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Google recorded historical global temps.+ observed sunspot activity, there seems to be a strong undeniable correlation. What you will find is, less sunspots, lower global temps, and more equals hotter, sorry Al G. I don't want to play.
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This has been a good read. I am just thinking about a few science facts. Very basic ones. (The core of earth is molten rock)- its venting but venting less over time because its cooling. Hmmm, that is a change that can cause some issues. (As a star ages it grows in size)- Humm, that would surely heat some stuff up! I guess we could all reach up and push it back when it gets really close. So, give or take a few million years in a few billion years we are a tiny little burned speck from our senior citizen sun. Or, a frozen nugget from our cold core. Geothermal has as much to do with warming as the sun by the way. It also has a great deal to do with our axis and rotation. Eventually we will get to wobbling in a big way. That will really suck for climate change. So, I will say we know we are doomed to end as a planet. They all die when the suns die. We are saving it for what exactly again? Nobody measured ozone and carbon emissions when the plains Indians burned off all the trees and grasses for the buffalo. Nobody measured the carbon imprint from every house in Europe for a thousand years heating with fire and cutting down everything with wood in it. Nobody measured the industrial revolution where we spewed everything we didn't want from smoke stacks for 75 years. All the sudden we need to permanently mar our landscape with zinc mining, kill our water with battery production in China and empty our treasury with subsidies that don't work. As was mentioned earlier, if it works we will buy it quick. If it works private industry will race to build it. Yeah, I think we foul the air and water. Overpopulation will kill us off a lot faster than carbon. We will run out of food long before the planet runs out of air. 
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So then what cause do you attribute to the melting polar ice caps, melting glaciers and rise of the oceans?
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/glaciers.html
I attribute it to the warming climate but I do not attribute it to man as I stated before. The solar activity is another good point that I didn't raise and actually just watched a program on it and another on the Mayan prediction of the end of the world and how the solar flare activity is supposed to be at it's highest point in activity at that time. Supposedly it goes in about an 11 year cycle but has not been as high as it is now in record.
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From what I've read, heard and seen and researched, climate change IS real and is primarily caused by sun activity. The whole thing that we're the source of the problem is I believe, yet another ploy to suck money from us (carbon tax) and make us even more fearful. I just can't and don't trust anything spoon fed from mainstream media. Another reason that I see for inventing the global warming scare is to have the ultimate excuse to aerosol spray our skies (chemtrails) in the name of 'Geoengineering.' But that's a whole other topic which I don't think can possibly be discussed here without violating the AUP (which we're already close to doing here). Watch What in the World Are They Spraying if interested. 
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Right on Keith, Google: "Muander (sp?) Minimum"...caused a mini ice age from a lack of sunspot activity. Record weather? BS, where I am sitting at this very moment was once covered by a glacier two miles thick, as it retreated North, it created Puget Sound. When the Romans conquered southern England they named it Vineland, great climate and source of grapes and wine for the empire, not now, too cold. And then there is a now frozen land, that was named Greenland. Why?. On and on the evidence that climate change is a natural cycle is there, ad nauseum. Now don't anybody get the idea, I'm pro pollution, I don't live at the very end of a long dirt road tucked into a massive forest because I appreciate urban sprawl and crap in our water and air. The planet will be fine, when the third world starts to care about our environment as much as we do.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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You gotta love Ron, he looks at the big picture. We are trying to polish the brass on the Titanic.
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We tend to think in terms of 'business as usual'... yet I wonder if reducing our glutinous need to have and do everything might just help a bit towards a cleaner world.
Yes Sir. thats reason 3,968,472 for riding a motorcycle. 45mpg.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I wish we could just get the NYC people here (meaning where I live) to keep trash in their cars until they get home or to a public trash receptacle instead of tossing it out the window all over the place and use trash pick up instead of tossing bags of trash along the roads. Was clean here before they invaded so it stands to reason they are the guilty.
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I wish we could just get the NYC people here (meaning where I live) to keep trash in their cars until they get home or to a public trash receptacle instead of tossing it out the window all over the place and use trash pick up instead of tossing bags of trash along the roads. Was clean here before they invaded so it stands to reason they are the guilty.
That's a drag, Ian. Here, we have similar circumstances. Where I live we are surrounded by wilderness... just the odd highway cutting through mile after mile of beautiful mountain terrain. Along the way at any rest stop or pullover the ground can be littered with garbage, often spewing down and over the bank at the edge of the road. Sad, really.
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I spent my first 18 years in the midwest. The countryside and roadways were generally clean and litter free. Most of the past 4 decades I've lived in the south. People don't show the same concern about containing their trash down here. South Carolina is the most litter covered place I've ever seen. When I worked down there my co-workers (medical professionals) thought nothing of throwing their trash out their car windows in their own neighborhoods.
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Have to say, it was sad to see that when we lived there too Smokey, although some parts of Connecticut were like that too. Same can be said of Colorado, at least out here along the I-25 corridor....
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Good points Chad. I'll add one more to that... the military which is the biggest consumer of carbon based fuels. I can't see running the military on batteries.
Au Contraire, mon frere! Most of our work is prototype work, and some of our big products have been the electrification of military vehicles similar to Hummvees. One of the biggest problems with military operations is logistics, and one of the biggest volume of materials needed is fuel. Building a hybrid electric or fully electric vehicle that can improve fuel ecomomy light vehicles by 20-30% would be a HUGE logistical and cost benefit to the military. A side benefit to that is the silence that a vehicle has when running at low speed and fully electric, that would be a big advantage when trying to move equipment without attracting unwanted attention. Again, everything hinges on the power supply and range, but 50 years ago, if you would have told me that we could have a video conference, send instant mail, listen to the radio from Berlin, and get directions from a satellite all on a phone the size of a half pack of playing cards, you'd have been called crazy. If we as a country can pull ourselves away from the Kardashians and get focused again on technology instead of waiting for China, I have plenty of faith in our ingenuity.
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Have to say, it was sad to see that when we lived there too Smokey, although some parts of Connecticut were like that too. Same can be said of Colorado, at least out here along the I-25 corridor....
In western North Carolina we constantly bemoan the Floridians that saturate the area. When I lived in Colorado it was Texans that everyone complained about. Dwight lives in Arizona and complains about Californians. Damn passers through.
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Good points Chad. I'll add one more to that... the military which is the biggest consumer of carbon based fuels. I can't see running the military on batteries.
Au Contraire, mon frere! Most of our work is prototype work, and some of our big products have been the electrification of military vehicles similar to Hummvees. One of the biggest problems with military operations is logistics, and one of the biggest volume of materials needed is fuel. Building a hybrid electric or fully electric vehicle that can improve fuel ecomomy light vehicles by 20-30% would be a HUGE logistical and cost benefit to the military. A side benefit to that is the silence that a vehicle has when running at low speed and fully electric, that would be a big advantage when trying to move equipment without attracting unwanted attention. Again, everything hinges on the power supply and range, but 50 years ago, if you would have told me that we could have a video conference, send instant mail, listen to the radio from Berlin, and get directions from a satellite all on a phone the size of a half pack of playing cards, you'd have been called crazy. If we as a country can pull ourselves away from the Kardashians and get focused again on technology instead of waiting for China, I have plenty of faith in our ingenuity.
We'd better. Around here we've got several companies on the cutting edge of solar. They seem to double in size every year with no end in sight. I just wish I'd invested in them sooner. I drove past the Biltmore Estate the other day and saw that they have installed a big solar farm. The bulk of the money is still in the oil economy but that's changing, too.
It pretty funny when people talk about the limitations of solar power, etc., as they talk on their smart phones, as if technology cannot improve.
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.........Not because a farse though. Do it because you believe in the idea and in inovation. Oh and I get sick of propaganda.
I'd like to see a battery powered truck strong enough to pull an equipment trailer to a jobsite each day.
I also don't think spilled gasoline is nearly as bad as a spilled battery. How much oil does it take to make a plastic case for a battery anyway? I say quit making plastic crap and make gasoline
Well, we’ve got 2 motors for you then. One is 150kW, and 650Nm(450ft-lbs), is about 18 inches in diameter, 14 inches long and weighs about 150lbs. And, we’ve got a 200kW, 900Nm(663 ft lbs) that’s about an inch in each direction bigger and under 180 lbs. Will that do for hauling your stuff? Those motors are going into a new inner city bus project that we’re working on, that will have the ability to do a 70% recharge in 6 minutes and 100% in 10 minutes. They are tooling up production in Greenville, SC right now, and we’re building prototypes for them.
As for the spilled gasoline, one spark and kaboom. One spark with a battery, less likely. I am frankly more worried about a shade tree mechanic trying to tinker with the battery or our controller and cooking himself with 450 V and a few hundred Amps than I am a collision.
As for the last question about how much oil it takes, that’s kind of a moot point, and is a wash in the end. In the process of electrifying, you loose a gallon or more of motor oil, as well as some of the tranny fluid, plus the 10-15 gallons of petroleum products you have to put in each week or maybe twice a week. The battery casing is a ONE time investment in plastic, which by the way is 100% recycleable, we used to use reground plastic all the time in our electronics at Bosch as standard practice. Plus, many cars use plastic fuel tanks, which is about a third the size and plastic content of a battery case. Point is, if you’re going to build a vehicle to carry 4-5 people, you are going to use resources, which in the end is slightly favoring electrics when you look at how much simpler the driveline of an electric is over a gas or diesel engine. Which brings up another point, if a vehicle is cared for, the lifespan of that vehicle could be greatly increased. The motors are MUCH simpler to replace than a gas engine, as there are 4 cables, one for control signals, and the 3 phase leads from the control unit. Battery pack should be pretty easy to change out too if it’s designed right. Audi is already testing a fully electric version of their LeMans R10 race car and has done a battery swap in minutes. Not saying those items would be cheap, but dropping a new engine into a car or tranny is not cheap either, and is a lot more complicated to do (been there, done that and even though it was on a 73 F100 that had enough room to sleep in under the hood, it’s still not a simple procedure. Need be, I can lift out our motor by myself, not so on my old inline 6 300cid….
Now, as for your point about riding a motorcycle and getting 45mpg, well, you’ll get no argument from me there, although I still would like to talk Chip Yates into letting me ride his electric bike….
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Dwight lives in Arizona and complains about Californians. Damn passers through.
Well, kinda sorta, Chet. But, actually what I always complained about before I moved to Arizona were all the non-native "Californians" who moved there from ALL over the freakin' world, and that includes the east coast, the midwest, the south, you name it of these United States(and yep even the freakin' Arizonans who might've moved there TOO!) and who after moving there made living in that state for THIS NATIVE Californian just too freakin' over-populated and congested a place to live there anymore, and turned the GREATEST state in this union of states, AND the state which has the greatest diversity in regards to topography(from pine forested mountains to the arid beauty of the deserts to the sands and cliffs of the vast Pacific Ocean shoreline, just to name a few), and all different kinds of climates to enjoy recreational activities, AND an economic giant, and INTO a freakin' overly crowded and unmanageable mess.
And so no, I really have never "complained" about "Californians", per se.
(...NOW I leave all THAT to native Arizonans to complain about Californians like ME moving into THEIR state!!!...yep, but as the late great voice of the L.A. Lakers, Chick Hearn used to say, "Turnabout's fair play!")
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Oh, btw, re the mess that people leave on the side of the road: My wife's cousin from southern New Jersey visited us here in Prescott for a few days about a month ago, and one of the first things she commented upon was "how clean Arizona is". She said NJ has trash everywhere. (...and no, she WASN'T just talkin' about those freakin' kids on that "Jersey Shore" program EITHER!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Dwight, I'm pretty sure that there are a fair number of Coloradans who would pay express postage to ship Californians back to you, of both the native and non-native varieties. Sure you've heard of the Peoples Republik of Boulder.... 
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Well, then again, maybe not Greg. Ya see, I understand Boulder Colorado can presently boast that its inhabitants are "The Fittest" in these United States. AND, I'll bet many of those folks are probably ex-Californians. And so, if the good people of Boulder Colorado WOULD send 'em all back to California, now WHO would they replace them with, HUH?! (...certainly NOT Mississippians!...word is THOSE folks are REALLY out o' shape...we're talkin' BIG here, my friend...REALLY big!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Nah, that whole fittest thing is mostly a sham. Don't really see any more "fit" people there than elsewhere in CO. More Boulderites in line at overpriced coffee shops though, maybe they have fitter wallets... Although, they are much more protective of their prairie dogs there, so if they are fitter that will serve them well when they break an ankle in a burrow! Besides, their fitness clogs up the mountain roads in the summer with their spandex and bicycles, makes taking the twisties not as fun....
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I have plenty of faith in our ingenuity.
Me too, people are very good at improving on things if left to their own devices. Case in point, Nikola Tesla. He figured out how to power his own electric 1931 Pierce Arrow using electromagnetic waves and no batteries. It worked... he drove around in it but his invention was soon suppressed and later forgotten by powers making money from oil. Dr. Royal Raymond Rife was another inventor who demonstrated great ingenuity in the field of medicine. His ideas and inventions were also swept away under the influence of money makers in the emerging pharmaceutical industry.
My point is that solutions for a great deal of today's woes were invented decades ago. We need only look back for a lot of what we strive for today.
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I think Tesla was an alien who crashed on Earth. He was doing stuff the was waaay ahead of any other technology on the planet.
He came in peace.
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Nah, that whole fittest thing is mostly a sham. Don't really see any more "fit" people there than elsewhere in CO. More Boulderites in line at overpriced coffee shops though, maybe they have fitter wallets...
Although, they are much more protective of their prairie dogs there, so if they are fitter that will serve them well when they break an ankle in a burrow! Besides, their fitness clogs up the mountain roads in the summer with their spandex and bicycles, makes taking the twisties not as fun....
I think a lot of those 'fit' Boulderites moved to Asheville when Boulder got so crowded, like I did. I wasn't actually IN Boulder, I was due east of it with a great view of Boulder Mountain to the west and the brown cloud and skyline of Denver to the southwest.
Asheville is full of Olympic caliber runners, bicyclists, paddlers, etc. Miles and miles of trails and rivers.
Lots of fun if you're into that kind of thing.
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Dragging the conversation back to the original topic......
Years ago I was in the south of France on a business trip, and for a rental car I had a VW Golf. After a week I needed to get gas. After filling up I figured out the cost per gallon in US dollars. It came out to around $5.00 a gallon. Now this was back in 1992, and I though that was rather expensive compared to what gas cost in the US. Almost all the difference in cost was taxes. This price difference is the same for most European countries (it's how they help pay for all the mass transit).
Over the years I get people saying that we need to come up with an alternative fuel, and then I think of my trip to France and how in Europe they pay almost 3 times what we do, and the only change they have made is smaller cars and higher use of mass transit (which is easier for them), in all this time no alternative fuel.
Electricity is an alternative, but it has a couple of problems (for me at least).
One, the extra drain on the local utility. I only see it as being green if you install a solar power system to offset the cars consumption. Otherwise you are just transferring the problem. I recently bought a Ford Focus for the Wife, and found out that Ford is coming out with an all electric Focus for 2013. One of the options for the car is a 2500KW solar system to help offset the cars electric consumption.
Two, a lot of taxes are generated from the sale of gas. If you have a electric car you are not paying any of those taxes (but still putting wear and tear on the roads). Now knowing our government I am sure they will come up with a way to tax electric cars to offset this. The problem is how they will go about imposing said taxes.
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don't forget, one of the first automobiles all the way back in the early 1900's was an all electric, and the company survived a couple decades I think. But of course, batteries were the problem. Maybe we just need a bunch of Tesla coils alongside the roads and a collector on each car!  
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http://www.plascoenergygroup.com/Have a peek at this technology. Ottawa voted this week to go ahead and supply the necessary waste to ramp up to full production. Not proven yet in large scale but we will soon know. Can't get rid of highway trash but can do alot for cities if it works.
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Have a peek at this technology. Ottawa voted this week to go ahead and supply the necessary waste to ramp up to full production. Not proven yet in large scale but we will soon know. Can't get rid of highway trash but can do alot for cities if it works.
Very interesting.
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I've always said hybrid technology is the way to go... diesel powered generators onboard every electric motor vehicle and you'll have an efficient solution. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass but it seems to work for trains.
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I wish we could just get the NYC people here (meaning where I live) to keep trash in their cars until they get home or to a public trash receptacle instead of tossing it out the window all over the place and use trash pick up instead of tossing bags of trash along the roads. Was clean here before they invaded so it stands to reason they are the guilty.
That's a drag, Ian. Here, we have similar circumstances. Where I live we are surrounded by wilderness... just the odd highway cutting through mile after mile of beautiful mountain terrain. Along the way at any rest stop or pullover the ground can be littered with garbage, often spewing down and over the bank at the edge of the road. Sad, really.
The saddest reality about our society.
Funny story twice I stopped people and made them pick their trash up off the road. One guy was in a parking lot near a job I were building. He was just throwing paint covered news paper out of his van while driving through the lot. I parked my truck so he couldn't get out and made him pick it up and put it in the dumpster.
The other was two teens throwing trash out on a senic road. I just happened to see them throwing trash out of their windows when I checked my mirrors. so I stopped in the middle of the road. Those guys tried to argue with me but I told them I could call the police or they could pick the trash up and take it to the gas station not 1 mile away and put it in the trash can there.
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Dave, would have to agree, that would be a much better interim step to full electric than gas. Diesels love a steady load operation like a diesel-generator set, like I ran in Subs in the Navy. Would get much more range from a gallon of fuel than either the Prius or Volt do, and you wouldn't need a large diesel to run a decent generator either.
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And I'll say it again... Tesla. I mean he ran a '31 Pierce Arrow with an electric motor powered not by batteries, not by diesel generators, not by combustion or stored energy of any kind but rather by instantly available energy in the form of electromagnetic waves available anywhere. I mean he tore up the highway at 90 MPH in that rather heavy luxury car at the time. So the real answer lies I feel, in suppressed technologies already figured out long ago. No mainstream idea out there even comes close to what Telsa was doing in the early 1900s.
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Monkey Butt
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And I'll say it again... Tesla. I mean he ran a '31 Pierce Arrow with an electric motor powered not by batteries, not by diesel generators, not by combustion or stored energy of any kind but rather by instantly available energy in the form of electromagnetic waves available anywhere. I mean he tore up the highway at 90 MPH in that rather heavy luxury car at the time. So the real answer lies I feel, in suppressed technologies already figured out long ago. No mainstream idea out there even comes close to what Telsa was doing in the early 1900s.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I guess this is an ongoing joke I am late to. There is no 90mph electric car in the 30s with or without batteries.
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Should be Riding
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And I'll say it again... Tesla. I mean he ran a '31 Pierce Arrow with an electric motor powered not by batteries, not by diesel generators, not by combustion or stored energy of any kind but rather by instantly available energy in the form of electromagnetic waves available anywhere. I mean he tore up the highway at 90 MPH in that rather heavy luxury car at the time. So the real answer lies I feel, in suppressed technologies already figured out long ago. No mainstream idea out there even comes close to what Telsa was doing in the early 1900s.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I guess this is an ongoing joke I am late to. There is no 90mph electric car in the 30s with or without batteries.
here's what I found
http://waterpoweredcar.com/teslascar.html
edit: the rest of the page reeks of conspiracy, so take it with a grain of salt
Last edited by roadworthy; 12/18/2011 11:39 AM.
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Monkey Butt
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Tesla died in 43, there would have been a Tesla Project rather than a Manhattan Project. They also say he perfected a particle beam. Actually he was thinking along the lines of a Microwave/Laser combination. He was a visionary but never built the car.
Fabulous contributions in the area of AC vs. DC that really pissed off Edison and remote radio transmission along with remote control systems.
What a cool idea though.
If you think on what we know now vs. 80 years ago, that technology could not be buried this long. We would have it now.
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I have plenty of faith in our ingenuity.
Me too, people are very good at improving on things if left to their own devices. Case in point, Nikola Tesla. He figured out how to power his own electric 1931 Pierce Arrow using electromagnetic waves and no batteries. It worked... he drove around in it but his invention was soon suppressed and later forgotten by powers making money from oil. Dr. Royal Raymond Rife was another inventor who demonstrated great ingenuity in the field of medicine. His ideas and inventions were also swept away under the influence of money makers in the emerging pharmaceutical industry.
My point is that solutions for a great deal of today's woes were invented decades ago. We need only look back for a lot of what we strive for today.
Sorry Keith, but the link you've posted just reeks of BS.
Apparently they can convert radio waves into enough electricity to power all our needs, but you still need a battery to power the lights?
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(only a single 12 volt battery was used to power the lights),
This sounds like that perpetual motion machine that had the science community all excited, until someone looked under the table and saw the battery
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I just cooked some COLLARDS . They is GREEN and they sho' am good.  Try the greens , we'll be here all week.
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Should be Riding
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Collard greens 
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Fe Butt
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And I'll say it again... Tesla. I mean he ran a '31 Pierce Arrow with an electric motor powered not by batteries, not by diesel generators, not by combustion or stored energy of any kind but rather by instantly available energy in the form of electromagnetic waves available anywhere. I mean he tore up the highway at 90 MPH in that rather heavy luxury car at the time. So the real answer lies I feel, in suppressed technologies already figured out long ago. No mainstream idea out there even comes close to what Telsa was doing in the early 1900s.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I guess this is an ongoing joke I am late to. There is no 90mph electric car in the 30s with or without batteries.
here's what I found
http://waterpoweredcar.com/teslascar.html
edit: the rest of the page reeks of conspiracy, so take it with a grain of salt
He was working on wireless electricity but as far as I know was never successful.
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