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I am not talking about anything saved I am talking about what my sister gets if she pays 0 in. It is in her contract. I have nothing against a pension but 85% or above is a bit much in my opinion. A saved percentage plus that percentage matched is more reasonable.






Wow, with a 0% contribution she gets a 100% retirement package? That is impressive. I don't know how a system can survive that way.


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Oh, and btw Chad...in answer to your supposition about America not being an anti-intellectual society...

Maybe you don't realize this, BUT it doesn't take being an "intellectual" to become RICH!!! And brother, THAT'S exactly what has made this country so powerful. Our love for the "Almighty Dollar" above all else.

(...though, there certainly is NOTHING wrong about that...personally I LOVE the "Almighty Dollar" MYSELF!!!!)





There again you misunderstand me. We have very much become anti intellectual. I only propose that we were not always so it takes intellect to invent, create, design, and build a giant nation such as ours.


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I am not talking about anything saved I am talking about what my sister gets if she pays 0 in. It is in her contract. I have nothing against a pension but 85% or above is a bit much in my opinion. A saved percentage plus that percentage matched is more reasonable.






Wow, with a 0% contribution she gets a 100% retirement package? That is impressive. I don't know how a system can survive that way.




That is my point exactly and she gets really mad when I say that. I think a good retirement is in order but it has to be sustainable.


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How do you weed out bad teachers? Look at the average GPA of their class if its a normal bell curve with its peak near the national average for that class and demographic the that teacher is ok. If its low there is a reason if its high their is a reason, as in markedly high or low.




So how do you insure that all the teachers are grading fairly and honestly and on the same scale? Wouldn't it be in their best interest to give higher grades?


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How do you deal with unruly children send them home if they break the law arrest the parents too let them sit in jail together. Military school may be a better option.




I agree with the thought, but you can't send them home if there are no parents there. Jail? Hmmm, don't we already have a whole segment of the population where underachievement and jailtime is the norm, so lets get 'em started early? Alternative/military/bootcamp type situations may be a better option - but it's expensive! I know.


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So Dwight, your telling me that with all the great art, poetry, literature, engineering, and scientific advances in most of all the field of medicine that have been made here in the USA. That we have always placed more value on ignorance.


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Nope, once again Chad, I'm not misunderstanding" you. This country Has ALWAYS prided itself on its anti-intellectualism"...ALWAYS.

Though, as I ALSO said up there, that that alone does NOT negate the idea that it could become successful in many of the endeavors of which you made mention right above there.

No "Real 'Merican" likes an "Egghead", what with them'all sittin' in their "Ivory Towers", ya know.

(...and no, "Hollyweird" didn't just make me say that!!!)


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So Dwight, your telling me that with all the great art, poetry, literature, engineering, and scientific advances in most of all the field of medicine that have been made here in the USA. That we have always placed more value on ignorance.




Ya know Chad, there IS a big difference between "ignorance" and "anti-intellectualism".

Ya see, THIS is ONE of the things that IS wrong with the mindset of many of the people in this country...the "idea" that life is an "Either/OR Proposition".

It seems as if almost EVERYTHING now is discussed in terms of ABSOLUTES! There's NO "middle ground" anymore. And if ANYTHING, this "Dumbing Down of America", or to put it another way, this apparent continual slide to an even MORE "Anti-intellectual" American society is exemplified by THIS phenomenon ESPECIALLY.


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Roundy, its not the schools problem that the child is a ****** call the parent and say come get your animal you got one hour he will be in detention until then after one hour you will be fined sixty dollars a minute good day


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Just look at people trying to push ebonics to be taught! What about that black woman that was mad because people couldn't pronounce her daughters name and the spelling wasn't even close to the pronuciation. She came back with some letter was silent that didn't even make sense. I wish I could remember the specifics. People purposely murder the English language to fit in and sound like their friends. I correct the kids that work under me all the time and a few are smart and know better. One is my friend and he gets mad because I actually have him using correct English in some cases like he and I instead of me and him where appropriate. He says it right then yells at me,makes me laugh. It is all good natured he isn't really mad.


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I didn't say it was the school's fault or responsibility the kid is a pain, but unfortunately it is their problem. Like said above - too many "parents" expect schools to babysit and raise their kids.


It takes a village...... blah blah blah, BS!


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Well Dwight, I subscribe to the Socratic and Platonic method of definitions. In short you arrive at the true meaning only after exhausting all of the exceptions. So anti intellectualism and willful ignorance is one and the same. Now I agree with you more than you think on the matter, because ignorance and willful ignorance are different. This nation in its youth was quite ignorant but many did rise above this ignorance by choice and by hard work, and that's not an attitude of anti intellectualism. Now days we have willful and woeful ignorance.


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It takes a village...... blah blah blah, BS!




Exactly Stew. What it REALLY "takes" is for halfwits OR people who already have their OWN particular problems to realize that they AREN'T "Parent Material".

(...but fat chance of THAT ever happenin' in this crazy ol' world...LET ALONE in these United States!!!!)


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Dwight, You're right - that will never happen. Somehow people haven't put together that screwing like rabbits has a particular outcome.

Now I'm not advocating bigger government, but, hey, they regulate everything else.... There should be a test to have kids.


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What about that woman that was mad because people couldn't pronounce her daughters name and the spelling wasn't even close to the pronuciation. She came back with some letter was silent that didn't even make sense. I wish I could remember the specifics.




Was that Le-a? Not pronounced Lea or Leah, but Le-dash-a?

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Talking about the less intelligent or least equipped to make babies. The poorest, least educated areas of the world and in this country seems to make the most babies.

Why is that? Are they actually so IQ diminished they really don't know how to stop them? Once you send those kids to the school with no help from home, sometimes not even running water the cycle is continued. This child will be left behind the others for his or her whole life. I use that as a general assertion, there are exceptions.

No teacher can be prepared for that challenge and continue to give the rest of the classroom his / her attention.


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its funny (sad) that the govt. schools tend to teach children that 2+2=4 but then never teach them why they need to know that. most kids have no idea how to balance a check book or understand interest or the stock mkt or why 2+2 needs to equal 4. the problem tends to be that after about 9th grade most kids arnt really learning anything new it is just a repeat of k thru 9. i believe that at or about 9th grade there should be more of a push towards tech/trade school, where if a child shows interest in auto shop or computers or hair design then we should be teaching them that more than more of the same. you are right Dwight, the dumbing down of America is true, the govt has had it planned that way for generations so that they(the politicians) can then have their way. like you said about Jaywalking, i am usually beside myself thinking how can these people be so stupid. most cant tell you how a bill gets introduced or how it becomes law, most cant tell you who their senator or congressman is in washington or their state or that there is even a difference. trade school is the way to go for most and yet we keep unfunding such things in govt schools because of lack of funds. I never told any of my children that they had to be A students but that they had to try and just do their best and i think their best should be at least average and they seemed to have turned out ok. my daughter the school teacher tends to agree with me and when she had to teach at govt schools she would only teach k thru 3rd grade because she said after about 3rd grade if you havnt captured their imagination then you have lost and chances are you wont get them back and if not there might be the chance that one of the lost ones will be showing up with an automatic and start shooting. she said she was less afraid to teach in the prison she taught at because those students had to earn the right to be there and didnt want to lose it and have to start over again. maybe we need to get the children on that bus, i mean maybe they should have to earn the right to be there( oh yea right, that thats gonna or could happen hahahaa what would parents do for a babysitter) but the idea of trade/tech school is to me the answer because then a kid has to earn it and when he gets it, there just might be a future for that child.


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When our kids were in school, I had them read and do the lessons in the books my grandmother taught from (back in the one room schoolhouse days). Those books not only taught the lesson, but applied it to the agrarian society that kids of that day could relate to. I hate to admit it, but those lessons were even harder than the ones I had when I was in HS - almost 40 years ago.

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Well newt, I have to admit you make a few good points in your above "thesis", however I suuuuure wish you'd get off your "It's all that bad ol' government's fault" and/or your "Gov't Conspiracy Theory" kick you throw out there whenever topics like this are discussed around here.

Ya see, UNLESS we DO GO to some form of "mandatory governmental birth control" which would restrict who has "the right" to pop out kids in this country like Communist friggin' CHINA adopted a few decades ago(and I'm CERTAINLY NOT advocating THAT here), people WILL continue to pop out rugrats willy-nilly in this country, and throughout the world where they have the "freedom" to do such...and ESPECIALLY as long as public Family Planning Centers are looked down upon by many of a certain segment of THIS society here in the U.S.

AND, because people WILL continue to "pop 'em out", BY NECESSITY the "bad ol' government" HAS TO step in and attempt to UPGRADE the education of those who WILL continue to pop out little ones and who have had REALLY poor educations themselves, or else we'll just have yet ANOTHER generation of "Know Nothings" among us!!!!

Now, have these "attempts" been totally or even reasonably successful in the past? NOPE!!! But, what is YOUR suggestion here for an alternative means to break this ongoing generational cycle of an under-educated class, HUH?! OR, for THAT matter, people of average or even higher educational backgrounds and incomes, but who for WHATEVER reasons just assume that the education of their kids has little to do with THEMSELVES! And, I would venture to guess that this SECOND group of people in this country probably outnumber the FIRST group of which I just made mention!

Do you think everybody can go to those private schools which demand that either these kinds of kids "start learnin' or else", and where in many cases of these private schools, they just kick 'em OUT if they don't?!

Wouldn't it be "nice" if every school, INCLUDING Public schools could do THAT, huh?! I'm sure the teachers in the public schools would like that!

(...yep, "sink or swim" baby...THAT'LL "teach" 'em!)


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I agree totally with the responsibility should be more on the parents.
My wife works in the Transportation Dept at a very large school district of St Louis County and they had parents calling them on the first day of school trying to register their kids and demanding someone come pick them up.
This is after numerous school meetings and scheduling calls to the parents months ahead of time.
If the parents can't follow simple instructions how do you expect the kids to do any different?


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Not all or even most under educated people as you put have terrible kids who can't or will not learn. Many under educated people work hard to see to it that their children have opportunity that they themselves didn't get. I personally think society is a better place with these people than the ones who had wonderful educations and raised up little arse holes. Which there are plenty of. The solution to the problem of children who choose not to learn but be disruptive is a good value system.
Some of the most productive and generally good people that I know are "under educated", and some of the true ****** heads are highly educated.


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Good point again, Chad. However, that was NOT a point which I was attempting to make, OR to even imply. SURE there are a lot of "good" and "productive" citizens among the "lower classes" in the U.S. and abroad. Heck, the U.S. has one of the highest "Productivity Rates" in the world!

What I've been attempting to say all along in this thread here IS that all this malarkey about "They"(read: "that bad ol' government", or "those public school teachers" or "Hollyweird") have taken away the parent's responsibility to make sure that their kids are as "smart" and ESPECIALLY are as disciplined to become "smart"(that's those "values" you just made mention of) as they COULD be" IS, well, JUST malarkey AND a friggin' "COP OUT"!


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Okay, I'm done with this!

Now, everybody over to the "Other Bikes" forum, and tell me which MOTORCYCLE you'd like to own...an Indian OR a Norton!

(...that is IF you haven't done so already!)


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It's hard to overcome the mentality of those who believe in the "Don't rise above your raising" mentality. Why are some parents afraid of encouraging their children to live a better life than they did? And what can be done to change it? At least in the US, it seems like the first few generations of immigrants push their children to achieve, but later generations become complacent.

I should probably stop before I start a rights vs. responsibility debate.

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I agree its not the gobermit nor teachers nor even holly wierd's fault that some peoples little beasties are animals. Its their own because they have poor values. And failed to impart the need of said values to their monsters.
I don't believe any teacher took that job because they thought it would be an easy living or with malevolent intent. They did it cause they wanna help children. If there is fault here its years of baby sitting the little animals that ruined the teacher.
As far as the gobermit goes hell they don't do much right so why would we entrust them with our chirens.
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It's hard to overcome the mentality of those who believe in the "Don't rise above your raising" mentality. Why are some parents afraid of encouraging their children to live a better life than they did? And what can be done to change it? At least in the US, it seems like the first few generations of immigrants push their children to achieve, but later generations become complacent.

I should probably stop before I start a rights vs. responsibility debate.



I am sure it happens but have never witnessed it. I wouldn't be able to understand or tolerate it either. The most I have witnessed is people who know more about football or their motorcycle or what ever the case may be than they know about their kids. I guess more neglect than suppression. Either way its totally fubar.


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Haven't seen it? Visit your local ghetto or trailer park. Not everybody, of course, but far too many! Generations with no evidence of improvement - and no desire to.

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Just because I haven't seen it don't mean it aint real I have no doubt about it existence. I never seen Alaska but its there and pretty damn big. I couldn't tolerate such so I wouldn't be around it long.


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ahhhhhhh, without thoroughly reading all the lively banter contained here, I'd just toss out a caution to not cast too wide a net. Suppositions can lead in many directions, while suppositories generally just one.

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Aaah, BUT, the use of a CONDOM can sometimes lead to A LOT less little clueless rugrats runnin' around, John!

(...I hope you at least got THAT out of all my "suppositories"...err, I mean "suppositions" which I supplied in this thread, anyway!!!)



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As to fireing these days,, dont know about anywhere else, but my wifes ISD uses a year by year contract. if your no good, you dont get renewed. Really the only reason my wife is in the teachers union is for liability ins. Now isnt that a scarry thing,, being a teacher and having to carry liability / malpratice ins!


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In regard to the comment above about teachers making too much maybe in the PREP schools...Ummmmm NO!
Public school teachers make a ton more than PREP teachers. I make a lot less than my wife, I don't get a retirement program like she does, mine's a joke really. In fact, my pay has decreased over the last two years because the prep schools are hurting for tuition money these days. Starting salary at my PREP school that has a tuition of 21,000 dollars/year per student is about 35,000 dollars/year.




Ok I stand corrected. So I showed myself to maybe be what the public perception might be. No disrespect intended.


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Really the only reason my wife is in the teachers union is for liability ins. Now isnt that a scarry thing,, being a teacher and having to carry liability / malpratice ins!





That's a sad truth, give a kid an F and all of a sudden you "touched them inappropriately". Teachers unions provide legal representation against such silliness, it doesn't have much power as far as collective bargaining goes.


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StandingBull #460265 08/17/2011 7:55 PM
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If you let MTV raise your monsters then they can grow up and be snookie that's still your own damned fault.




HEY WAIT A MINUTE!

I was raised on MTV, but I digress, that was when it was about music. I was inspired to pick up a guitar (and toil with it for the rest of my life!), and love my music!

NOT be a spoild jersy shore punk (only used that as the stereotype you can thank the show for). I think in the correct order I first wanted to be ACE FREHLEY, PETE TOWNSEND, ANGUS YOUNG, JIMMY PAGE, JIMMY HENDRIX..and a whole lot more.. (Even though they had addictions and human flaws, I think a pretty good music hero list)

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ahhhhhhh, without thoroughly reading all the lively banter contained here, I'd just toss out a caution to not cast too wide a net. Suppositions can lead in many directions, while suppositories generally just one.

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Well Ron ol' buddy, what say we don't go all "political" here, okay?!

'Cause ya see, that strain of "Anti-intellectualism" I was talkin' about here runs SOOOOOO friggin' deep in this country, that it suuuuuure ISN'T just those Politicos out there who suffer from it, ya know!!! That "stuff" runs REAL DEEP through ALL the many facets of this country, and always has!!!

(...and then we all sit around here and wonder why little Johnny and Susan don't know that Raleigh is the friggin' capital of North Carolina, just as that "Who Knew?" link I supplied showed!...and don't EVEN get me started about those "Jay Walking" spots on "The Tonight Show"!!!!)






I don't believe America is generally an anti-intellectual country. There's plenty of intellectuals that are widely respected, even popular. I think the country has become anti-elitist, specifically the ivy league, you know the supposedly best and the brightest.


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Remember the days when MTV was all about music. Now they should call it mook tv. I don't think they even have music videos anymore.


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I just want to thank everyone for a good discussion. SEE FJ we ARE learning.


Mal: "Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun?{ref, Jayne} Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really, it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting."
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In North Carolina the schools are being devastated by budget cuts. The root cause? The Legislature killed a 1-cent sales tax that went to school funding. The public opinion? Sixty-eight percent of the voters wanted to keep the 1-cent tax. The unexplained? Why do they call the people who killed a 1-cent tax that 68% of the voters wanted to keep 'representatives'?

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Well Soren, like I said way up there at the beginning and like Ron pretty much reiterated under it...tell me...can we ALSO FIRE the friggin' PARENTS who just send their little darlings off to public schools daily and who apparently expect said public schools to raise them for them, TOO???

(...oh, and I see nobody around here wants to challenge my observation about our country's long standing tradition of being anti-intellectual, eh?!...well, at least THAT'S good, 'cause it appears at least a few folks around here recognize the TRUTH in THAT statement!!!!)



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My mom had problems with a certain ethnic group that didn't bathe. She finally had to tell the parents if the kids didn't wash they wouldn't be allowed at school.


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