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I worked on new member ce7871's bike today who lives near Baltimore. He came up to let me look at his Memphis Fats windshield. While his bike was in the garage, I noticed his Sceptre pipes were a golden brown. He said he's been polishing them to remove the brown and I told him we can pull them and hit them on my buffing wheels. We pulled the pipes and ran them over a wheel with stainless rouge, than some white jewelers rouge. They looked like a million bucks. The bad news is when he rode home to Baltimore, they were just as brown as when he pulled in my garage. What the heck? I don't know his carb jetting, but I rode the bike for a short ride (we put on some new front brake pads) on a test and there is no popping on decel. His header pipes are fine, and show no signs of lean-condition coloring. Here's a shot of his pipes and headers:  He said the pipes aren't ceramic coated inside but I can't believe stainless would color like that. I certainly wouldn't be happy paying Sceptre pipe dollars for brown pipes. Is there anything else that could be causing this issue or is this just a Sceptre thing? I always thought the main attraction of stainless was once you got it shiny, it stayed that way. I told Bill that I'd throw this out on the list. Btw, a he's a heck of a nice guy!
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My Sceptres turn a gold, yellowish hue, but I buff em out maybe once a year with BlueBuster and they look great until I decide to do it again, never a brown color though...
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Mine go gold too. Not brown. I had them polished which took it away. The gold doesn't bother me though. A brown color would though...
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My Sceptres turn a gold, yellowish hue, but I buff em out maybe once a year with BlueBuster and they look great until I decide to do it again, never a brown color though...
Yeah, that's what it was. I'm not sure I could live with that, particularly given their price. I'll stick with my Specialty Spares (although they definitely don't sound as deep as those Sceptres. Bill says he's been buffing them annually. I'm disappointed that after removing the pipes, buffing them with a cloth wheel that the gold color came right back.
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It's a small price to pay (the yellowing) to not have them get rusty, especially all the scrapes on the bottoms from deep cornering
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When you weld the lower grades of stainless you get a rainbow of temper colors adjacent to the weld, that is called carbide precipitation and is actually carbon migrating to the surface, the yellow hue that you see has to do with the nickel content (ratio of nickel to chromium) of the alloy. The best alloy for non discoloration and resistance to oxidation and corrosion is 316 ELC (extra low carbon). For the prices that are charged for Sceptres you would think they would spend the dime and use the better grades. They are probably 303 or 304 from what your reporting.
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Doesn't matter now, they quit making them 
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My Sceptres turn a gold, yellowish hue, but I buff em out maybe once a year with BlueBuster and they look great until I decide to do it again, never a brown color though...
Hmmmm, mine lasts a day or so, then the gold is right back, certainly don't get a year out of them?
Thanks ssjones, at least after your hard work they are just back to gold and the brown is gone. yeah it was a BIG disappointment when i originally got them and didn't know you had to coat them first DOH! anyone know of a fix? i have heard on other forums that people paint the inside with heat resistant paint?
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I just told Bill via email those pipes sure do sound sweet. I heard him exit my neighborhood, go down two rural roads than get on the hammer entering I-70, which is just over two miles from the house! Almost makes me want to remove that packing material from my SS baffles!
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Bill would like to try painting the inside of his pipes with some high-temp paint. Any other Sceptre owners here try this? The baffles are riveted in place, they would have to be removed to gain access. Can a screw be put back in to hold the baffles once the rivet is drilled out? (or re-rivet?)
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The rivets they use are heavy industrial ones, you're not likely to find them in a hardware store. Also, you will need a pneumatic rivet gun to attach them, a hand squeeze type won't get it all the way set. I've lost two baffles from rivet problems.
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The rivets they use are heavy industrial ones, you're not likely to find them in a hardware store. Also, you will need a pneumatic rivet gun to attach them, a hand squeeze type won't get it all the way set. I've lost two baffles from rivet problems.
His baffles are already out, the rivet there must be for the baffle stop. There was a hole closer to the pipe end, that must have been the baffle retention rivet.
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The hole closer to the end is for the extra Gold and Silver 8" baffles you can get from Team Triumph, those have set screws. The original baffles are factory riveted.
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I made the mistake of taking the baffles out of my sceptres and needed ear plugs when I took it for a ride. stopped in at team triumph and Darcy gave me stainless pop rivets to secure them back in. Hardest part was hitting both holes at once.
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My bike ran like crap with no baffles in the Sceptre's, I need that back pressure. I don't think it sounded good either, too tinny and definitely too loud. I am thinking about getting the silver inserts to add a bit more back pressure and maybe quiet down the highway ride just a touch.
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My bike ran like crap with no baffles in the Sceptre's, I need that back pressure. I don't think it sounded good either, too tinny and definitely too loud. I am thinking about getting the silver inserts to add a bit more back pressure and maybe quiet down the highway ride just a touch.
Huh? Perhaps the design changed, because my baffles shipped separate from the pipes and install with screws? And although my pipes are loud my bike runs great? I am completely...baffled. (sorry I really couldn't resist.)
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Are you talking about the 8" baffle inserts that go close up to the end? Because there are other baffles in the pipes riveted in from the factory, and they are about 24" long.
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just a thought about the pipes turning brown, it is possible to induce rust into 300 series stainless steel. The most likely way to have this happen is to apply steel wool to the once nice stainless pipes. This would result in a brown discoloration.
FWIW, my scepters have approx 25,000 miles on them and they are just starting to be a uniform gold color. they used to be gold at the transition from the header but now it is across the whole pipe. I kind of like it and am not doing anything about it.
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I have same on mine, just gold around the clamps to the header pipes. Doesn't bother me either.
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just a thought about the pipes turning brown, it is possible to induce rust into 300 series stainless steel. The most likely way to have this happen is to apply steel wool to the once nice stainless pipes. This would result in a brown discoloration.
FWIW, my scepters have approx 25,000 miles on them and they are just starting to be a uniform gold color. they used to be gold at the transition from the header but now it is across the whole pipe. I kind of like it and am not doing anything about it.
nope, never hit them with anything abrasive. the gold i could deal with, the brown, not so much. so here is my latest. jet-hot can coat the inside of the pipes; but not with the baffles in (so yeah i found out the baffles are two stage) so i need to find somewhere near me that can re-rivet the baffles back in after the coating. any ideas on what industry i would even start to look at for industrial riveting? 
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I recommended Grainger to Bill, but they have 8+ pages of rivets! I have a compressor and colleague has a pneumatic rivet gun. Can anyone tell Bill which rivet to use to reinstall the 1st stage baffles? Quote:
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just a thought about the pipes turning brown, it is possible to induce rust into 300 series stainless steel. The most likely way to have this happen is to apply steel wool to the once nice stainless pipes. This would result in a brown discoloration.
FWIW, my scepters have approx 25,000 miles on them and they are just starting to be a uniform gold color. they used to be gold at the transition from the header but now it is across the whole pipe. I kind of like it and am not doing anything about it.
nope, never hit them with anything abrasive. the gold i could deal with, the brown, not so much. so here is my latest. jet-hot can coat the inside of the pipes; but not with the baffles in (so yeah i found out the baffles are two stage) so i need to find somewhere near me that can re-rivet the baffles back in after the coating. any ideas on what industry i would even start to look at for industrial riveting?
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Just call Team Triumph and have them send you a couple. I have one or two extras they sent me somewhere...
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Just call Team Triumph and have them send you a couple. I have one or two extras they sent me somewhere...
is this the outfit in WI? would you happen to have a URL for them?
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Had my new Tridents on about a week. They did turn very slightly yellow towards the front, this wiped off with a rub of Solvol Autosol.
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Team triumph was triumph1.com last I knew http://triumph1.com/also I used flitz on my pipes and it temporarily gets rid of the gold. mike
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Update: 6/29/11:
Bill ordered the Thumb screws and I installed them last night. I found his factory D-screws were only set 1.75 turns out for Sceptres and those jets. I'm amazed the bike didn't pop/snarl with that lean a setting. I set the thumb screws out 3.5 turns and the bike ran great on a test loop and on Bills 2 hr ride home. There was just a hint of back-burble on decel, which sounded nice, but I told Bill he could dial out with another quarter turn out or so.
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- the D-screws were an SOB to get out with the piece of a ballpoint pen, but we were victorious.
- the idle speed was set too high, Bill said 1700 rpm. I rest at 1k, which sounded right to me.
- I really miss my America after riding Bills....
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I've run my Sceptre Pipes from the day I got them like 4 years ago and they still look like new.
No dis-coloration anywhere.
Check the ingredients of any cleaner you use on Stainless Steel.
If it has Hydrochloric or Muratic Acids listed?
That's a No-No!
It will cause corrosion.
They may be fine for Chrome but not Stainless Steel!
Also don't use a fine steel wool type product to buff the Pipes.
That embeds crap on a microscopic scale that causes problems also.
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I think the Golden hue of "Ridden" pipes adds cool and shows that shes not just a poser ...sorry ..but owning 2 older machines its part of life...IMHO
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I think the Golden hue of "Ridden" pipes adds cool and shows that shes not just a poser ...sorry ..but owning 2 older machines its part of life...IMHO
Pipes are about 7 years old. The mods made to my air intake left the system lean which was BROWNING them up...I personally don't need a gold hue or any other to show anyone anything. keeping my bike how I like and not really caring if someone counts me as ridden or posing...THAT is what being a rider (just riding a triumph says you don't follow the pack) is all about IMHO
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