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Ok what's up with tbs needles what r they? why do I want them? what r they going to do for me? I running short little drag pipes like the jcwhiny ones and I'm planing on gheto freak this summer. I know I need to re jet again when I do that sooo I want know if I should be plaining to do them too.
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TBS needles are the ones used by Triumph on the early Thunderbird if I remember correctly. They are used to adjust the midrange performance of your ride. Typically there are 3 ranges of needles most fellows use here. The stock ones with or without shims. TBS needles with or without shims which allow more fuel in the mid range settings. Finally the Thruxton needles which allow the most fuel in the mid range. You will have to choose which needles works the best for you either through seat of the pants riding, or dyno tunes.
I use the TBS which helps with the mid range flat spot our bikes have once you start to mod them.
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last question were can I get them
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http://www.ducatitech.com/2v/img/fcr_graphs.gif
this should explain it all.
ya did t tell me much
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cool thanks its going on the list I think I am going to have to have it dynoed when I am done this year
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The graph is about how the carby works, and balance between the parts. Because its all about throttle position. In other word you can put jetts, and or needles in and end up with "dead spots". Lean and or rich areas through out the throttle range. The chart should help with understanding what needs to be done as you work on your carbs.
For example after you get done. When you go for a ride and you have say an area in the throttle range that dont have the pulling power or pulls harder in one area. You can look at the chart and it will tell you what to change.
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I have a tuff time noticing any changes lol
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My experience with the TBS is very positive. Initially I tried the thruxton needles and mid range they were great but just too thirsty. Then I thought I'd go back to the tried and trusted oem's with a shim. Gee, after feeling what the mid range using those thirsty thruxtons was like, Ferdie felt like a tired old bull ready for dog meat. So I then tried the TBS's. Yep, just like the story of "The Three Bears". Probably a tad thirsty than the oem's with one shim but there's a reason for that.  As far as where to buy them, I just rang up Pro-Cycles St.Peters in Sydney and got them to send them to me.
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I got Thruxton needles. I am only getting about 40mpg. maybe I am goin to TBS myself. Will they be leaner probably.
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Chad - How did you like the Thruxtons performance wise?
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Performance wise they are great they drink up the fuel though. I can do a spinout for about 4 feet.
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I run Thruxtons with a shim. I only get 39 mpg commuting(city/highway mix). The performance cant be beat thats why I deal with the loss of mpg. I wonder what I would get on a real highway run.
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Performance wise they are great they drink up the fuel though. I can do a spinout for about 4 feet.
Did they get rid of your popping?
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I got straight exhaust (no Baffles so you gotta expect a little popping) They reduced it quite abit. I am probably going to get bigger pilots.
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Did they get rid of your popping?
Popping is a condition that is hard to isolate, yet once I pulled the plug on the TPS is was gone. Finito. Done! Thing of the past!! Not just my experience but shared by many!
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Did they get rid of your popping?
Popping is a condition that is hard to isolate, yet once I pulled the plug on the TPS is was gone. Finito. Done! Thing of the past!! Not just my experience but shared by many!
I'll have to give that a try, Keith. I seem to remember a long thread on here about that a while ago...
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I've read the purpose of the tps but "blank capping" mine had no negatives and only positives. Glad I did it, and mucht tidier too. Btw, I can't see myself ever going back to oem regsrdless. My only consideration now is what size mains.
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the jet caculator pined to the performance area is really accurate.
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Following this thread did you get the TBS needles from bike bandit that originally went in the T-bird?? Are those the version that we would get for our bikes?
Since I've been ripping my carbs apart every other day for the past two weeks now might be a good time to tweak those and the mains.
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Since I've been ripping my carbs apart every other day for the past two weeks now might be a good time to tweak those and the mains.
What are you doing..............practicing
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No, Chad...in another post I was soliciting help with getting my bike running right at upper throttle positions. I think I have it on the run now-pun intended, but the process was a lot of pulling, cleaning, checking, etc. with the carbs. I have to do it all at least one more time to put in my inline fuel filter and figured hey while I'm in there I think Chuck may be onto something here 
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No, Chad...in another post I was soliciting help with getting my bike running right at upper throttle positions. I think I have it on the run now-pun intended, but the process was a lot of pulling, cleaning, checking, etc. with the carbs. I have to do it all at least one more time to put in my inline fuel filter and figured hey while I'm in there I think Chuck may be onto something here
I orderd them but I dont know when I am going to put them in waiting for a air box to gut first then I need to get filters and jets sooooo I got a good two months if not more before I even get that far
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So to clarify you did indeed get the T-bird ones you linked earlier on bike bandit right? Keep me posted on how you like them and all the juicy details. Please that is. 
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Following this thread did you get the TBS needles from bike bandit that originally went in the T-bird?? Are those the version that we would get for our bikes?
Since I've been ripping my carbs apart every other day for the past two weeks now might be a good time to tweak those and the mains.
bad jojo to change things for performance gains while you still have an unsorted issue. just saying...
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Yeah your probably very right Moe. I'll wait until I make sure she's solid. Then screw it all up again. Haha
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As I once saind in an earlier post, the TBS and Thrux needles work well if you still have stock pilot jets because they flow a bit more fuel in the mid range and make up for higher flowing modified airboxes and pod filters. If you go up to 45 pilot you may find the TBS and thrux needles to be too rich and may end up back with a shimmed stock needle. Just my experience from playing aound with the carbs on my 07 BA.
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...I'll wait until I make sure she's solid. Then screw it all up again. Haha
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As I once saind in an earlier post, the TBS and Thrux needles work well if you still have stock pilot jets because they flow a bit more fuel in the mid range and make up for higher flowing modified airboxes and pod filters. If you go up to 45 pilot you may find the TBS and thrux needles to be too rich and may end up back with a shimmed stock needle. Just my experience from playing aound with the carbs on my 07 BA.
I got the thruxton needles with 130 mains, stock pilots, and the screw are 3 turns out. The air box has been drilled out with (5) 5/8 holes in a diamond patern kind of like dice. I have a unifilter with the snorkle removed, and 18 inch long 2 inch diameter pipes with a 90 degree turn down (no baffles) clamped onto the stock header pipes were the slip on silencers clamp on. I am really close to right or at least as close as one can get without a dyno.
(I am only getting about 40 mpg, but got lotsa power.)
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Sounds like a good setup locopony. I jetted my bike by the seat of the pants too and have similar mods. My BA is kind of a pig when it comes to gas mileage also, but i got a small fairing in front and like to ride fast so, you gotta give up something. Right now the bike is in the shop getting TPUSA 813 cams and igniter, so hopefully when I get it back it will be stronger still.
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It will be I want to some cams but I found that Wiseco has a 1200cc big bore kit I really want to do that, but its $9000.00
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Sounds like a good setup locopony. I jetted my bike by the seat of the pants too and have similar mods. My BA is kind of a pig when it comes to gas mileage also, but i got a small fairing in front and like to ride fast so, you gotta give up something. Right now the bike is in the shop getting TPUSA 813 cams and igniter, so hopefully when I get it back it will be stronger still.
Hey Pat!
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Hey Charlie, I'm having Gengras Motorcycles in East Hartford do the install. Cams are a little above my skill level plus they came and picked up the bike at my house with a box truck and are coordinating the job with Triumph Performace USA, so that made the whole process a lot easier.
Putting in the 813 cams and retimed igniter which adds up to about $1,000 bucks in parts from TPUSA. Gengras is doing the install on those parts and also putting in a set of progressive front fork springs for $1,050 - yes expensive, but still cheaper than me screwing up the job and bending a valve or something. Looking forward to having a couple more ponies in the spring!!!
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Just pulled my needles in my '06 speedmaster to replace them with Truxton needles (NBZ)...guess what I all ready have NBZ needles...so are Truxton needles stock ??? I have had this bike since new and I haven't change them
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putting in a set of progressive front fork springs for $1,050
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putting in a set of progressive front fork springs for $1,050
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