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Is it just me or is the hp and torque rating missing? Can't wait to pull up next to one of those at a stoplight on my Rocket. EDIT: Oh, it's in the text, not the specs. 113 torque. Yay. 
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ohh yes..but i know which one id be lookin @....
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Hey look its a v-twin in a thunderbird.
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Is it just me or is the hp and torque rating missing? Can't wait to pull up next to one of those at a stoplight on my Rocket.
EDIT: Oh, it's in the text, not the specs. 113 torque. Yay.
Now now John, it's not big and it's not clever to gloat ... but it's difficult not to, eh? 
Nice bike though
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Those white letter tires and the rims give it a late 80's look. Looks sorts faunky to me.
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My first thought was that it had the silhouette of an America or Thunderbird. Looking closer I wonder what is going on with that rear fender and the big oval on the side. Victory makes a solid mechanical bike, I wish they would get some new designers. I can hardly wait for the transformer Ness edition. I am so glad I ride a Triumph.
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I wish they would get some new designers.
Thought it was just me...they just don't look right to me.
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I wish they would get some new designers.
Thought it was just me...they just don't look right to me.
+1 and always thought that.
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I can't get past the Waring Blender look of the jugs.
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Homely looking critter, it is. But I guess it goes like hell.
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i really don't care for the exhaust layout, could have been done much better
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I'd take a Thunderbird Storm over that any day, in that class/category.
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I wish they would get some new designers.
Thought it was just me...they just don't look right to me.
+1 and always thought that.
what they said
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Gotta say the gas tank is kinda nice lookin' and...and...and...hmmmmm...well I guess that's about all I can find that I like about the looks of THIS Victory.
(...sorry Polaris)
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I'd take a Thunderbird Storm over that any day, in that class/category.
I'd like to see a side-by-side dyno between those 2 bikes. 113 on the torque, the Judge should be very fast. 
Eh, this bike is not for me. I'm not into that 20th-century round headlight look.
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At least it's not a Hurley.
Looks like over 700lb wet. No thanks.
Still think think the original 8-Ball looks better.
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This is the bike we waited for with held breathe, as the Victory website countdown clock spun down? 
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At least it's not a Hurley.
Looks like over 700lb wet. No thanks.
Still think think the original 8-Ball looks better.
If I had to choose between just the 2 makes I would choose a Harley first, I like the looks much much better of HD.
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I kind of like it. I just don't understand the attraction of stacked exhaust pipes. I even like the tail light, but I see a "No Fat Chicks" sticker on that number plate sidecover. A Big Butt 'd cover up that light!
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What struck me was that the test rider seemed to be of the female persuasion (nothing wrong with that)
So all the 'real bikers' will be calling it a 'girls bike'
Just my opinion
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What struck me was that the test rider seemed to be of the female persuasion (nothing wrong with that)
So all the 'real bikers' will be calling it a 'girls bike'
Just my opinion
Well, maybe they should have called it the Judge Judy then. 
Hmmm... this will be the only Victory machine with mid controls. I'm wondering if those can be fitted to other bikes in their line-up to accomodate some of the shorter riders out there? 
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Well, maybe they should have called it the Judge Judy then.:
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At a 14k price I really don't like that bike. I like the Tank a lot and the wheels a little.
If you are going to call something a muscle bike it should have more muscle than anything else you make.
Like Triumph calling the Storm a muscle anything. Did they forget they make Rockets?
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Did you see the custom Zach Ness of the Judge ? Thats 110% better IMO then the stock Judge...(guess someone has been watching a lot of CafeRacerTV.com)
Klock Werks even did a sweet cafe racer!! Like that one too!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4...&permPage=1
WHOA!!! Now THAT Victory I LIKE!!!
(...though at my age they'd have to put some standard/superbike bars on it 'cause I'm not reaching down that low to steer these suckers around any more)
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Zack Ness and Lloyds got together on this one. 
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Like Triumph calling the Storm a muscle anything. Did they forget they make Rockets?
The Rocket is a niche product and definitely doesn't appeal to everyone. Heck, I'd rather have something that LOOKED like the Thunderbird Storm with the raw power and giggle-factor of the Rocket, but in the latter case form follows function: Take a giant motor and strap on enough bits to make it look vaguely motorcycle-ish. It's a whole other kind of statement. "Muscle bike" is just marketing-speak. It's more about (life)style than performance. Harley, Victory and Triumph (with the America/Speedy and Tbird) are all going after the same demographic. The derivative design and marketing all reflect this. Marketing/mindshare/image is the only reason Harley is still "winning" in this demo with ancient (pardon me, "nostalgic") and inferior technology and design. They're being dragged into the late 20th Century kicking and screaming. Victory is fighting an uphill battle and I'm not sure their superior engineering in their V-twin will save them. I hope it does, though.
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Zack Ness and Lloyds got together on this one.
That looks pretty cool.
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Ooooh, that's a sweet machine too, Ron! 
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Like Triumph calling the Storm a muscle anything. Did they forget they make Rockets?
The Rocket is a niche product and definitely doesn't appeal to everyone. Heck, I'd rather have something that LOOKED like the Thunderbird Storm with the raw power and giggle-factor of the Rocket, but in the latter case form follows function: Take a giant motor and strap on enough bits to make it look vaguely motorcycle-ish. It's a whole other kind of statement. "Muscle bike" is just marketing-speak. It's more about (life)style than performance. Harley, Victory and Triumph (with the America/Speedy and Tbird) are all going after the same demographic. The derivative design and marketing all reflect this. Marketing/mindshare/image is the only reason Harley is still "winning" in this demo with ancient (pardon me, "nostalgic") and inferior technology and design. They're being dragged into the late 20th Century kicking and screaming. Victory is fighting an uphill battle and I'm not sure their superior engineering in their V-twin will save them. I hope it does, though.
Pretty fair assessment, I'd say John. 
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It is a fair assessment. I think the GTO would not be the iconic badass vehicle if it had a hood scoop and a 283 small block in it.
It used to be when you stomped on something that was classified a muscle car tires were smoking. That falls a lot short when the same motor in the Vision is the same motor in the Judge.
Triumph got that concept just fine. They punched out the 1600 for it at very little cost to them but made a bigger version of the cruiser motor. (muscle cruiser)
Lloyds makes the victory motors put out 125HP without a ton of money. Victory needs to make a high output (Judge) motor.
Kinda like the folks buying that Screamin Chicken motor from HD.
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That falls a lot short when the same motor in the Vision is the same motor in the Judge.
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Lloyds makes the victory motors put out 125HP without a ton of money. Victory needs to make a high output (Judge) motor.
Kinda like the folks buying that Screamin Chicken motor from HD.
Technically Ron, the motor is slightly different between the Judge and the Vision.
The Judge (and most other Victory cruisers) get the 113 ft lb cams, the Vision and Cross bikes get the 109 ft lb cams. You don't miss 4 ft lbs of torque because the torque curve on the touring bikes is longer and flatter, meaning more torque through the useable range. 
You are 100% correct on Lloyd.
I know a bunch of guys that have had Lloydz cams dropped into Victory motors and have experienced a marked improvement in performance for a small investment. I think part of the reason Victory doesn't offer it from the factory is that Lloyd is SO good at what he does they realize anyone that wants it done will get the cams from him and have the bike custom-tuned. Hence the photo of Loyd posing with Zack Ness and the Judge!
Lloyd Greer is a motorhead of the highest order and I'm lucky to have him a short ride away if I ever want work done.
I considered getting the Lloydz cams for my Vision but honestly, it's already plenty torquey and fast for me.
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I get your point except nobody had to take the mustang and drop it at Shelby's shop to have it become a Shelby. Victory needs to do this stuff pre-packaged IMHO.
You bought your Shelby GT-350 at the Ford dealership. Ford made a mess of money on that bundling with an outside shop.
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I get your point except nobody had to take the mustang and drop it at Shelby's shop to have it become a Shelby. Victory needs to do this stuff pre-packaged IMHO.
You bought your Shelby GT-350 at the Ford dealership. Ford made a mess of money on that bundling with an outside shop.
Ron, I guess I never gave this much thought before.
I definitely see you point. But I gotta wonder how much the dealers would howl, since some of them make a lot of money doing the upgrades on pipes, cams, fuel controllers etc.
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Heh, the bike business ain't nuthin like the factory muscle car business... 
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