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Well Siggy, I'm all for adult discussion about differences of opinions and experiences  .
Name calling, however belongs on the playground.
I'm not trying to convert anybody here (as you seem to be), just explaining my point of view.
BTW. I agree with you about the "new-agers".
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Hey Bigbill Ah, although I frequently refer to myself as an evangelical atheist, I'm not really that evangelical. And I'm also wondering how the discussion about using STOP in telegrams drifted to where it did! I suppose religion, sex, and politics are always topics that arouse the passions and inflame the rhetoric. I suppose what I mean - and I apologise if I was less than diplomatic or came across as abusive, which I certainly don't intend - is that when Dwight mentioned that fundamentalists are different from "regular" religious folks, that's a degree issue. In contrast, I'm saying that although religiosity may exist on a spectrum - from very religious to mildly religious - the ultimate dichotomy is between belief in a god or not. Although folks' conception of god can range from the very concrete (he has a physical presence and can intervene in wordly matters) to spectacularly wooly (and here I would place the New Age thinkers), individuals still have to make a choice between having a god or not. I don't think there's an inbetween on this issue - or if there is, you really need to make your mind up because if you get it wrong...! So hopefully the playground discussion can be reinterpreted as a bar room discussion; similar but with more beer.  Siggy
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Thanks for clearing that up Siggy. Quote:
And I'm also wondering how the discussion about using STOP in telegrams drifted to where it did!
Dwight.
And to a lesser extent (meaning reactive)....me.
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I suppose what I mean - and I apologise if I was less than diplomatic or came across as abusive, which I certainly don't intend - is that when Dwight mentioned that fundamentalists are different from "regular" religious folks, that's a degree issue.
That's probably true, though I would offer that it's the "fundamentalists" (as presented by the media that is) who really don't get it. Now I can only speak as a Christian (and a conservative one at that), not being familiar enough with religions such as Islam to comment on their teachings. Those who are (self) presented as fundamentalists, and capture the lion's share of attention mostly due to their support of conservative political agendas, are simply not following the teachings of Jesus. They seem to be focused on setting themselves up as judges of what sins should be the target of legislation while 20% of the population of this country do not have access to adequate health care. While the number of homeless is growing as people who cannot take care of themselves are put on the streets. I'd better stop the litany now, but trust me, it could grow for some time. Looking at the records of these self appointed "evangelists", it's easy to see that they serve money and power. That's what Jesus referred to as "mammon". For those who are familiar with the bible, and if any support those referred to, I would invite you to explain just how a servant of Christ can also serve mammon.
O.K. that's enough of my soap boxing (for now).
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So hopefully the playground discussion can be reinterpreted as a bar room discussion; similar but with more beer.
Agreed!
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____________________________________________________________ WESTERN UNION TELEGRAM TO BIGBILL LAS VEGAS NEVADA I WISH YOU COULD JUMP ON A PLANE TONIGHT TOO AND FLY TO THE CITY OF ANGELS FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CONVERSATION OVER A BREW OR TWO WITH SIGGY AND I STOP I THINK THE THREE OF US WOULD HAVE A INTERESTING TIME OF IT AT THAT HOTEL LOUNGE STOP WHO KNOWS QUESTION MARK STOP WE COULD MAYBE EVEN EVENTUALLY GET INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF TRIUMPH MOTORCYCLES STOP SIGNED DWIGHT ____________________________________________________________ Cheers, Dwight (I know they charge by the letter, so this here telegram is gonna cost me a fortune) 
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WE COULD MAYBE EVEN EVENTUALLY GET INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF TRIUMPH MOTORCYCLES
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I try not to get involved with theological discussions...because much like politics, you will rarely change the mind of the person you are debating with...its typically a lose /lose situation with nothing but diometricly opposed opinions and angry/hurt opponents!
However whereas this is a thread about "Telegrams and stop"
I find it fasinating that the entire New Testament was "assembled" 300+ years after the death of Christ by a Pagan Roman Emperor (Constantine) at the First Council of Nicea on June 25, 325 AD STOP
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Hey what kind of oil should I use in my Triumph....what year is that bike...Great restoration....is Triumph still making bikes....just some "bike" talk to get us redirected toward some thing we CAN agree on...These bikes are Great!!!
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I try not to get involved with theological discussions...because much like politics, you will rarely change the mind of the person you are debating with...its typically a lose /lose situation with nothing but diometricly opposed opinions and angry/hurt opponents!
However whereas this is a thread about "Telegrams and stop"
I find it fasinating that the entire New Testament was "assembled" 300+ years after the death of Christ by a Pagan Roman Emperor (Constantine) at the First Council of Nicea on June 25, 325 AD STOP
I believe that intelligent people can explain their beliefs and opinions without trying to change the minds of others. This results in the phenomenon known as understanding.
However, it is sometimes necessary to point out glaring errors and thus promote the truth.
The Emperor Constantine did call for the council of Nicea in order to promote harmony between the different factions of the young Christian Church. He did not "assemble" the New Testament. The books were already in existence, and it was the Christian leaders that sorted through them and established the canon. This was not done in one day, but was a quite drawn out process.
Next time maybe do a little research. And I'll have the roast duck with mango salsa. That does sound delicious .
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Ah HA, ROB! I see you "FOUND THE LIGHT" about keeping it LIGHT and treading LIGHTLY upon others' Belief Systems around here, right AFTER that last attempt of yours to interject some HEAVY thoughts into the mix. Ya know....we ARE Triumph owners after all. And, even though we like to consider ourselves just a little bit brighter than your average motorcyclist, I "believe" it still comes down to the fact that most of us RIDE in order to attempt to FORGET the "heavier issues" that plague us humans. And, I don't "believe" there's anything wrong with THAT....most of the time.  Cheers, Dwight (BTW....the airfare from "Baston" to LA ain't too expensive anymore either, ya know)
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The Emperor Constantine did call for the council of Nicea... He did not "assemble" the New Testament. This was not done in one day, but was a quite drawn out process.
I quoteted "assembled" because of just that reason! perhaps I should have said CAUSED it to be assembled...I never meant to imply that it was a one day prosess, simply that was the start date...jimminey it took 400 more years for the second council to meet..."long and drawn out"...I'll say! as far as the research part... 
I am equally facinated by the books NOT chosen and the resaons behind it.
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Glad you understand Rob . Just a little more and I'll sit down and shut up (or not). The books known as the New Testament (most of them anyway) had been in use since the first century. That's the two digit years. The various leaders really just decided which ones were authoritive (and yes it is an interesting study how this was done), and which weren't.
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Well....while THESE TWO theologians are goin' at each other here.....I'M gonna contact Friar John and see how my PLACARDS are comin' along!!! Cheers, Dwight (you realize of course that this line of mine is BEST READ visualizing GROUCHO saying it while holding a cigar, don't cha?) 
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Well....while THESE TWO theologians are goin' at each other here.....I'M gonna contact Friar John and see how my PLACARDS are comin' along!!!
Cheers,
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Your just upset because you got your derailment...derailed
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I believe that intelligent people can explain their beliefs and opinions without trying to change the minds of others. This results in the phenomenon known as understanding.
I couldn't agree more...unfortunatly (yourself EXcluded) I find historically...IE crusades, holywars, mid east crises, astecks, pilgrams, and so on since the dawn of man... Religion and understanding are not words that go together...all too often it's "my way or the highway" which is why I revert to my original comment I try not to get involved with discussions about it! .....
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I couldn't agree more...unfortunatly (yourself EXcluded) I find historically...IE crusades, holywars, mid east crises, astecks, pilgrams, and so on since the dawn of man... Religion and understanding are not words that go together...all too often it's "my way or the highway" which is why I revert to my original comment I try not to get involved with discussions about it!
But you are involved . Drawn like a moth to the flame. Try though you might, you just could not resist and are now trapped in the endless debate.BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
You're absolutely right about wars and religion. I think that has more to do with leaders (mis)using religion to whip up nationalistic fervor than with the religion itself. For instance: If the religious factor were the only thing removed from the Northern Ireland equation, would they still fight?
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You're absolutely right about wars and religion. I think that has more to do with leaders (mis)using religion to whip up nationalistic fervor than with the religion itself. For instance: If the religious factor were the only thing removed from the Northern Ireland equation, would they still fight?
Wait a minute Bill!!!
Is this a TRICK QUESTION???!!! 
OF COURSE they'd STILL FIGHT!!!
We're talkin' IRISHMEN here!!!!
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(I watched one of them there Hurling games telecast live from Dublin once and a freakin' "HOCKEY GAME" broke out about every FIVE FRIGGIN' MINUTES and I believe they were ALL Catholics out there on that field that day)
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Wait a minute Bill!!!
Is this a TRICK QUESTION???!!!
OF COURSE they'd STILL FIGHT!!!
We're talkin' IRISHMEN here!!!!
UH-OH, they're catching on  , um, well, time to leave
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Friar, is it not amazing how these threads lead a life of there own? They start out as one thing and then get all distorted. TR What is a moderator to do?
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But you are involved . Drawn like a moth to the flame. Try though you might, you just could not resist and are now trapped in the endless debate.BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
As of yet I don't think I've debated any religion. Meerly stated a point of being interested in the origins of one particular religion. In general I'm interested in history, of any type...but religion plays such a large role in all history, I find that if you don't read about them (all of them) you are missing large chunks of history and the development of cultures.
I have not stated my beliefs or any secular attachments ...I also find it interesting that the old testament is the basis for the three of the largest (and most opposed) religions...Jews, Muslems, and Christians.
And further I think you will find that the "STOP" was in fact due to the lack of punctuation available in the Morse code format...also that you were not charged for the charaters required to spell "STOP" as you were for the remainder of your Telegram...interesting to note you can still, in todays high tech world, send a simple telegram...or at least you could just a few years ago...who the h3ll would do that???
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Friar, is it not amazing how these threads lead a life of there own? They start out as one thing and then get all distorted. TR What is a moderator to do?
Ignore it until blood is spilled?
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As of yet I don't think I've debated any religion. Meerly stated a point of being interested in the origins of one particular religion.
True enough, but if you'll look back, you'll see that I am merely explaining my beliefs, not debating. So your interest is in keeping with that theme .
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I have not stated my beliefs or any secular attachments ...I also find it interesting that the old testament is the basis for the three of the largest (and most opposed) religions...Jews, Muslems, and Christians.
And I'm also attempting to clear up misconceptions and/or incomplete understandings.
Islam is based on the Old Testament only up to Abraham and the birth of Isaac. Christians and (most) Jews consider the entire Old Testament as Scripture.
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And further I think you will find that the "STOP" was in fact due to the lack of punctuation available in the Morse code format...also that you were not charged for the charaters required to spell "STOP" as you were for the remainder of your Telegram...interesting to note you can still, in todays high tech world, send a simple telegram...or at least you could just a few years ago...who the h3ll would do that???
Where did that come from .
You tryin' to hijack this thread or sumthin' ??
What?
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nevermind
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No blood spilled (or even threatened to spill) Just an intelectual discussion on the telegraph (oh year and the origins of life)
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All of this over the word 'stop'. Do we dare delve into the discussion on the word 'go'? Afer all, this might lead into the roots of 'begin', or (GASP) 'beginning'! Cody
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All of this testorterone and bikes and Horse Power and we get off onto some deep conversation about origins and such whatever happened to discussing beer and (.)(.)
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All of this testorterone and bikes and Horse Power and we get off onto some deep conversation about origins and such whatever happened to discussing beer and (.)(.)
Poster: Beer and (.)(.), I like 'em.
Poster #2: Me too.
Poster #3: Me too.
Poster #4: Me too.
etc. etc. etc.
Gets kind of boring
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Gets kind of boring
Could be true can't argue with that, but some how (.)(.) never bore me (of course the rule of this forum do kind of restrict it to a format that could become boring)
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(of course the rule of this forum do kind of restrict it to a format that could become boring)
Give the man a seegar!! 
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Is that some Bill and Monica reference
I have to admitt that was NOT boring...Plus I did take a twisted (surprize I know) pleasure in watching the "dignified" media tring to report on BJ's and Stains
Kinda like when those two cheerleaders got caught in the ladies room..."performing" with/for each other... and all the male reporters tring to be unbiased...when many secretly (and some not so secretly) wished they were the "fly on the wall"
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All of this testorterone and bikes and Horse Power and we get off onto some deep conversation about origins and such whatever happened to discussing beer and (.)(.)
What do you think, we're a bunch of typical low-brow bikers? Heck no! We're renaissance men and women! 
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Someone needs to come up with a little icon dude that holds up a sign saying "DERAILED".
Do you mean some like these       
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Is that some Bill and Monica reference
I hadn't thought about it. It was really a reference to the carnival atmosphere that sometimes dominates around here (NTTAWWT)
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I have to admitt that was NOT boring...Plus I did take a twisted (surprize I know) pleasure in watching the "dignified" media tring to report on BJ's and Stains
Kinda like when those two cheerleaders got caught in the ladies room..."performing" with/for each other... and all the male reporters tring to be unbiased...when many secretly (and some not so secretly) wished they were the "fly on the wall"
You'd think that there was no real news to report
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Bill,
There WASN'T any other news that day. I DISTINCTLY remember that day this cheerleader news thing broke.
It was one of the few days that...Dubya hadn't mangled the english language and/or made yet another "smooth" international diplomatic move.
It was one of the few days that...Michael Jackson wasn't sitting outside some elementary school with candy in his pockets.
It was one of the few days that...those lame-brained insurgents in Iraq didn't take the life of one of our brave but sitting-duck troops there OR behead some christian evangelist who thought he'd or she'd fly over there and try to reason with those idiot.
It was one of the few days that...Hilary Clinton didn't try to grandstand on some issue she probably hadn't a clue about, while never really taking a stand on it one way or another.
It was one of the few days that...Bill her husband didn't interview for a new assistant at his Harlem law practice in his own "inimitable way".
It was one of the few days that...Kobe Bryant didn't try to take it upon himself, ala Allen Iverson, and win a basketball game all by himself WITHOUT the assistance of his teammates.
It was one of the few days that there WASN'T skating, AND ONLY SKATING(no fights) on the ice at all the NHLs games.
SOOOOO.....you can plainly see that it being a rather SLOW DAY in the news business, a story such as that there cheerleader thing JUST HAD to become the BIG ITEM that day.
It's kind of like this foxy 25 year old blonde (now)ex-teacher who was accused of "raping" one of her 14 year old male students of her's, and Fox "News" gave a WHOLE lot of coverage yesterday after she managed to "impress" the judge with her charms and receive a pretty lenient sentance.
But COME ON! Why should we care about that?!
I mean....now I'm NOT saying here that that there "poor" 14 year-old boy could not be "scared for life".....BUT....I REMEMBER sitting in the young Miss Horvath's 9th grade english class(ironically, she would have probably been about 25 at the time too), with a certain appendage of mine at full attention, AND all the while thinking to myself...."Oh Baby! Just give me 10 minutes alone with her in that coat closet over there, and I could die a happy young man today."
Cheers,
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I REMEMBER sitting in the young Miss Horvath's 9th grade english class(ironically, she would have probably been about 25 at the time too), with a certain appendage of mine at full attention, AND all the while thinking to myself...."Oh Baby! Just give me 10 minutes alone with her in that coat closet over there, and I could die a happy young man today."
You ain't the only one, buddy , (and I don't mean Clinton's dog, so don't start ).
I would bet that particular fantasy is a very common one among the male members here . (Mine was Mrs. McCracken-really, fresh from college, who liked to sit on her desk, facing the class, and lecture. While wearing mini-skirts .
Regarding the rest of your post: When all those things converge, the world will END!!!
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This is an experimental thread.
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Re: Telegrams and "stop"
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Fe Butt
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Fe Butt
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Regarding the rest of your post: When all those things converge, the world will END!!!
Wait a minute Bill....You're forgeting to include that ISRAELI/RAPTURE thing in your "Final World Scenario" here!!!
Cheers,
Dwight
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Re: Telegrams and "stop"
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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It's kind of like this foxy 25 year old blonde (now)ex-teacher who was accused of "raping"
Cheers,
Dwight
Back in the day I would have been paraded around the school yard as a HERO if I had been "raped" by her repeatedly as he was...I also found it interesting that Fox reported that the trama suffered was due to the MEDIA attention garnered No mention of the "rapes" themselves...
The sadest/most infurriating thing of this whole story that it diminishes the word rape. ..this kid was a WILLING participant on more than one occasion...who shot his mouth off and got caught...RAPE is a brutal, heinous, violent, unspeakable act which often leaves it's victoms dead or maimed certainly scarred for life! It should not ever be confused with a 14 year old boy with rageing hormones nailing his increadably hot teacher It makes the word less offensive, clearly she committed SATUTORY rape...that speaks to the age of the participants regardless of willingness of the "victom"...RAPE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER involves a willing VICTOM! She didn't RAPE him...you can't RAPE the willing!!!
They had a RELATIONSHIP! Inapropriate as it may have been for her to do so! Makes me wonder why she felt compelled to get involved with a 14 year old boy...I'm certain she could have had anybody she chose in her own age group!
But RAPE should not be made less offensive under any circumstances!
Rant over! I love this telegrams thread!
THE VOICE OF REASON
per: Stewart
AF&AM/Shriner/Scoutmaster
130/45 TBS 2shim SS Uni 18/42
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Re: Telegrams and "stop"
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Joined: Feb 2005
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Rant over! I love this telegrams thread!
Yep Rod! While I seriously doubt that the present curator of the Smithsonian will print this here thread off and place it next to an early example of Mr. Morse's invention there in Washington D.C......It IS kind'a FUN , ain't it?!
Cheers,
Dwight
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Loquacious
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John should rename it to useless drivle, rants, and the meaning of life...kind of a catch all...it might even keep other threads from being derailed ....nahh that won't happen
THE VOICE OF REASON
per: Stewart
AF&AM/Shriner/Scoutmaster
130/45 TBS 2shim SS Uni 18/42
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