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Just got my 11,750 mile 2002 Triumph Bonny America 2 weeks ago and whilst Ive only done 60 odd miles on it so far I'm really loving each and every one. The stock exhausts are a little quiet, and as its my first proper bike, I want some noise!. So I've just bought off Ebay some T.O.R pipes for £65 (they were on a 2006 Speedster before, so I hope they fit!) and wanted to fit them which looks straight forward enough even for a mechanical eejit like myself, but before I do fit them, I need to 100% understand the following if you good people would indulge me, I have read a number of posts and I think I sorta 'get it' but want to be clear as I dont want to blow up or otherwise damage my trumpet for the lack of the right knowledge..
1. Do I have to remove the stock Air Induction thingy? I get lots of popping on the over-run and I dont mind that or having blue pipes for that matter, so should I do it for the TOR fitment?
2. Do I absolutely have to change the 'jets'? the guy who sold me the TOR's said he did'nt on his bike, but from what I've read on here it seems many people do. If so, I understand ( Using Pats calculator) that I would change to a '124' is it just one jet (I assume the haynes manual will explain which one/where it is) or are there any other things need to be changed? on the basis the bike is as stock as it can be.
Apologies if this is boring old ground but any help is most appreciated, many thanks!
Cheers
Simon
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Well from one eejit to another. Quote:
1. Do I have to remove the stock Air Induction thingy? I get lots of popping on the over-run and I dont mind that or having blue pipes for that matter, so should I do it for the TOR fitment?
You dont have to remove the AI.
2. Do I absolutely have to change the 'jets'? the guy who sold me the TOR's said he did'nt on his bike, but from what I've read on here it seems many people do. If so, I understand ( Using Pats calculator) that I would change to a '124' is it just one jet (I assume the haynes manual will explain which one/where it is) or are there any other things need to be changed? on the basis the bike is as stock as it can be.
You dont have to, but if you put in 125 jets (one in each carb) and remove the rubber snorkel on the airbox inlet below the riders seat it will go much better.
The tec vault has instructions with pictures.
Welcome, where abouts are you located, apart from in front of the computer. 
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Wellcome to the site simon  . Glad you got one of our great bikes. Dont worry about asking any questions on here.No one will mind. Ive got tors fitted and have removed the AI but that was to stop the blueing. Not done anything else to mine.I'm not too tech, but there are alot of tech Guys on here who will give you give you lots of help and advice. £ sign says UK to me . What part of the uk are you from .  atb geoff
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Greenhorn
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Cheers Guys , Yep I'm based in UK, SE London/Kent borders. Only just got my big boys license in October so raring to go!. I'm always a bit wary of modding anything, my last bike ( Jinlun Texan 125-11 ) never gave me any trouble cos I left it alone, whereas a number of guys in the owners club were changing this that and the other and always seemd to have problems!, but Im hoping I can get away with a little modding on the trumpet!
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Hey Simon... welcome to the site! When I first got my '03 I slipped on a pair of TORs without doing anything else to the bike. I always felt it ran a bit lean after that (our bikes already run lean right from the factory) and to be honest... running too lean is not a good thing. Now I'm no expert but if logic has anything to do with it, I felt it best to rejet with something a bit bigger so I had the bike fitted with 124 mains. After that I enjoyed thousands of trouble free miles.
The following year I opened up the intake (removed snorkel, K&N filter plus bellmouth). The bike ran like crap after that because THIS particular mod threw the bike into an extreme lean condition. I was advised to either rejet with bigger mains, or return the intake to stock. I put it all back and it ran well again. This year I'll go bigger on the main jets and open up the intake again.
Hope this helps! Cheers!!
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Quote:
1. Do I have to remove the stock Air Induction thingy? I get lots of popping on the over-run and I dont mind that or having blue pipes for that matter, so should I do it for the TOR fitment?
2. Do I absolutely have to change the 'jets'? the guy who sold me the TOR's said he did'nt on his bike, but from what I've read on here it seems many people do. If so, I understand ( Using Pats calculator) that I would change to a '124' is it just one jet (I assume the haynes manual will explain which one/where it is) or are there any other things need to be changed? on the basis the bike is as stock as it can be.
Apologies if this is boring old ground but any help is most appreciated, many thanks!
Cheers
Simon
Welcome from a "Yankee eejit". Removing the AI is easy to do and will also make it far easier to access the spark plugs in the future. And if you are talented (like me), you'll nick your finger and bleed all over the top of the engine. I guess it was my bonding moment or a sacrificial offering to the Triumph Gods. 
Definitely remove the snorkel at the air inlet. Consider putting in a Polaris Bellmouth to help air flow in. Again, another simple thing to do that will allow your engine to breathe more easily, hence the need to change your jets to get more fuel to the engine.
You have 2 carburetors so you have 2 jets (main & pilot) per carb. Since it sounds like they've never been adjusted, you will most likely have to plan on pulling the carbs to do this. There is a link around here with some good instructions/pics on how to pull the carbs. Some people may you can change out the jets without pulling the carbs, but if I'd suggest you pull them the first time so you know what to find inside. While at it, replace the carb caps with SS screws. The stock ones are some soft material that tends to deform very easily.
Lots of smart guys here to help you with any questions you might have. Good luck!!
Blue/White 2007 TBA, Thruxton needles, Unifilter, AI removed, Polaris Bellmouth, Bubs, Nology Coils/wires, Lightbar, Ricor Intiminators, Hagon Nitros, Tall Sissy Bar w/luggage rack, Dart flyscreen & Lowers. 130 Mains, TrueGel Battery MG12-BS.
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Cheers guys, will have to read up on this air box mod malarkey then, I was trying to avoid doing too much as a) I'm a lazy fecker & B) didnt want any hassle with the insurance people, as they always ask how much extra power a modification creates which can be hard to guage and sometime they dont want to cover you if you've modified anything.
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Cheers guys, will have to read up on this air box mod malarkey then, I was trying to avoid doing too much as a) I'm a lazy fecker & B) didnt want any hassle with the insurance people, as they always ask how much extra power a modification creates which can be hard to guage and sometime they dont want to cover you if you've modified anything.
Removing the snorkel and putting in the Polaris Bellmouth is a minor modification that you can't even see or tell when the bike is assembled. Rejetting shouldn't cause a problem either.
Now if you go with the big bore upgrade or replace the airbox with a Freak upgrade, then that might attract the interest of the insurance people.
Of course, I'm not really sure what happens in the UK. I'm sure some of your fellow countrymen will chime in with some much useful information/advice.
Blue/White 2007 TBA, Thruxton needles, Unifilter, AI removed, Polaris Bellmouth, Bubs, Nology Coils/wires, Lightbar, Ricor Intiminators, Hagon Nitros, Tall Sissy Bar w/luggage rack, Dart flyscreen & Lowers. 130 Mains, TrueGel Battery MG12-BS.
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