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Regulator Rectifier Problems Advice
#476220 01/14/2012 8:19 PM
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Hi all,

The last week starting Sunday morning and ending last Wed night was an interesting one for me to say the least.

I won't tell the entire story here now though cos it's multi facetted with a number of twists and turns. What I did want some help with though was deciding which option I should take now so as to get my bike back up and running again.

Basically what happened was, I was stranded in a small Aussie Town called Rylstone (approx' 150 Klm's NW of Sydney) whilst I waited for another after market regulator rectifier to arrive. This is obviously because cos the unit I did have decided it simply didn't want to play anymore.[/image]

Anyway, by itself that was fine cos the town was a little beauty, most of the people were great and I could just chill out and wait for the new part to arrive.

So thinking it would be a simple fix provided they sent me the same unit, the only car mechanic in Rylston said it shouldn't be any problems him sorting it out provided I organised the part.

Unfortunately what he said and what he felt like doing once the unit arrived were two different things. That's because after two days the new regulator did arrive and low and behold it has two plugs and more wires. Then the 'next to useless' naysayer mechanic who said he would sort it out for me all of a sudden decided he was just a bit too busy to help me out just now.

Right, "I wished he'd said that three days ago cos I would have had my bike taken to a bike shop 70klm's south and not stuffed around being involved with this goon.

So, not knowing what the wiring on the old unit was like given it's hard to see and access when you're working on the ground (not lifted up) and you're out in the hot Aussie sun, I commence getting to work trying to replace it myself. Well after 10 minutes I was able to unplug the old unit and like I said, the wiring is different isn't it.

That's when I though I might see if that weasel of a mechanic might just have some knowledge in auto electrical stuff but nooooo, "I've got no idea" was his unsurprising reply.

Great. Here I am getting sunburnt the bejesus out of, my back is telling me get me some more pain meds into ya, and I've got this mechanic bloke who I want to snot just because he a useless wanker who I'd wished had said I should take my bike elsewhere.

Well rather than make the situation worse even though if I was a betting man I probably could have rewired the old plug, I decided to err on the side of caution and simply organis a tow home via flat bed truck. After all it free and covered by my roadside service membership.

Alright then, I've been home for a few days and now I'd really appreciate if there was any real mechanics out there who didn't mind helping me out.

So this is the go, as you can see I have taken a photo of both regulators below and which you may notice the now u/s unit on the left has only one connector with 3 x yellow wires, 1 x red and 1 x black. The new unit on the right on the other hand has two plugs with one plug having 3 x yellow wires whilst the other plug has 2 x green and 2 x red wires.

Like I said, my hunch is this: The 3 x yellow wires mimic the other units 3 x yellow wires. That leaves the old unit with one red or positive wire and one black or negative wire. Well to me it appears the new unit simply has an extra positive (red) and negative (green) wire which I don't reckon would be that hard to cut and splice the male plug onto. That's of course if the wires do match as I've explained.

So the advice I'm after is, i.e. Do the yellow wires of both units match as they appear they should? Similarly, are the red wires of both units compatible and is the black of the original unit compatible with the green wires?

One thing I don't want to do is make the situation worse i.e. cutting and splicing the incorrect wires together and perhaps doing more damage to my electrics.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out here and btw, if you aren't certain please say cos another week either exchanging the unit or confirming the wiring is right, is no big deal.

Stacka


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Re: Regulator Rectifier Problems Advice
Stacka #476221 01/14/2012 8:56 PM
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Stacka, your picture didn't work out so I made it work.



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Keith #476222 01/14/2012 10:40 PM
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Thanks for letting me know Keith. I fixed mine up too as you've probably seen by now. Hopefully I'll get some auto electrical type gurus who'll send me in the right direction otherwise I'll return it for the same one as they provided two years back.


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Stacka #476223 01/14/2012 11:00 PM
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Hey Stacka, looks like they sent the WRONG part. this is the part No from triumph's parts list.
T1300819
That is different to that on your new one!!

The wiring diagram for speedmaster/america only shows 5 wires from the rectifier.Sorry but, my copy of the wiring diagram does not clearly show the colours.
pm me your email address and I will send you copies of these docs if you need them

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dollarbill #476224 01/15/2012 6:44 AM
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Thanks Bill. FYI both R/R's you see are after market models cos the last one to break down was ordered by a mechanic. I simply asked them for the same model to be sent so the wiring would be identical. Thanks for telling me the oem has only 5 wires too cos that's what i needed to be sent to me when I was broke down in Rylstone. I'm now going to give the stockist from Gosford a call tomorrow so I can get the right one sent this time.

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Re: Regulator Rectifier Problems Advice
Stacka #476225 01/15/2012 8:53 AM
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Looks like the unit in the photo has double regulated outputs and a common three phase input. I'd bet it's for a bike where one half of the output lead goes directly to the battery and the other to the fuse block. Either that or it's doubled to handle a big current flow (and that might be a good thing).


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oldroadie #476226 01/15/2012 9:45 PM
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I agree with Oldroadie. Double positive and negative wires helps with the load - won't do any harm. Isn't this your third R/R? Next time you might consider the Yamaha R1 mosfet R/R - very good upgrade from the standard style R/R.

Oh .... commisserations for the frustrating time with that useless mechanic.

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Re: Regulator Rectifier Problems Advice
foglefar #476227 01/16/2012 8:03 AM
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Thanks Richard and I found out today you both are right regarding the extra wires. I thought the same myself when I had taken the bad one off my bike and compared them. My problem at the time was, I had been given assurances when dropped off at the service station that the mechanic there would help me sort things out but come time to actually do anything he all of a sudden became too busy. Ok, I'll replace if myself, which wasn't that hard a job I suppose until discovering the wiring issue. So then even asking the mechanic about the wiring, you'd think he'd have some clue wouldn't ya? Nope, I could tell he wasn't interested in the slightest and even with all his assurances previously inknew he just wanted me to go away. Sure I could have given him a big serve for being such a Pri*.. but that wasn't going to help much. Then I'm thinking how was I going to find out if my guess was right about the wiring? I've got no mobile (cell) phone coverage and no tools to swap the plug of the R/R over. Nope, I simply had too many barriers preventing me from getting back on the road. That's when I decided to organise the NRMA to just put my bike on a flatbed and take me home. It didn't cost anything other than missing another good ride.

All in all it was an interesting few days. Anyway, yes Richard this is the second time I've had the regulator go when riding country NSW and both times I've had to organize a regulator to be sent from hundreds of K's away.

Btw, because of all the times my bike's electrics háve let me down (not just these times), and other reasons, I've decided a different bike is in order. I've just lost trust feeling I'm going to be stranded again but next time in even more remote locations. Don't forget I want to travel round Aus now I'm retired and im feeling like my Speedie just isn't up to it.

Now I wonder what the new Tiger 1200 is going to be like


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Re: Regulator Rectifier Problems Advice
Stacka #476228 01/16/2012 10:15 PM
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Tiger ... ooooh! Nice bike. I've ridden the 1000 and it was sweet.


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