealer I know says they got over 9k units this year and figures with the cross bikes they will easily do more than 10k units in 2012.
That is why I answered Triumph is 5x bigger than Victory.
I do think a company to spend 1/3 of its life selling a luxury item in recession to be in the black is pretty impressive. I also think they are here to stay.
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Their motorcycle sales were 111M.
Anyhow the dealer I know says they got over 9k units ...
If your dealer told you 111M and 9k units he probably has a drinking problem.
In Polaris' 2012 (for 2011) report they state revenues of 156M for 2011 for the ON ROAD division (Victory is part of that, as are several other entities).
Check their report.
If you knock off around 70M for Gemcar INC and Goupil Industries which are included in the ON ROAD division (and their report on revenues).
You are already down to 86M.
Knock off another say 10M for Indian. That's 500 units (a wild guess - but I doubt they sold less) at $20.000 wholesale price.
That leaves with a mere 76M out of the total of 156M for the division.
From this 76M you also knock off whatever revenues they got from the Polaris Breeze (also within the ON Road division) prior to them axing it within 2011.
Those are the components that will give you a ball park figure of what Victory (which is what we are taking about) did in 2011.
A far cry from 111M your dealer is telling you. Closer to half of that.
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I do think a company to spend 1/3 of its life selling a luxury item in recession to be in the black is pretty impressive.
I agree, but we don't know that. Their giant parent Polaris could easily be subsidizing that operation.
I doubt we could ever obtain their operating cost structures but either way that's beyond the scope of my point.
Good luck to them.
In 30 years they'll probably have a heritage to take to the bank or they'll be a pretty cool collectors item.
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156M in sales not outlay for Gemcar. Their total sales for the 4th 1/4 on road were 35 million where Vic said it was almost all Victory with modest numbers from Indian and Gemcar.
70 million for Gemcar? 3000 cars a year from a broke Gemcar spun off to Polaris from a broke Chrysler who needed to sell it or close it? It had the same value as Buell 0. Polaris to my knowledge didn't sell a single Gemcar in 2011 other than orders placed earlier via Chrysler. They didn't own it til August. You really think they paid 70M for it. . I have not seen that number anyplace but you may be right.
They finished Indian orders only in 2011. So you figure they sold 500 Indians and 4000 Victory bikes?
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156M in sales ... not outlay for Gemcar ...
That's what I said. That's the total for the ON ROAD division (to include Goupil, Gemcar, Indian, Victory and the Polaris Breeze), as reflected in Polaris' 2012 for 2011 annual report.
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Polaris to my knowledge didn't sell a single Gemcar in 2011 other than orders placed earlier via Chrysler. They didn't own it til August.
They don't have to. When you acquire a company (as they did Goupil, Gemcar and Indian), as a subsidiary you inherit and include their current balance sheet and sales figures. Then you reflect them as your own.
As did Polaris and rightly so.
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You really think they paid 70M for it. . I have not seen that number anyplace but you may be right.
I didn't say that. I have not mentioned payments or investments anywhere. They are irrelevent to this discussion regarding sales figures and revenues.
That was the combined revenue of Goupil of France and Gemcar which be included in the 156M total revenues for the ON Road section of the Polaris Annual Report (2012 for 2011).
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They finished Indian orders only in 2011.
Correct and I'm referring to the Polaris 2012 report for 2011.
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So you figure they sold 500 Indians ...
As I said, that was a wild guess on my part, but I wouldn't think it was less.
I think I was being conservative.
I don't think it an unreasonable "guestimate" that Indian could have sold 500 bikes last year.
If it was more, then the Victory sales numbers would be correspondingly even lower.
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and 4000 Victory bikes?
That's if Indian didn't sell more than 500 bikes (I strongly suspect they did) and if we use your median wholesale sales price ($12,500) to dealers, probably somewhere in that region.
I do think 12500 was rather low, but have no reason to dispute it.
Here's another thought ...
Since Polaris have deep pockets and have produced a pretty solid (reliable) engine in the Victorys, if they restyle the Indian bikes and expand the model range, they would be able to make a killing on the basis of the brand name and heritage alone.
They have both the capacity and experience in bike building now.
They would achieve what the Gilroy operation couldn't, almost 10 years back (when they failed).
Perhaps that's the plan, rather than keeping Indian a niche product.
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that is not a touring bike, its a bagger. Hard lowers for wind control, vented shield, stereo w/Ipad,mp3 jacks/big pillion with speakers, heated grips and seats option, navigation option.
You can tour on anything. That is a big bike with bags on it.
Says Rocket III TOURING right on it!
And it doesnt look like a science fiction prop.
The Rocket 3 is the ugliest motorcycle currently in production IMHO. And it handles like a wheelbarrow full of sand. Fast in a straight line - yes. But who rides in a atraight line?
PS, they don't exactly sell a lot of them.
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That is what I said. They made that silly big thing and put a badge on it. A badge does not make a bike. It is a not a touring bike. Its a big bike with a windshield. If you don't tour that would be why you don't know the difference.
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Because is has a V motor? Never thought of that.
I guess any internal combustion motor would be a knockoff of the invention of Gottlieb Daimler then
I guess I should explain since I'm kinda new here. I'm just bustin Victory's chops because this is a Triumph forum and we are talking about "other" bikes. If we were face to face you could tell my humor intent.
In my opinion (and everyone has one) Victory's 106 Freedom engine is the best air cooled V-twin in production. I researched the bike, rode a few and was impressed. The day I bought my Triumph I went to the local Victory dealer first because it had come down to a Vegas 8-ball or a Triumph America. I was trading in a "knockoff" bike (a loaded, garage kept 2002 Honda Shadow ACE} The Victory dealer told me to come back next week because the the guy who appraised trades was on vacation! My wife and I were the only 2 in the dealership that fine saturday morning sales, parts or service depts. I said "well if they blow you off when you are trying to buy a new bike imagine if you need them to help with a problem!" We then got on our bikes and rode 3 hours to Raleigh NC Because Ray Price Triumph had an America on the showroom floor. It was late by the time we got there so I rode my brand new Triumph home on Carolina back roads the next day. I am not a patient man. By the way Ray Price is an outstanding dealer, they sell 2 brands Triumph and Harley Davidson.
Victory needs a 900cc bike in their line (opinion) something basic light and nimble like a Sportster. It's good to see Harley finally investing in and expanding their Sportster line I looked at them to but the wheel base is too short and at 6'1" felt cramped.
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The Rocket 3 is the ugliest motorcycle currently in production IMHO.
Nope!
Buck Rogers your new bike is here!
Thanks for posting that beautiful machine OB, I've got TWO of those rocket ships, and they FLY!
We've put over 41,000 miles on the Visions in the past 2 years in 24 states and Canada. A TRUE touring bike that handles pretty sporty. 
I used to ride with a buddy that had an R3 and he couldn't keep up with me in the twisties on my old Kingpin. He'd be lost trying to follow a Vision through the twisties! 
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I think if you took a poll of big bike people asking them to list touring vs. cruisers. Then ask them to rate them best to last.
I think the ones on top would be with
Fairings
Hard bags
Tail bags
Floor Boards
Hard lowers
Big pillion
Big stereo
Heated grips
Heated seats
Aux electrics
You can tour on anything. I tour on my TBA. The air craft carriers are just better for it.
You can probably still do it but I don't see anybody ordering a new car in Arizona telling them to take the radio and AC out of the car.
Big baggers sell, people want them. If the creature comforts didn't sell they surely would not put them on the bikes.
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Ugly is a matter of form not function. I would say the R3 is clearly the 2nd most ugly bike Triumph has ever invented. The Tiger wins the ugly girl contest IMHO for all motorcycles. But now I am thinking the Hard Ball ranks right up there too. The Vision is a work of Art. It is beautiful. The problem many, including me, have is it just doesn't look like a motorcycle because it breaks so many molds and boundaries. Having ridden them though. There is function in all that form. I think this is a fabulous looking cruiser. 
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I think if you took a poll of big bike people asking them to list touring vs. cruisers. Then ask them to rate them best to last.
I think the ones on top would be with
Fairings
Hard bags
Tail bags
Floor Boards
Hard lowers
Big pillion
Big stereo
Heated grips
Heated seats
Aux electrics
You can tour on anything. I tour on my TBA. The air craft carriers are just better for it.
You can probably still do it but I don't see anybody ordering a new car in Arizona telling them to take the radio and AC out of the car.
Big baggers sell, people want them. If the creature comforts didn't sell they surely would not put them on the bikes.
No argument from me about any of that.
Perhaps it's me but in my mind if a bike gets over 700-750lbs (wet) it has gone beyond being a motorcycle (that's motor "cycle").
I guess it could also be a European thing (other than the odd exception)... we don't feel we need 900-plus lbs behemoths or the trend never "caught on".
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I think this is a fabulous looking cruiser.
Not for me ... too much like the HD Road King.
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Blessed are those eyes that have seen more roads than any man! (Homer).
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Fe Butt
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I guess it could also be a European thing (other than the odd exception)... we don't feel we need 900-plus lbs behemoths or the trend never "caught on".
Yep Thanassis. That right there is pretty much the bottom line in all this here.
Yep, it's kinda like why the behemoths like this one here never caught on in Europe either....
(...but then again, Europe doesn't really have the vast open flat plains of the American Midwest either, and where one can cruise endlessly in a dead straight line for hours upon hours in states such as Kansas, Nebraska or west Texas without having to turn a steering wheel or a handlebar...NOT to mention the idea that we Yanks have always gotten a MUCH better deal in regard to our gasoline prices than YOU poor guys over there in Europe ever did!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Loquacious
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... NOT to mention the idea that we Yanks have always gotten a MUCH better deal in regard to our gasoline prices than YOU poor guys over there in Europe ever did!)
Dakkit Dwight ... did you have to rub it in?
Bedouin.
Blessed are those eyes that have seen more roads than any man! (Homer).
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Yep, folks are all different and none are right or wrong. in the TBA/Speedy class just look at our group. 1/2 as soon as they get the bike start unbolting, torching, and painting stuff out of the bike. The others start adding windshields, boards, lowers, big hard bags and stereos.
All, midway through the process think they are making the coolest best bike that ever was. Well it is, for the owner. That is the way its supposed to be.
Dwight and I have had that conversation before. I can ride 500 miles before I turn anyplace. He lives on a mountain. He needs a land yacht about as much as I need a canyon carver.
Different places, needs, and taste. That is what makes it fun.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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New Tires
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Saxstron, I don't disagree, but San Antonio ain't far from the Texas Hill Country.
Last edited by MACMC; 03/18/2012 3:07 PM.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Monkey Butt
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I ride the 3 sisters several times a year. I have have fun on what I have without a sport bike. But for the most part we don't live in the mountains.
Texas Hill Country is a blast to ride around. Not near like racing down the mountains around Dwight's houses though.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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Adjunct
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I think if you took a poll of big bike people asking them to list touring vs. cruisers. Then ask them to rate them best to last.
I think the ones on top would be with
Fairings
Hard bags
Tail bags
Floor Boards
Hard lowers
Big pillion
Big stereo
Heated grips
Heated seats
Aux electrics
You can tour on anything. I tour on my TBA. The air craft carriers are just better for it.
You can probably still do it but I don't see anybody ordering a new car in Arizona telling them to take the radio and AC out of the car.
Big baggers sell, people want them. If the creature comforts didn't sell they surely would not put them on the bikes.
Too much tupperware for my taste.
Too much weight (even BMWs top touring bike weighs over 760 lbs! Big bike people? Well I'm 6ft 1in and 240lbs so do I qualify as a big bike person
Maybe it's those years as a kid riding Honda XR and CR dirt bikes and appreciating a simple, basic agile motorcycle.
Since my wife rides her own bike I dont need a road couch for 2. We have 2 small saddle bags on each bike and if we go for a few days we belt on a 3rd larger bag to the pillion. For Electronics we have smart phones each bike has a 12v charger outlet wired into a saddle bag and the helmets are bluetooth linked (ScalaRider) for navigation, calls, music, bike-to-bike intercom etc. Each bike has a windshield and Powerlet outlet for heated clothing if needed.
Really if you need more comfort just take the car.
Of course that's just my preference in bikes younger riders on sport bikes would scoff at both touring and cruisers...
2011 Triumph America (10/2011 to 07/2014)
2012 Harley Davidson 1200C Sportster
2014 Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I always love when people say someone's bike couldn't keep up with theirs. How about you swap bikes and try it again, to eliminate the rider's experience from the equation? I've blown away 1200 sportsters and full size Harleys on my America. More than anything the rider was the factor. Pure and simple. My friend Eric with the 1300 Honda VTX? He spanked my ass*. You know why?
He was trying.
*Addendum: in a straight line. I ate his lunch on Beartooth Pass.
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Loquacious
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Of course that's just my preference in bikes younger riders on sport bikes would scoff at both touring and cruisers...
Indeed, this is the bottom line here. To each his own. If you're out on 2 wheels it's all good.
Kevin - Luceo Non Uro
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Monkey Butt
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Big bike people?
People who own and shop for touring bikes.
You knew exactly what it meant by the rest of your response. 
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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