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I understand your frustration Rob. The point is that we do not live in a democracy, but in a representative republic. We vote in our representatives based on their positions on issues and expect them to vote their conscience. They are not puppets to be manipulated by the polls (although that's not always the case). And they do not have to do whatever you want them to do. That's why they have to stand for re-election.

"Thats why they have to stand for re-election."

and why I did not vote for him again, ever.

I am a regeistered Independent voter (because I don't like being told what to do) I vote a split ticket based upon who's record and views I feel best serve my purposes...I refuse to vote for someone just because they are a Rep or Dem...unfortunatly all to often the choice of EITHER sucks so then what...I vote the questions. those who I agree with, and Micky Mouse takes center stage in those races where I don't like either choice (some day he's gonna win then what will I do!?)

Rob....One of the MAIN REASONS that that clueless gent ain't the President today(and I'm SURE that our more "convervative" members here are thankful for this) IS BECAUSE....even though he served in 'Nam WITH HONOR and THEN had the GUTS to tell the TRUTH to Congress back in the day about what a freakin' CIRCLE-JERK that conflict was, HE DIDN'T HAVE THE BALLS to tell those poor hurt little twits who "think he stabbed 'em in the back" TO GO F---OFF when they accused him of being "UNPATRIOTIC", AND tell them HE EARNED those freakin' metals o' his that he THREW OVER that D*MN FENCE and COULD DO ANY FREAKIN' THING HE WANTED TO DO WITH THEM!!!!

BUT, it seems being a DEMOCRACT NOW MEANS being a little too sensitive to the feeling of others. What the Democract Party's leaders have forgotten is that Americans AIN'T the "sensitive"('cuz ya know...that's just not MACHO) or for THAT MATTER "real bright" bunch!!! HARD WORKING, SOMEWHAT HONEST, and EVEN INSIGHTFUL SOMETIMES....BUT NOT "REAL BRIGHT" collectively.

THAT'S WHY that jerk isn't parking his A$$ in the Oval Office right now INSTEAD of that EVEN MORE CLUELESS JERK!!!

Cheers,
Dwight

FEAR! Which THIS present U.S. Administration is EXCELLET at SPEADING through the collective conscience of this GREAT LAND!

With the increased infusion of religion into our political system, despite the protections that our forefathers put in place to prevent just that, it is reasonable that the same general tactics be infused as well.

Also notice that the last three 'points' on the republican list have NOTHING to do with fixing or addressing our current political/financial problems.

Cheers,
Brad

Hey! ANYBODY ELSE WANT A PIECE A THIS?!

How about some of my more "CONSERVATIVE" friends out there?!

Where ARE you guys, ANYWAY?!!!...OR CAN'T YOU MACHO MEN HANG WITH THIS NOW???

CHEERS,
DWIGHT

(breathe slowly and deeply)

(breathe slowly and deeply)

BILL...BILL...BILL.

You're a smart man! You've GOT to know that the vast majority of people don't use that freakin' brains when it comes to this crap. Despite what people tell ya about wanting a better, more caring World, they're OUT FOR NUMBER ONE! They're ALWAYS vote(once again..if they EVEN BOTHER to get off their lazy a$$ to do it) to protect what they HAVE and WANT, with nary a thought to what's good for the collective whole. AND the candidates KNOW THAT!!!!

They're NOT DUMB! That's why they USE that form to communcate to the Masses..."cuz it WORKS!!! And they know that NEGATIVE ADS work the BEST...AND ALWAYS WILL!!!

Cheers,
Dwight

Well-as a McCain republican, I was not going to enter into this, then someone called Hanoi John Kerry a Hero, and I could not resist. I spent 20 years in the military and did two tours in Vietnam. I have read every official record that has been made available to the public about Kerry's actions in Vietnam, including his officer efficiency reports. I have discussed those documents with a number of other former and current officers familiar with the combat action reporting system and efficiency reporting system in Vietnam at the time. I am convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that Kerry is a liar and a coward. His purple hearts are phony and the so-called official navy record of his principle action was clearly written by Kerry when he managed to place himself in a postion to do so, because the officer who should have written the after action report was engaged elsewhere. That report is a fraud. His efficiency reports are full of "damning with faint praise" statements, which is the standard method of getting of incompents in the officer corps. I am no fan of GW, and might even vote for some credible middle of the road democrat, but never this coward, or the woman who would remain married to that other coward.

Religion is part of our heritage, and the Constitution ( including that pesky first ammendment) is based on Christian principles.

Umm, I believe the majority of folk who wrote up the constitution were Deists, not christians..

Cheers,
Brad

Okay whitzoo,

Then explain why the VAST MAJORITY of LT.(at the time) Kerry's "Swift Boat" shipmates supported his commendations AND supported his later efforts to gain the White House!

What?! "They" paid 'em ALL OFF?!

Here's what I have a problem with!!!!

I couldn't care LESS if some guy has military experience or NOT!!! THAT doesn't make him a "coward" or NOT! I've seen TOO MANY examples in my 54 years on this friggin' planet, both on the "street" AND in the business world where people "go along with the show" 'cuz they don't want to "TAKE THE FLACK" for standing up and saying that some present course of action decided upon by some "superior", who is often lacking in insight and sheer intelligence, has DECIDED on some STUPID and COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE avenue to some means.

YEP! As YOU can tell...I never served in the Military! MAYBE that's WHY I stand up and often say these kinds of things.....Because it was never DRUMED OUT OF ME!

I AIN'T and I hope never to become one who BLINDLY FOLLOWS others. THAT is what gets people screwed up to begin with.

Cheers,
Dwight

Ive voted republican every election since I was 18 I was truly Ronald Reagan republican. He wasnt perfect but I believed in him.The years after he left office well it was sadder and sadder. George sr. was not great. I truly could not stand Clinton but at least when he ran and was the boss he was his own man. He won because he wasnt going on the demacratic party line. The guy there now is king of spinn
Vice presedent shoots someone its a "MINOR SHOOTING" like it happens every day. The guy that gets shot has a heart attack its "minor" one. No responsabilty for anything, just spin. Just spin no tuth just what sounds good on a sound clip. This man truly makes me sick. He lies to us he lies to our troops who he is using for target pratice, and say its getting better. The man of God who he claims to be is anything but

Hi Dwight-here is your answer:

John Kerry was able to convince about 13 men who served on Swift boats in the Mekong Delta to support him, 7 or 8 of whom were at various times crew members on his own 6-man boat. Those are the men the Kerry campaign so prominently featured at the Democratic Convention. The photograph shows Kerry with 19 of his fellow Swift boat OICs (Officers In Charge) in Coastal Division 11. Four OICs were not present for the photograph. Only three of his 23 fellow OICs from Coastal Division 11 support John Kerry. a couple are dead and the rest say he was unfit to command.

Overall, more than 250 Swift boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief. That list includes his entire chain of command -- every single officer Kerry served under in Vietnam. The Kerry game plan was to ignore all this and pretend that the 13 veterans his campaign jets around the country and puts up in 5-star hotels really represent the truth about his short, controversial combat tour.

The Swift boats fought in groups, so the other OICs who fought alongside Kerry know him well and can accurately describe what he did and did not do. In many cases Kerry's fellow OICs had a better perspective than his own crew members, since the latter had no way to determine whether he was following orders and how well he worked with his peers

Bill, Brad.....WHATEVER!

In other words WHATEVER the "Founding Fathers" believed is MOOT!!!

THOSE swingin' dicks believed MOST STRONGLY in and CAME OF AGE during the "AGE OF REASON". That, as I'm sure you both know, was an era in humankind's history when religious influence was waning upon men lucky enough to be born of somewhat wealthy parents and BRIGHT ENOUGH to see that this separation of Belief Systems from the day to day operation of Government would be a freakin' BOON to this country's formulation AND FUTURE.

SO.....WHY the hell does almost EVERYBODY keep bringing up this "well..we're a christian nation" BS, huh? IT DON'T MATTER.

HELL...for THAT matter...Why the hell don't we all go back to owning slaves, HUH? 'Cuz YA KNOW, in the OLD TESTAMENT, THAT was perfectedly OKAY! Which I'm sure you guys know was used as a rationale(other than the economic) for that VERY PRACTICE back then.

Cheers,
Dwight

Oh Dwight,
I never said "this is a Christian nation". It's not. I am just pointing out that the current crop of politicians and activists who claim to be Christian are pretty far away from those Christians who founded this great nation. Who realized from their own recent history what an abomination a Christian theocracy is.
Hey, ya know we're (mostly) on the same side here, and I think that it's pretty cool that we can agree on major issues even though we are coming from different perspectives
But, I guess that when we agree on the major issues we have to nitpick in order to find something to disagree about.HUH, Brad??

And, I can cook up a mean roast duck. But I can't find a decent recipe for mango salsa.

Yeah?! So whotzoo....you're tellin' me that some bozo with a bird encrusted on his epaulets sitting on his brains in some office on the heavily fortified outskirts of Saigon, reading a many filtered memorandum issued by some other "Officer" issued and then passes with HIS comments by some other "Officer" who DIDN'T have his A$$ being shot at by the Cong on that Swiftboat those particular days...IS GOING to be a better judge of "character" AND what action actually took place on a given day, than those GRUNTS out there along side Mr. Kerry getting their collective a$$es shot at, HUH?

Well...I ALREADY TOLD YA....I AIN'T a BIG BELIEVER in "Chain Of Cammand", buddy!!!

I've worked with too many "Incompetants" holding a higher position in an organization than myself who file "reports" that have NO BEARING in FACT, after it goes from their INBOX to their OUTBOX!

Cheers,
Dwight

Well, I got all liqueured up and went shootin'. I couldn't find anyone to go with me. Dick was busy. Maybe next time.
Mad`

Bill,

I know we're very close in out "beliefs", BUT....That PARTICULAR SIMPLIFICATION OF STATEMENT("We're a "christian nation") is USED BY those very people that you and I have a "little" problem with!!! This SIMPLICATION is VERY MUCH like those freakin' Political Ads that "they" throw out our way come election time.

SIMPLIFY IT...for the non-thinking MASSES out there, is their MOTTO....because ONCE AGIN it WORKS! "They" know that the EASIER you make it for people to "UNDERSTAND"...then....you've got 'em "thinkin'" your way!!!

Cheers,
Dwight
(now, if you don't mind, I'm goin' to the Dog Park now....where I can watch those muts o' mine live the GOOD LIFE...and not have to "THINK" anymore about how screwed up the human condition is)

we have to nitpick in order to find something to disagree about.HUH, Brad??



You apparently missed the smiley at the end of the sentence

Cheers,
Brad

Overall, more than 250 Swift boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

And that makes him a coward.. how?

Sorry man, but ANYONE who voluntarily enlists, particularly during the Vietnam era, and sees combat duty is NOT a coward, regardless of how you feel about his performance. To call ANYONE who puts their life on the line for this country a coward is just plain wrong.

Now, if instead he had pulled some strings to get into the Guard to avoid combat, that might be different..

Brad

Too many capital letters and bold print here. I'm going for a ride.

Skerry is now and was then a disgrace to his uniform and an embarassment to his country. He went to Vietnam simply to get in and get out as fast as he could/ manufacture some ribbons and ideally use them to eventually make himself an "ideal" candidate. He forgot the part about where he called his comrades baby killers and murderers and threw his medals away. The fact that he threw them away is a telling testimony to his lack of breeding and lack of All American DNA. Real heroes do not spit in the eye of their brethren when it meets their agenda and then later try to use those comrades in an effort for selfish power. Skerry is a hero in one place....Vietnam where his and that other spineless example of shining patriotism hanoi jane fonda can find their portraits hanging on a "communist" wall of honor.

2004 exposed him for what he is...a selfish oppurtunist coward. Many of us will be standing in line to ****** on his grave wherever that might be when they lay his worthless butt to final rest. I hope they do not dishonor Arlington cemetary by violating it with his lowlife dead DNA.

But then again they have security there and thats the only cemetary that would keep us out and our peckers in our jeans so we could not pee on his worthless butt!

(Spit)

Thank you for that shining example of Republican campaign rhetoric.

Your very welcome. It worked rather well dont you think?

The truth always does when the chips are on the table.

I received this as an e-mail a couple days ago. As always, I checked it's veracity before I pass it along. It's true.
I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But quite frankly anytime you would pis s on any veteran who voluntarily faced combat, you would pis s on these men.

A Tale of Six Boys
>
> Each year I am hired to go to Washington, DC, with the eighth
>grade class from Clinton, WI. where I grew up, to videotape their trip.
>I greatly enjoy visiting our nation's capitol, and each year I take
>some special memories back with me. This fall's trip was especially memorable.
>
> On the last night of our trip, we stopped at the Iwo Jima
>memorial This memorial is the largest bronze statue in the world and
>depicts one of the most famous photographs in history -- that of the
>six brave soldiers raising the American Flag at the top of a rocky hill
>on the island of Iwo Jima, Japan, during WW II.
>
> Over one hundred students and chaperones piled off the buses and
>headed towards the memorial. I noticed a solitary figure at the base of
>the statue, and as I got closer he asked, "Where are you! guys from?"
>
> I told him that we were from Wisconsin "Hey, I'm a cheese head, too!
>Come gather around, Cheese heads, and I will tell you a story."
>
> (James Bradley just happened to be in Washington, DC, to speak
>at the memorial the following day. He was there that night to say good
>night to his dad, who has since passed away. He was just about to leave
>when he saw the buses pull up. I videotaped him as he spoke to us, and
>received his permission to share what ! he said from my videotape. It
>is one thing to tour the incredible monuments filled with history in
>Washington, D.C., but it is quite another to get the kind of insight we
>received that night.)
>
> When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak.
>(Here are his words that night.)
>
> "My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin. My dad
>is on that statue, and I just wrote a book called "Flags of Our
>Fathers" which is #5 on the New York Times Best seller list right now.
>It is the story of the six boys you see behind me.
>
> "Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the
>ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He
>enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his
>football team. They were off to play another type of game A game called
>"War." But it didn't turn out to be a game.
>
> Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands.
>I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are Generals
>who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war. You
>guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and 19
>years old.
>
> (He pointed to the statue) "You see this next guy? That's Rene
>Gagnon from New Hampshire If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment
>this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you
>would find a photograph... a photograph of his girlfriend. Rene put
>that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years
>old. Boys won the battle of Iwo Jima. Boys. Not old men.
>
> "The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant
>Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They
>called him the "old man" because he was so old. He was already 24. When
>Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go
>kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country.' He knew he was
>talking to little boys. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and
>I'll get you home to your mothers.'
>
> "The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima
>Indian from Arizona. Ira Hayes walked off Iwo Jima. He went into the
>White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero.' He
>told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit
>the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?' So you take
>your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun,
>doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only
>27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images
>of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes died dead drunk, face down at the age
>of 32 .. ten years after this picture was taken.
>
> "The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from
>Hilltop, Kentucky. A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is
>now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of
>the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the
>cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows
>crapped all night. Yes, he was a fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin
>died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his
>mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A
>barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his mother's farm. The neighbors
>could hear her scream all night and into the morning. The neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.
>
> "The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my
>dad, John Bradley from Antigo, Wisconsin, where I was raised. My dad
>lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews When Walter
>Cronkite's producers, or the New York Times would call, we were trained
>as little kids to say, 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in
>Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know
>when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada.
>Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell's
>soup. But we had to tell the press that he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.
>
> "You see, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks
>these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and on a monument. My
>dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a
>caregiver. In Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And
>when boys died in Iwo Jima, they writhed and screamed in pain.
>
> "When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my
>dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me
>and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima
>are the guys who did not come back. Did NOT come back.'"
>
> "So that's the story about six nice young boys. Three died on
>Iwo Jima, and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys
>died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine
>Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time."

Oh contraire. I have read that story and my knowledge of WW2 is adequate to say the least. Skerry is by no means in the same category as these fine men. skerry, in his best moment could not amount to a pimple on the behind of any of those guys.

They did not manufacture their heroism they lived it in living color and not a one of them ever spoke a word of ill about their fellows.

kerry could learn a lot from these men.

I had an oppurtunity to visit the Iwo monument last fall on a trip with my father and some of his fellow WW2 vets to visit the WW2 memorial. Striking in its impact. Thats the reason so many like me feel the way we do about the john skeerys of the world. Thats why we work so hard to keep our beautiful country free and unbesmirched by wannabes like Skeery and mickael moore and all the rest of the America haters out there.

Very, very good story about the Iwo Jima memorial. I will not get into the political discussions. TR

Ya know..I'll bet Dick would be up for that idea if he could. I'd stand close to him though so you can duck when he swings that barrel around.

Seriously.......its too bad he had that accident. It was after all an accident.

too bad Mickeal Moore was not in range at the time.

Okay Kevin.....It was ALL a master plan by the Kerry clan to send their son to 'Nam, have him shot at, and thirty-some odd years later run for President, huh?

I KNEW that CONSPIRACY THEORIES are a time-honored tradition in our country, along with a that other BS phenomenon "The Urban Legend" and believing anything and everything some other...ahem...gentleman who's in a "superior position"(which usually means he possesses MORE FREAKIN' MONEY than you do)...BUT....GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK here.(and BTW lonzo, this "capital lettering and BOLD PRINT" is the only way these MACHO MEN listen anymore)

And speakin' of Conspiracy Theories....I GOT ONE FOR YA.....

You REALLY wanna KNOW what this "Thin Red Line" or in the police department's cases thoughtout our country, the "Thin Blue Line", or "Thin ANY Line" for THAT MATTER actually accomplishes? Well, THAT is to DUMMY UP any SCREW-UPS from becoming common KNOWLEDGE that a member of it's organization may happen to prepetrate and someone else may witness.

So BECAUSE Kerry "BROKE" that freakin' stupid a$$ code and told Congress what he preceived to be the TRUTH, without the say so of his superiors OR some of his comrades, he's AUTOMATICALLY a "TRAITOR", huh?

Well then, I guess Robert McNamara is one also then. Because THAT A$$hole, who was one of the architects of that freakin' Southeast Asian debacle, said the same ^*&%$^#$% THING as Kerry did ONLY 30 freakin' years TOO LATE!!!

But at least HE didn't "break" the code when it counted, huh? NO! HE allow another few thousand American lives to end in a Quixotic effort that had it's seeds sown by another clueless Administration(Truman...but THAT'S another story) which was an evitable farce due to the FACT that the MAJORITY of people in Viet Nam had no clue as to why THESE Grunts were in their country to begin with. In other words...just like in IRAQ...those average idiots haven't a clue what a Jeffersonian Democracy IS or why they NEED ONE! AND most of them will NEVER UNDERSTAND! AND I don't want my TAX DOLLARS thrown down the drain OR Ryan, the nice kid next door, to think that following that ignorant and inarticulate man in the White House down this dead-end road either thinking that it's "BRAVE".

I guess there are some(MOST) who only want to follow the flag(that's EASY), and NOT think circumspectly, call a spade a spade, no matter if it's a FRIEND or a fellow American citizen who they have to chastise because THAT could hurt their little feelings(I THINK that may be a form of "political correctness", which I understand REAL conservatives abhor) AND LEARN FROM HISTORY what causes these stupid-a$$ conflicts and the MESS that insues when INCOMPETENCE is the norm in planning and executing those plans...and then there are a FEW who CAN!

But then again, I HOPE you ALREADY knew that, and JUST FORGOT!

Dwight