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Next problem. Rode about 2 miles to wash my bike. It's back firing occasionally. Get done, got the highway. More backfires. Then BAM! Dead. None of the same problems as before. Still have power to everything. Turns over, doesn't start.
Ideas?
Pro-com is set to 5.
Still pushing it home as I type this on my phone.
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OH $h!t !!!! 
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No doubt. I can't imagine that setting the procom on 5 would do that even though they suggest 4. Maybe I'll put the stock CDI back on and see if it works. If it does I'll bathe it in silicone or epoxy resin to try and waterproof it, but if I hit serious rain again I'll just have to plan on stopping. If I'm not feeling so drained tomorrow I'll do that and pull my jets and bowls and douche everything out just in case. I've been running seafoam in it as a winterizing thing so I don't think the carbs are the problem. The procom is the only thing that's changed (functionally) since Washington last September. If I'm driving I don't know what route to take. I don't fancy following a bunch of bikes in my car and only driving 400 miles a day. I might meet you in Boise then blaze for Prescott straight through the next day. I'm sure the Sierra Inn will have rooms a couple days early. 
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Not good news at all!!Prayers on the way!I am leaving tomorrow am to meet up with friend Bill on monday..hope to see you wednesday morn at the "Rockies!"
life is good..I am retired..sold my America in 2008,bought a Rocket and sold that in 3/2013 and now own a new Triumph Bonneville T-100
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That really sucks John. Sounds like Procom took a crap.
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I would already have the stock ignitor back in. The thing that confuses me with the # setting on those, how could it possibly make a difference if it's still set for a 270º motor? If my ignitor went out, I would just replace it with any that works, not one that matched the number on it. If 4 and 5 both work for our engines, it really shouldn't matter. Once disconnected, the wiring harness can't possibly know the difference. It sucks taking it all apart to put the stock unit back in, but really should only take about a half hour. I know, I just did it since the Procom unit I got a week ago didn't work and I had to take it back out so I could send it in. My replacement is in the box here, just waiting...
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CRAP!! Fingers crossed for ya, man.
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Best wishes John , hope you get this figured out soon and for the least possible expense.
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DUDE !!! that sucks sorry man .... where is the dislike button??? 
Are we there YET? I gotta go pee!!
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I'll put the stocker back in tomorrow. If it works I'll spray the hell out of it with some kind of sealant and hope for the best.
I don't think I mentioned, but it backfired so hard through the right carb it blew off the air filter (safety wired, of course).
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I know its a long shot but if it happens to be your coil(s) I have a spare set of OEM I can bring along.
Heck if Karens igniter would work Id bring that but hers is an 865 igniter.
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Well, this sure sucks!
After that hellacious backfire you described John, did you check to see if you still have compression on both cylinders? I ask only because it sounds as if your spark was somehow so far advanced that I'm hoping you didn't hole a piston.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that that's not the case, and that it's just a faulty Pro-Com unit, and that your old unit will end up being the fix.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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That really sucks John. Sounds like Procom took a crap.
I hope that the PROCOM's are a little more reliable than that! I have a brand new one sitting in my spare room that I have not installed yet. I was planning on installing it after I got it back from getting new clutch plates installed. Good luck John and keep us posted to let us know what you find out. 
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Well, this sure sucks!
After that hellacious backfire you described John, did you check to see if you still have compression on both cylinders? I ask only because it sounds as if your spark was somehow so far advanced that I'm hoping you didn't hole a piston.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that that's not the case, and that it's just a faulty Pro-Com unit, and that your old unit will end up being the fix.
Is there a way to check for compression without a gauge?
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You won't be able to get an actual reading of the compression with the following method of course, but you could use the old roadside method of removing the spark plugs and holding your thumb loosely over each hole while you spin the starter motor.
If you've holed a piston you'll get no suction/air-push on your thumb.
I doubt you have holed either of them, but I'd definitely rule this out by doing this anyway.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Could I have damaged the electrodes on the spark plugs? If I'm going to pull the tank anyway I might check on those, and of course, do the thumb-based compression test. 
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Could I have damaged the electrodes on the spark plugs? If I'm going to pull the tank anyway I might check on those, and of course, do the thumb-based compression test.
did you do something to them? Why do you ask this question?
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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I haven't changed a thing except the CDI, fuel filter and the petcock. Haven't touched the carbs. Oh, I cleaned the air filters. New battery. All the fuses are good.
Dwight is talking about a possible hole in the piston. This seems highly unlikely, of course.
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John. Did this happen after you washed the bike. Just asking cause I used to have a old yamma XT500, and if the coils got soaked bad (usually after washing) it would backfire like hell (or not start) till they got dried out.
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My speedy did a similar thing and sounded like the Blitz before it died. Fried the harness and half the plug going into the cdi!
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Heck if Karens igniter would work Id bring that but hers is an 865 igniter.
Again, how can this possibly make a difference? 270º is 270º right? Is it because of the cams that the timing is different? I'm sure this has been covered somewhere along the way, but I can't seem to remember it at the moment.
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I haven't changed a thing except the CDI, fuel filter and the petcock. Haven't touched the carbs. Oh, I cleaned the air filters. New battery. All the fuses are good.
Dwight is talking about a possible hole in the piston. This seems highly unlikely, of course.
Yeah, on second thought here John, usually "hole-ing" a piston involves pre-ignition AND high operational heat. And so, because it sounds like you had sprayed water all over your bike and it wasn't overly hot when this happened, I'm now thinkin' it's just a case that you soaked your coil or some other part of your wiring harness while you were washing it and you had a short. In fact, I'll bet there's a good chance your bike will fire up this morning, once it's dried off.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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John. Did this happen after you washed the bike. Just asking cause I used to have a old yamma XT500, and if the coils got soaked bad (usually after washing) it would backfire like hell (or not start) till they got dried out.
Yeah Dwight thats what I reckoned too.
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Yep, I should've acknowledged your thoughts there, Colin. 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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No problem Dwight. I'm sure you know what they say about great minds.(They also say the same thing about fools) Take your pick.
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Pro-com is set to 5.
Is that the right setting for the part number of your stock CDI?
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WELL!!!! What happened this morning with the bike????? Were waiting!
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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John. Did this happen after you washed the bike. Just asking cause I used to have a old yamma XT500, and if the coils got soaked bad (usually after washing) it would backfire like hell (or not start) till they got dried out.
No, it backfired a couple times on the way to the car wash.
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Bike didn't fire. Ran the battery down trying. It's sort of charging right now (hooked up to the jump pack).
Plugs are fine. Not fowled.
Compression appears to be very strong, based on the thumb test.
Stock CDI doesn't make it go.
All the fuses are good.
Not sure what to check next. Could be the coils. Have no way to test. Doubt both coils would fail at the same time and there's not so much as a gurgle when turning over. It's not even trying to start. The sparkplug wires are virtually new.
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Oh, on a separate note, there was some gas weeping around the Pingle. I hope it's the hose connection. It might be around the threads. It doesn't appear to be the mounting block.
There's plenty of gas in the fuel filter so it's not choked off.
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So did you bypass the side stand switch to rule out water invasion?
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How about spark...do you get spark?
Check the connections at the coils as well. Both for the plug wires and power/ground... look inside the plug wire and see if there may be a problem there.
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Heck if Karens igniter would work Id bring that but hers is an 865 igniter.
Again, how can this possibly make a difference? 270º is 270º right? Is it because of the cams that the timing is different? I'm sure this has been covered somewhere along the way, but I can't seem to remember it at the moment.
Yeah, I believe that the issue here would be cam timing and ignition profiles.
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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What about bad gas? I know you rode it before this happened. Did you gas up the day before this happened?
If the explosion knocked a carb filter off I wonder if it could have damaged any of the internal rubbers like the diaphram at the carb top. Easy enough to check.
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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The gas in the tank is fresh. Anything in the carbs, which were run dry last Fall, should have already burned through.
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SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Haven't checked yet. Not home.
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Squirrel condoms? Did one get dislodged at the car wash?
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So did you bypass the side stand switch to rule out water invasion?
I'd check Ed's comment first. Keep it simple.
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