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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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In those tight turns I wonder why he does a kink the opposite way first. Obviously it helps but I wanna know why.
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I was wondering the same thing.
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Just goes to show you that too many cones and riding dosn't go together. 
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In those tight turns I wonder why he does a kink the opposite way first. Obviously it helps but I wanna know why.
I have the videos... it gets you positioned both physically and mentally. If you go into some of those maneuvers head on you wont make it. Think if it as a warm up also.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I was going to call it a "counter-steer initiator." Kind of a wuss move but hey, whatever works... 
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I do it every time I make a U turn in the middle or the road it comes very natural.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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That little kick to the opposite is like a wheel on casters. Its just enough to make the tire swivel in the opposite direction. try it, it will make your turns a lot tighter. And DON'T LOOK DOWN! TURN THAT HEAD! 
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That's a good course on DVD - well worth the time & money
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I still don't get it. Counter-steering doesn't work under about 15kph ... and as evidence, if you watch the video carefully, his bike always goes in the direction the wheel turns - both on the kick outwards and in the u-turn. Just trying to get my head around it. 
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Been through the course twice and I loved it.
The quick turn in the opposite direction causes you to start leaning and turning before your wheels reach the edge. It allows you to make a tighter turn in the same space.
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I still don't get it. Counter-steering doesn't work under about 15kph ... and as evidence, if you watch the video carefully, his bike always goes in the direction the wheel turns - both on the kick outwards and in the u-turn.
This whole counter-steering thing is a bit over-stated, IMO. It's a relatively new term used to explain something that just comes naturally... instinctively. Back in the day, before the term was invented the idea of steering a bike wasn't even a 'thing.' I mean there I was back in the '50s learning how to ride a bicycle and no one had to explain how to steer it. I wanted to turn, and the bike turned... at any speed.
Just an observation.
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I saw them in Leesburg FL bikefest  !! I wouldn't mind getting those videos myself 
Are we there YET? I gotta go pee!!
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Its hard to dispute guys that have this level of skill and control. These guys are turning tight with big bikes.
When you dissect something like this you understand it better. Making it teachable then it becomes a system that can be improved upon.
I rode intuitively for years till I read an article on countersteering. I started practicing it I found that my ability to maneuver the bike increased exponitially.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Have 3 of the videos. Well worth it, I think the zig is to break the bikes balance allowing it to flop a little easier
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Re the U-turn thing here:
If you think about it, that first little turn to the right allows for a great diameter circle once you've begun your U-turn maneuver, right...err...correct guy?!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Very useful video. I always can use a refresher and am always learning (and critiquing my riding technicque). Thanks!!
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I rode intuitively for years till I read an article on countersteering. I started practicing it I found that my ability to maneuver the bike increased exponitially.
Same here Chad.
Thanks Dwight and Steve - I think both answers are probably true. I can see how it may take a bit of time otherwise to get the bike leaning in so tight a circle. And because it's slow and no counter-steer it's tempting to try and keep the bike upright as much as possible.
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This whole counter-steering thing is a bit over-stated, IMO. It's a relatively new term used to explain something that just comes naturally... instinctively. Back in the day, before the term was invented the idea of steering a bike wasn't even a 'thing.' I mean there I was back in the '50s learning how to ride a bicycle and no one had to explain how to steer it. I wanted to turn, and the bike turned... at any speed.
Just an observation.
Counter-steering is a real thing Keith. If I'm too wide or too hot in a turn, my salvation is looking through the turn and counter-steering. I can't force the bike into a tighter turn by leaning or will-power but I can crank on as much counter-steer as I need to. Works for me!
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Its hard to dispute guys that have this level of skill and control. These guys are turning tight with big bikes.
When you dissect something like this you understand it better. Making it teachable then it becomes a system that can be improved upon.
I rode intuitively for years till I read an article on countersteering. I started practicing it I found that my ability to maneuver the bike increased exponitially.
Check out this 99 pound 19 year old cutie.
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Counter-steering is a real thing Keith.
Oh yes Bill, of course! It is THE way to make it through corners over a certain speed... I understand that. I was just saying the mechanics of steering are instinctive. Somehow once we learned to keep our balance on a bicycle we naturally found our way through turns. The term counter-steering can and has confused many a newbie as they struggle to grasp the logic in it all. Anywho... carry on, it was just a thought that passed through my mind.
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I'd like to be able to do a u-turn like in the video, but am worried I would drop my bike practicing. Maybe I need to get a beater bike for this stuff. I s'pose I could use an old Harley for that...  
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I'd like to be able to do a u-turn like in the video, but am worried I would drop my bike practicing.
Maybe I need to get a beater bike for this stuff. I s'pose I could use an old Harley for that...
I had the same concern...I just started with bigger circles and got tighter and tighter. Next thing I knew my pipes were dragging in a complete circle. This was two seasons ago and its true....practice practice or you'll forget. I need to dig out my tennis balls and go practice again.
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I rode intuitively for years till I read an article on countersteering. I started practicing it I found that my ability to maneuver the bike increased exponitially.
and I agree with you as well Chad. When I had it explained to me, and started practicing it, my riding really improved.
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Was riding with my son saturday. While in a parking lot waiting for a friend we decided to practice those maneuvers. I was amazed at how tight we got our turn radius down to.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Re the U-turn thing here:
If you think about it, that first little turn to the right allows for a great diameter circle once you've begun your U-turn maneuver, right...err...correct guy?!
correct. To get the contact patch that close to the cones without having a lean on already, would result in knocking down cones. When the bike is leaned the bits & pieces that may contact the cones are leaning up & away. Valuable inches .
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