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So my criticism is unwarranted?
your article on the Ducati Diablo, Drivel, Desperado, whatever that stupid ass motorcycle is called
What does the Diavel do that the Triumph Rocket III doesn’t already?
How about the obvious inconsistency of having a hot rod design brief and then loading the motorcycle with all kinds of electronic bric-a-brac. Do you even know what a hot rod is? First rule of hot rodding is simplicity. Mechanical elegance with less electronic complexity.
I don't think he likes it much, as best as I can tell by the sweet things he has to say about it. 
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Now wait a minute here... "pot-bellied fingerless-glove-wearing moron"??? Apparently he doesn't like ME much either.
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Hes only right about that Diavel. He is wrong about everything else including the The McQueen/Hasselhoff conundrum. That whole analogy is "kitchy". So, carry on with yor no finger glove wearing, potbellied, bad self. ( I fit the pot bellied part too.)
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Wow, so I read this whole posting from beginning to end, sorry I'm late to the party.
First, the Duc is pure sex. You don't have to love it but appreciate it for what it is. Why would Ducati make such a beast? Because they can.
Second, the design is a complete rip off of the Suzuki B King from a few years back. Not sure if they still make it or not but that bike was funky and cool and pretty much had the same fan following from the press as this one does. The mags loved it, they didn't sell very many.
Last, JT Nesbitt is a Douche Bag. Including your address and phone number in your school boy rant? Really now, are we down to the "come and say it to my face" mentality?
Perhaps Ducati is stretching a bit with this design but at least they are trying to put a little flavor out there. Our beloved BA's have caught flack from their original release for not being "triumph enough" and just following the HD crowd. So which is worse, to try and put out a bit of art on two wheels or be accused of following in someone else's tracks?
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My main issue with the diavel is the "cruiser" tag. They seem to have aimed it at the cruiser market to steal sales in America but Triumph have even given up with the Rocket being a cruiser and now name it a roadster.
All the photos I have seen of the Diavel with a rider clearly show the angle of the riders thigh / calf is less than 90 degrees, which to me discounts the bike as a cruiser. end of!.....
Now if you compare the Diavel with other roadster style bikes it is not so awesome...
Yamaha Vmax,
Triumph Rocket Roadster,
Harley VRod Muscle,
Suzuki BKing.
It now seems like more of the same, impressive but not mold breaking as its being touted as in the cruiser class.
The small number of comparative roadsters may also show why Ducati want to market the Diavel as a cruiser as it shows that all the millions of euros spent on R&D where needless to be top dog in such a niche market!
This Diavel may go down well with well heeled buyers after another toy to play with, but there is no way I would use one for the daily commute and annual holiday with luggage and pillion loaded up.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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My main issue with the diavel is the "cruiser" tag. They seem to have aimed it at the cruiser market to steal sales in America but Triumph have even given up with the Rocket being a cruiser and now name it a roadster.
So the Rocket III Touring is not a cruiser either? I didn't realize "roadster" was an actual category. I thought it was a marketing gimmick. That said, I do have a serious problem with the Diavel being called a cruiser. I call BS on that.
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Semantics. A word cannot change what something is.
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Well, I still say the term "Cruiser" is best defined as any motorcycle with a feet-forward riding position, and that the term "Roadster" in today's motorcycle jargon mainly refers to a motorcycle with a more standard-style riding position, much as the RocketIII "Roadster", the short-lived H-D Street Rod which was based on the V-Rod, the V-Max, the BKing....and yes, this Ducati.
(...in short, the Diavel is NOT a "Cruiser", and mainly because of how one would position themselves on it in order to ride it.)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Well, I still say the term "Cruiser" is best defined as any motorcycle with a feet-forward riding position, and that the term "Roadster" in today's motorcycle jargon mainly refers to a motorcycle with a more standard-style riding position, much as the RocketIII "Roadster", the short-lived H-D Street Rod which was based on the V-Rod, the V-Max, the BKing....and yes, this Ducati.
(...in short, the Diavel is NOT a "Cruiser", and mainly because of how one would position themselves on it in order to ride it.)
Dwight, I like your way of thinking here but the "industry" doesn't seem to agree with you.
I kinda liked what the Vmax called itself...a "power cruiser". I feel it was a better representation but still not accurate.
IMO the term "roadster" doesn't belong in the MC community at all. By definition (Im paraphrasing here) a roadster is a two seater with no top.
Seems to make better sense to call these types of bikes "muscle bikes" (borrowed form the Vmax description) in that the bikes (the V max, B king and Diavel) all look about the same and are all claiming to be high powered bikes that are designed for spirited riding. They are clearly not cruisers and certainly not sport or super bikes.
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IMO the term "roadster" doesn't belong in the MC community at all. By definition (Im paraphrasing here) a roadster is a two seater with no top.
No in Dwight's world that's called a Spyder. 
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well you cant call them "muscle" if they ever decide to make a smaller one.
It kinda reminds me of the SUV market and how watered them down to cars/minivans with more ground clearance. No more sport or utility, but they still shared the acronym with Hummers.
You cant expect polar opposites to never be mixed. Look at Rap Rock...haha Somebody listened to it for a bit.
Like them or hate them, they do fit into some peoples agendas. Theres a lot of guys who want the biggest engine on the market that handles fast riding.
Before he could buy a harley and scrape it to helll
or buy a rice rocket and ride it for 15 minutes at a time.
Sometimes I dont feel like calling our bikes cruisers. Theyre so much more "peppy" than a typical crusier. But you cant tell that to Johnny Rocket.
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I don't think anyone is saying it isn't a valid motorcycle, we're just saying the "cruiser" label doesn't fit, "muscle" or otherwise.
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I don't think anyone is saying it isn't a valid motorcycle
Yeah?
I'm sure the cruiser guys dont like it called cruiser
and the Sport bike guys dont like to call it a sport bike.
Just apples and oranges pissd at Minute Maid for mixing them together in a "fruity" concoction.
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"fruity"
sums it up nicely.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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By definition (Im paraphrasing here) a roadster is a two seater with no top.
That's all motorcycles that have a pillion ain't it?
Quasars haven't got a pillion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar_(motorcycle)
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Sooooo, there's no such thing as a "roadster" motorcycle, eh?! Looks to me as if "somebody" was callin' their motorcycles "roadsters" as far back as the 1970s, eh?!  Okay, now that I've made THAT point here, I've got another one to make..... Look folks, new categories or genres of motorcycles(and cars, but this is about m/cs here) are being "coined" and/or modified with regularity as to their MEANING!!!! AND, as many of you know, the terms "Cruiser", "Sport-Tourer", "Sportbike", "Adventure-Tourer", and probably a few more that aren't springing to my mind right now, are relatively new categories of motorcycles which DIDN'T even exist just a few decades ago. And SOOOOOOOO, my MAIN POINT here is that IF enough people will want to call this Ducati Diavel a "Muscle Bike"(a term which I HAVE heard mentioned in the last couple of years to describe certain large displacement "roadsters"), then SO BE IT!!!!!!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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OH!!! And one MORE THING here!!!
This Ducati is anything BUT "fruity"!!!!
UH HUH!!! I mean, I'd like to see ANYONE HERE jump on that bike and try to ride it to even 80% of ITS capabilities...'cause I DOUBT there's ANYONE on this website who HAS the BALLS to do it, OR the RIDING ABILITY to do it!!!!!!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Judie forgot to give Dwight his Ritalin, apparently... 
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smells like aubergine to me...... isn't that a fruit?
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I wasn't referring to the message but the method.
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So I get a little "forceful" when I'm RIGHT, and while correcting a couple of "misstatements" made by others around here!!!  So, SUE ME!!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Alright its good to see you are still alive Dwight. I thought you may have fallen asleep for a while.  I think you may have mistaken the meaning of "fruity". You see much the way you would describe a fine wine, or a good scotch. "Fruity" could mean a refreshing and delightful. It could even mean rich in flavor (taste)  . (Maybe it just means that trying to catagorize that beast as a roadster, a cruiser, or a sport bike is a little............. Lets just say wierd.  ) Oh, by the way 165 hp is a lot for a bike and no I would not be able to push its limits. I would wreck it right away.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Dwight I was talking about apples and oranges being mixed together....hahahha
yes dwight, I wouldnt know how to put down the front tire. I'm mainly instigating in this thread, and I feel Ive done a bang up job.
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Dwight I was talking about apples and oranges being mixed together....hahahha
OH! You mean kinda like how some folks think of our Triumph Cruisers?
You DO know that there are ALSO more than a few folks out there who view OUR motorcycles as this "mixed message" of which you speak, and often calling them "Harley-fied Britbikes", don't cha?!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Well, you know all the Harley riders can't imagine anyone not following after them.
(Don't be angry... its a mixed up crazy world with everyone and there ideas.)
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I'm not exactly "angry" here, Chad. I'm just "forcefully" tryin' to make some sense of this "mixed up crazy world", and in particular, some sense of what I feel are some "mixed up crazy ideas" that some folks seem to have about certain motorcycles...that's all!  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I got three main reasons that I like my TA.
#1 Its light enough to handle around parking lots and in tight areas.
#2 its very nimble as in it handles above my riding skill (on more than one occasion i just held on and it pull through)
#3 I am not looking to die at 200 miles per hour. Just ride around at 90. (which it does quite nicely.)
#4 Its a modern (kind of) bike with classic (kind of) looks.
Its the past and the furure combined to make some thing not quite as good as either.
This Diavel is a bike unto its self. Maybe it turns some folks gears, if so I am happy for them. (everyone should have their gears turned by something).
It just don't do it for me. (Its not sporty or cruiser-y) mayhap its a roadster I don't know what that means to a bike. I thought it means small light wieght and powerful, with handling for twisty turns.
I could be wrong I am sometimes.
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I got three main reasons that I like my TA.
#1 Its light enough to handle around parking lots and in tight areas.
#2 its very nimble as in it handles above my riding skill (on more than one occasion i just held on and it pull through)
#3 I am not looking to die at 200 miles per hour. Just ride around at 90. (which it does quite nicely.)
#4 Its a modern (kind of) bike with classic (kind of) looks.
Its the past and the future combined to make some thing not quite as good as either.
Exactly the reasons why I like my BA too, Chad. 
Except, I don't think one could say a DOHC twin cylinder air-cooled motorcycle is exactly "futuristic", 'cause Honda has been makin' THOSE since the 1960s, ya know.
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This Diavel is a bike unto its self...Its not sporty or cruiser-y...
And this is where I think you're wrong. The Diavel is EXTREMELY "sporty", as once again, from the article I read in that magazine about this bike, it's one of the fastest bikes Ducati makes, stops better than any bike Ducati makes, and handles almost as well as any world-class Sportbike that Ducati makes.
I just think you fall into this general demographic around here...people who are mostly into "classic" looking motorcycles, and who often seem to have a small problem wrappin' their heads around anything outside that box.
(...NOT that that makes you or anybody around here "a bad guy" or anything!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Maybe its a "muscle" bike like the old muscle cars. You are right I am one of those guys who like retro classic style. Thats ok, I have a bigger than small but smaller than large problem understanding anything that falls into the post modern styling.  Except for this bike. now this is great.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I got one of those too 
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Just when you though the thread was dead, I was perusing the Triumph site and came across the press release for the 2011 models. (As an aside, it's interesting what constitutes a "new model"--they count the "new" Speedmaster and America, though really all they did was bolt some different crap on them. But I digress...) This whole "roadster" vs. "cruiser" thing popped up again. Even TRIUMPH is confused (bolding mine). Quote:
Roadsters: Speed Triple, Street Triple, Street Triple R
Supersport: Daytona 675, Daytona 675R
Adventure: Tiger 800, Tiger 800XC
Touring: Tiger 1050, Sprint GT
Classics: Bonneville, Bonneville SE, Bonneville T100, Scrambler, Thruxton
Cruisers: Thunderbird, Thunderbird Storm, America, Speedmaster, Rocket III Roadster,
Rocket III Touring
So... they call the R3R a Roadster but put it in the Cruiser category? Wha-wha-what?  
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Hey Tom, you got the part number handy for that machine gun? I looked on Big T's website and it's not listed
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" : William Shakespeare
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Well, all I can say is, if I only had a choice between the Vmax or the Diavel, I would probably choose the Diavel. Dare to be different. In my opinion they are the closest comparison. And it seems to me that the Vmax has always been ranked in with the cruisers for comparisons.
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Nah no part number, I sorta just found it on the internet on an impulse...haha
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