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A combination of factors resulted in the lockup of my back brake to avoid the car in front of me that was no longer moving. The main sign of damage is a leak of fluid from the shaft connected to the shift linkage that enters the tranny.  I think there may be some damage to the front left foot peg. I think it took the brunt of it. Well, that and my butt. Put a hole in my pants and boxers. Anyone have an idea of what it will take to fix this... cost/difficulty? I have insurance, but don't want to use it if there is no need. Thanks for any input.
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Traffic in and around Auburn sucks, Huh?, to start, get that left side case off, shift input rod obviously bent,you may be able to straighten it on a press, seal is toast for sure, case gasket usually non reusable, if the socket that seal sets in is buggered, a new case recommended, all in all, used parts and you do the work, under $300 with patience to find reasonable prices, maybe more if your in a hurry, disclaimer: all this is irrelevant until you open that case and see how far the input shaft deformed and what if anything it did to adjoining parts, need to borrow a manual, I will loan you one. PM me
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I am by no means a mechanic Fish but I think that shaft may be bent. Is there any crack in the casing that could be causing the leak? I wouldn't be riding it till you can confirm that is not bent because it may cause more damage to the gearbox. Like I said though I am pretty clueless.
At least you are okay and you do have insurance.
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Man, I'm sorry to hear that. Main thing is that you are okay. I hope you get her up and running soon.
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That shaft IS bent! In my experience,(having done it twice now) you will need to cut that shaft off as close to flush as possible, and de-burr it in order to pull the clutch cover off. Otherwise you can plan on replacing the clutch cover as well because it will always leak from that seal area. That "shifter shaft" is about $100 US dollars new from Triumph. I'd be leery of getting one from a salvage bike because they are commonly bent. If it's not perfectly straight, it WILL leak! Good luck with the repairs. Now is your opportunity to become a great mechanic while getting to know your bike more intimately. 
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I'm so sorry and am glad you your butt are OK!!! Hope you can get your bike fixed asap. Traffic is the worst.
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I agree with Bill, replace that shaft and seal. You probably should carefully cut it off and de-burr as close to case as possible. I hope there is no more internal damage. If you take your time and follow the manual you should be OK doing it yourself.
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I agree with Bill,...
Ok, Ian, now you're just bein funny...right? 
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Man, I'm sorry to hear that. Main thing is that you are okay. I hope you get her up and running soon.
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Thanks everyone.
I will try and tackle this myself. Any suggestions on what to use to cut the shaft down? Dremel with a cutting wheel?
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Thanks everyone.
I will try and tackle this myself. Any suggestions on what to use to cut the shaft down? Dremel with a cutting wheel?
Dude glad to hear you're ok, as we’ve heard in the past you gotta get back on the horse .
Maybe we can get an explanation about the need to cut the shaft from those who’ve been there before.
I’ve replaced a couple of the shaft seals in the past, obviously Fish’s is fubared and will need replacing, It would seem to me if the casing would come off without a restriction from the shaft, cutting it would be unnecessary. I’m no expert here just asking for a bit more detail before Fish tackles the project.
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The shaft has to pass thru the seal, a needle bearing and the cover casting, which adds up to @ 3/4" or so (from memory)and the bent section WILL NOT pass thru all of this without significant force and will likely damage parts. The first time i had this issue, i had to pull the cover out far enough to get a sawzall blade INSIDE to cut the shaft, then push the bent part outward from the cover. The second time, the shaft wasn't bent as bad and i was able to cut it from the outside, and it still didn't pass thru the cover easily.
Make sense?
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Ok, Ian, now you're just bein funny...right?
Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day! 
Sorry Rob, Don't know why I keep thinking you are Bill.
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Dude glad to hear you're ok, as we’ve heard in the past you gotta get back on the horse.
Tonight I got back on the horse... in this case the horse was my CB900F. It was great to be out on two wheels.
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Dude glad to hear you're ok, as we’ve heard in the past you gotta get back on the horse.
Tonight I got back on the horse... in this case the horse was my CB900F. It was great to be out on two wheels.
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Glad your ok Fish and back on two wheels already With all the knowledge and know how on here you'll be back in the Triumph saddle in no time
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The shaft has to pass thru the seal, a needle bearing and the cover casting, which adds up to @ 3/4" or so (from memory)and the bent section WILL NOT pass thru all of this without significant force and will likely damage parts. The first time i had this issue, i had to pull the cover out far enough to get a sawzall blade INSIDE to cut the shaft, then push the bent part outward from the cover. The second time, the shaft wasn't bent as bad and i was able to cut it from the outside, and it still didn't pass thru the cover easily.
Make sense?
I had to do the sawzall thing as well, just as mentioned above.
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Great photo of your TRIUMPH oil filter there Fishonabike
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Dang....glad your ok Fish!
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The shaft has to pass thru the seal, a needle bearing and the cover casting, which adds up to @ 3/4" or so (from memory)and the bent section WILL NOT pass thru all of this without significant force and will likely damage parts. The first time i had this issue, i had to pull the cover out far enough to get a sawzall blade INSIDE to cut the shaft, then push the bent part outward from the cover. The second time, the shaft wasn't bent as bad and i was able to cut it from the outside, and it still didn't pass thru the cover easily.
Make sense?
Which side of the bike does the shaft need to be removed from?
Also, any suggestion on how to cut the end of the shaft without scratching/cutting into other surfaces in that area?
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After you get the clutch cover off, there's a large E-Clip on the shaft that has to be removed, then the shaft can be removed from the opposite side of the bike. Of course you have to remove a small cover and a bolt from that side as well...
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dremel will do the job but you will go through a coiuple of wheels. I would use 4 inch angle grinder and go slow about it, to keep from grinding on the case. I would also remove those bolts around it first.
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Alas, an angle grinder is a tool for which I do not have access. I have a Dremel and a Sawzall.
Also, any recommendations on a source for the geachange shaft assembly?
One site, BikeBandit lists it twice as such:
Triumph GEARCHANGE SHAFT ASSEMBLY
T1190850
$99.22
Triumph GEARCHANGE SHAFT ASSEMBLY
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T1190850
$99.22
What's with the "Eng No 372712"??
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One site, BikeBandit lists it twice as such:
Triumph GEARCHANGE SHAFT ASSEMBLY
T1190850
$99.22
Triumph GEARCHANGE SHAFT ASSEMBLY
> Eng No 372712
T1190850
$99.22
What's with the "Eng No 372712"??
literally the engine #. look on your engine. the '>' means greater than. The part you will need is dependent on your engine #
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Per your post, It seems that the part number is the same for either engine?
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I'm just confused as to why, when it's the same part no., they have two listings for it.
Well, I'll get it ordered. I picked up a lift for the bike at Cycle Gear last night for $99... on sale from $135. About time to get to work.
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I've got all the bolts off of the clutch cover and I used a bar to bend the end of the shaft back down, but the cover feels like it's attached to something at it's center. Am I missing something?
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either the breather tube. Gently tap it from the right side. It is a coverdick that seals on a o-ring through the engine case.
or you'll need to loosen and let hang the footrest bar.
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So being the impatient sort, I managed to pull the clutch cover out far enough to see some tube thing connected to the frame and inside of the clutch cover. Looking online I was able to determine it is the breather tube, as moe surrmised. Tonight I will look at it and determine if my impatience is going to cost me ~$200.
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They don't manufacture them anymore.  even though it is listed...You might get lucky though!  This is one of those tips and tricks not mentioned in the maintenance manuals or if it is, is seldom made prominent enough: Gently tap the tube out of the engine case from the right side. Use something that won't damage the tube like a 2x2 or some such object. I think I used a broken off paint paddle to cover the tube. (real soft wood the paint paddle is), then I tapped the broken off paint paddle that was resting on the breather tube, with a paint roller handle.
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I think i still have a spare vent-pipe-assembly-thingy i could dig up if you can't find one reasonably elsewhere. Let me know.
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Thanks, Rob. I'll let you know.
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Looks like I lucked out... doesn't seem to be damaged.
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Ok, I have the shaft removed and I am supposed to be able to pick up my replacement tomorrow, along with replacement gaskets for the left and right side covers. Any suggestions/advice on surface prep before putting things back together?
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Replace the shaft seal! And the clutch actuation arm seal if need be, while you have the cover off. Get every bit of gasket material off using a putty knife. Then use some 400 grit paper to get the rest. Stick the gasket to the case with a bit of black high temp silicon. Oil the breather tube o-ring before installing. Put a small smear of grease on the clutch activator pin. WATCH OUT FOR THE WAVE WASHER! Use a dab of grease to hold it on the shaft.  Photo credit to http://www.dinqua.com/
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Why would they not include a new seal with the shaft?? Ugh.
Clutch actuation arm seal... is that the seal at the top of the pin type thing that the clutch cable attaches to?
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I'm not working, I could come up to Auburn and give you a hand, PM me, if you want, Ryk
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Why would they not include a new seal with the shaft?? Ugh.
Between the both of yous, y'all should have figured that the seal was bad too, bent shaft and all... Also it is a separate part number = more dinaro.
Yes you knew the seal was bad, but the parts counters guy either just didn't give a flying fkcu, or simply overlooked it and/or failed to tell you that the seal does not come with the shaft. We always have to tell the parts guys what we need. Like the time I ordered a rear brake light switch, yes you got it, there where no banjo washers included. grrr.
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Clutch actuation arm seal... is that the seal at the top of the pin type thing that the clutch cable attaches to?
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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It's a part not a kit. Obvious.
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