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White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden by Ulsterman in Issues, May 3, 2011 "What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him-and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound." Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington DC Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled" by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event. Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled" by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate? A: I was told — in these exact terms, “we overruled him. (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act. There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president. I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East. Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed? A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion — he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act — sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated — this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated — he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton persuaded him to stay on and see the operation through. What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation. It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him-and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go — including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority — namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order — it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order. This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military — both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain. The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed" on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room. At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident." Much more certain of himself. He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present. In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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WTF is the point of posting that? Even the mods need to review the AUP occasionally...
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"What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him-and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."
What's the point, John?!
Well, my GUESS might be maybe somethin' like...Thank God for Italian-Americans, 'cause who would know better than okayin' a hit on some lowlife than one o' them!!!

Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Btw...after my latest little(and yet ANOTHER very un-PC) response there above in this thread, I'm NOW thinkin' that I sure hope I don't find myself wakin' up tomorrow mornin' and findin' a freakin' horse head layin' next to me!!!!  (...LEON...DUDE...it was just a friggin' JOKE!!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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 I guess it is redundant. Although it does express an opinion of the POTUS it does so implicitly and, I thought, without violating the tenants of the AUP. Chalk it up to having been away from the puter for a couple of days... I'll go to my corner now. 
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NO!!! Don't slink away, moe!!!! Thanks to YOU, this friggin' thread was just startin' to get FUN again, DUDE!!! (...I mean it seems all my OTHER straight men around here who were tossin' these FAT ONES right across the plate for me here seem to have lost interest in this friggin' thing!!!...I NEED ya to stick around, ol' buddy!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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 This picture from earlier in the thread really needs to be attached to the post by Moe.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Actually Larry, wouldn't THIS be a better picture to attach to moe's post....  And maybe with the caption: "That's okay Mr. President. I already told the Navy SEALS to leave the guns, but take any cannollis and birth certificates they might find!"
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Well, I guess I can take a bottle of shampoo in my carry-on again now.
Don't hold your breath.
Then I guess this doesn't really change anything.
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Well, I guess I can take a bottle of shampoo in my carry-on again now.
Don't hold your breath.
Then I guess this doesn't really change anything.
Yep, maybe so, cci.
However, who really likes or really wants...

...ANYWAY, huh?! 
Well, at least I got me a feelin' moe and Larry(not to mention I'll bet Curly TOO) doesn't want it or like it, anyway!!!! 
And hey, I know I'M probably not the only one around here who tosses his "change" into a large coffee can on his dresser every night before retiring to bed!!!
(...GOD I'm LOVIN' this stupid friggin' thread here!!!!) 

(OH, and btw "cci"...what the heck is your REAL NAME, dude??? I mean I can't call ya "cci" all friggin' weekend of the SWTF when ya get here, ya know!!!)
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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The public flogging of Moe shall commence in Prescott in just under four weeks.
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Honestly I've been secretly hoping this thread would have died by now, before the conspiracy nuts would start posting their stuff or before people would start getting REALLY political.
I let this thread go so long because this was a very big, very emotional event and I know people need to express themselves. Just keep it on topic. And it's a bit played out if ya ask me.
Osama bin Laden? Yep, still dead. YAY! Next?
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Seriously, he's not coming back to life. We can drop it now. Call in SEAL Team 6 on this thread.
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The public flogging of Moe shall commence in Prescott in just under four weeks.

Yeah, but all the while with a brewski in everyone's hand! 
(...including the "flogee"!!!) 
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Bill.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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The public flogging of Moe shall commence in Prescott in just under four weeks.
Just as long as it is not Hillary that does it! (Although with her being livid with the POTUS and her stance on taking Bin Laden, I liked old thunder thighs for a fleeting moment.)
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And it's a bit played out if ya ask me.
Osama bin Laden? Yep, still dead. YAY! Next?
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And it's a bit played out if ya ask me.
Osama bin Laden? Yep, still dead. YAY! Next?
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Actually, kind of reminds of the very early days of Saturday Night Live, with Chevy Chase, when he would announce on the Weekend Update that Fransico Franco was still dead!
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Seriously, he's not coming back to life.
So Dave, in essence you're sayin' here that the moron probably won't find some kind-hearted soul who'll be able to "resurrect" him like you did that old International Travelall and that old Dodge o' yours, huh?! 
(...well, in his case, that's probably a good thing I'd say!!!) 

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And it's a bit played out if ya ask me.
Osama bin Laden? Yep, still dead. YAY! Next?
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Actually, kind of reminds of the very early days of Saturday Night Live, with Chevy Chase, when he would announce on the Weekend Update that Fransico Franco was still dead!
Yep Greg, but the difference here is(and the reason that that old SNL running joke was so funny was) that that old Spanish dictator suffered for months while lingering on his death bed and while the news services kept reporting he was "still alive".
(...and unfortunately for us, the OTHER moron we're talkin' about here was "lucky" that it was all over for him in only a second or two, and that HE didn't have to suffer like the Generalissimo did!!!)
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Seriously, he's not coming back to life.
So Dave, in essence you're sayin' here that the moron probably won't find some kind-hearted soul who'll be able to "resurrect" him like you did that old International Travelall and that old Dodge o' yours, huh?! 
(...well, in his case, that's probably a good thing I'd say!!!) 
pet cemetery comes to mind.
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Btw...after my latest little(and yet ANOTHER very un-PC) response there above in this thread, I'm NOW thinkin' that I sure hope I don't find myself wakin' up tomorrow mornin' and findin' a freakin' horse head layin' next to me!!!! 
(...LEON...DUDE...it was just a friggin' JOKE!!!!)
I wouldn't worry about that Dwight, they probably think that you'd regard the head as the beginnings of a good meal but be slightly miffed about having to wash the sheets 
What they might do, however, is leave the front end of that trusty cardinal red stead of yours lying next to you. Now THAT would be upsetting 
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The story Moe posted sounds more like the Obama I would have expected.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains. Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
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