Chuck, have you changed or eliminated the airbox at all? When I put K&N pods on my first bike my short TORs really woke up at full throttle. Even now, with TORs on my second bike and only a drilled airbox with the snorkel removed, the TORs have a nice growl to them at full throttle. But I would never say they were Harley loud. Now the Specialty Spares, I call those loud (but not the loudest of course).