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They are hotter then wearing no helmet,they DO block vision unless its a skid lid [why bother really].If it covers your ears,it does impair hearing [again,,,,unless its a skid lid].No misconception.All facts.That being said ,mostly I wear a helmet unless Im just in the mood to go putting around.
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When riding in hot temperatures, a full face helmet is cooler. It blocks the hair dryer in the face effect and most are very well vented.
80 mph wind rushing past your ears effectively deafens you to other sounds. You hear better with a helmet blocking that wind. And it doesn't affect your ability to hear while stopped either, I will stop in parking lot make a phone call and just use the speakerphone with my helmet still on.
Erle, if you have 360° vision you're a freak; normal people have about 90°of peripheral vision to each side.
D.O.T requires an an opening of 105° to each side. Mine is much more than that, I cannot see the corners of my face shield even when I turn my eyes.
Rocks, wind, and bugs do far more to limit ones vision.
Myths live on by uninformed people spouting their opinions.
Like I said before, if you don't want to wear one, then don't.
Just have the balls to say you don't want to wear one instead of making all kinds of (wrong) claims about helmets.
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And to the original question:
(To paraphrase) Who freaking cares whether someone who died in a motorcycle crash was wearing a helmet or not?
I'm with Keith. I freaking care too.
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Well I care as well, but it would be nice when they report that the rider wasn't wearing a helmet that they also report weather it was a contributing factor in the riders death. You see when they put a blank statement that "the rider wasn't wearing a helmet" in a story like this without qualifying that statement the none riding public will just think it was the riders fault he died because he didn't wear a helmet. It tends to deflect the real reason the rider lost his life, which is careless driving by someone in a car.
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One of misconceptions people have about helmets, is that they block vision, hearing or are hot
No misconception there, some do block vision and they are all hot, even my light 1/2 helmet. Especially when it is pushing or in the triple digits.
No myth of an uninformed person here, I have had to wear a helmet by law for most of my riding life and had a full face when I was younger. Very hot, restrictive,vision limiting and it does limit hearing. My 1/2 helmet is even worse in the hearing impairing department. The wind whips through the strap and is at least twice as noisy as no helmet. To the point I can't hear my open pipes on the highway. As for hearing I will admit that a full face allows me to hear better than no helmet but not by much. I wear foam ear plugs and they stop the wind effect but allow me to hear pretty darn well. No full face in the world allows the range of vision that no helmet does. In a crash where there is no head impact ( I have had some as a kid so don't try that never happens) the helmet can cause serious neck and back injury that would not have otherwise happened. I wear glasses so the bugs, rocks, rain, dust or anything else do no more to impair my vision than a person with a helmet on.I even sometimes wear goggles. It is a personal choice that is all, your choice is no better than the next persons choice.
In a crash I do not care in the least if a person was wearing a helmet or not, after the fact it is too late to change the choice weather it would have made a difference or not. I don't care of an operator wore a seat belt or not either. If the person who was either seriously hurt or killed made that decision and that choice wouldn't have made any difference then what good does it do anyone to imply they made a good or bad decision?
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...I have had to wear a helmet by law for most of my riding life and had a full face when I was younger. Very hot, restrictive,vision limiting and it does limit hearing.
Well Ian, you may not be aware of this, but helmet design has made some great strides forward since those "halcyon days" of our youth, when most motorcycles still had kickstarters and breaker points ignition systems, AND when full-face helmets looked like this Bell Star here...
(..uh huh, yep, I kid you not....and some of 'em even have flip-up chinbars nowadays TOO, ol' buddy!!!)  
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Myths live on by uninformed people spouting their opinions.
Too bad you don't listen to your own advice.
I don't do most of my riding @ 80 mph. In congested traffic, it's usually under 50, and I hear just find.
Just have the balls to say you want (or have) to wear one instead of making all kinds of (wrong) claims about helmets.
Re-read my post, it says basically, "go your own way"
With all DUE respect.
I base MY opinions on the fact that I do BOTH. Wear one sometimes, probably 20% of the time, and don't.
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Yuppo,my opinion based on the facts are exactly as Erle states.The thing about 80mph is that helmet or no helmet your a dead man if you hit the pavement.I have the balls as well to state my reasons and plain fact as to why my choices are what they are concerning helmet use.Your opinion that wearing a helmet is that it makes you feel cooler when its hot?By all means wear it and take a chill pill Bigbill. 
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Myths live on by uninformed people spouting their opinions.
Too bad you don't listen to your own advice.
I don't do most of my riding @ 80 mph. In congested traffic, it's usually under 50, and I hear just find.
Just have the balls to say you want (or have) to wear one instead of making all kinds of (wrong) claims about helmets.
Re-read my post, it says basically, "go your own way"
With all DUE respect.
I base MY opinions on the fact that I do BOTH. Wear one sometimes, probably 20% of the time, and don't.
I travel alot over the summer and have to wear one in many states near me so I too do both. I probably wear one less than10% of the time though since I avoid those states as much as I can.
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Try this experiment. Turn a hair dryer on hot and blow it in your face.
Now hold something up and block the air. Cooler huh.
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Not a valid experiment, More accurate would be to put the helmet on and go into a room at 100º F then stand in front of a fan. Then do the same with no helmet.
I just experienced this on my trip to Fl. and I have to tell you even my half helmet was torture compared to when I crossed the state line and could finally take the darn thing off. With the helmet off my sweat could evaporate thus cooling me the way the body was designed to cool itself. Not to mention the air flow over the area that the helmet had covered before.
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100°? No Ian, I'm talking about HOT weather. Helmets are quite comfortable when it's only 100°  Even standing still! Actually now, for your version you need the sun factored in as well. So it's invalid.
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I mean 100º and humid and even with the sun factored in as in my trip to Fl. there was no contest as to what was cooler and that was once the helmet came off. I did need sun block on the bald head then though.
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That could be the difference right there, I never see much over 100º and it is always humid here just varying degrees of humidity. I can tell you for sure under those conditions no helmet is much much cooler. I just want to clarify that I am not advocating anyone not wear a helmet that wants to wear one just expressing my personal views and experiences.
I think it would be interesting to have you try the conditions here and me there and see if our opinions on what is cooler would change.
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Try 117° and dry.
At that temp (and I'm an advocate of wearing a helmet) there's not freakin' way the helmet would stay on, laws or not laws. Instinct woulda kicked in before logic!!!
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Well, let's take Ian's example with a fan. But we have to make it a fan capable of duplicating highway speeds. Let's say 60mph wind. Now we go into that 117° room and blow that fan on your face. Now put on the full face helmet (a modern one not an old Bell Star), better, huh? It is. I live it every summer. And the mesh jacket keeps me cooler for the same reasons, it diffuses the wind and shades my skin. He!!, this is something that even Larry Disney agrees with me on.
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Depends on where and how Im riding that day..Just going Up and down the strip at the beach NO helmet Going out for a longer ride I use one on just to calm down some wind noise ! matter of fact this one http://www.skullcrushgear.com/34-low-profile-helm34.html
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I live what I stated every summer too,but that no more validates my view to you than yours to me. I wear a T shirt because it's cooler too. I really feel the difference in our views on cooling lies in the humidity.
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We could take a HUGE number of facts that makes one person feel cooler then another...I am sure a 350lbs mans feels Hotter then a 150lbs. man (maybe not), Does that person work in the heat day in day out?? That plays a part to each its own if A helmet leather jackets and pants makes you feel cooler in the summer go for it.....RIDE ON BROTHERS ! 
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May be.
I find that my helmet is comfortable all year, even during our high heat and humidity season. We get that for about a month every summer, 100+°/100%.
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Either way HOT is HOT not matter what you wear 
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Back to the main Point . News live on only bringing you all the bad in the world, I really have to think when have they told you a story and you stopped and went Hmm  Every man/women has it in them to do good! But are we are too busy watching Dancing with the STARS to really care and do something? I have called my local TV station and stated okay stop with the junk. So I now choose not to watch the news! I have tried picking up a book and reading (does Playboy count?) but that doesn't work for me so now I am left seaching the web for cool stuff and playing on Fbook  ..Sorry for all that has lost a love one ..it is their choice to wear what they want ! Thats want make America great FREEDOM !!!!!!!! 
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Anyone want to start on "Roe vs Wade"!
Hmmmm, lets see here....Fish eggs versus Helmholtz Resonators, huh?!
Well, I think I'm sidin' with the Helmholt Resonators then!!!
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(....though I have to admit Wade slipped me twenty bucks to say that!!!!)
I thought so.
It's actually referring to caviar. The fishermen have to "wade" out to bring the sturgeon in. Then they cut a "V" in the fishes belly to get to the "roe" so that I can enjoy it with brie on a piece of Melba toast.
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I like salmon roe, never tried sturgeon. I get it at the sushi bar. Add a tiny bit of wasabi, man outta sight.
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Well. Some things never change around this Burgh. Self rightious safety geeks beating up on the non helmet wearing freedom loving motorsickle riders.
He he he. Its always been about freedom of choice...for those of us who do not live in non free states.
Its really like smoking. Lots of helmet freaks HAVE to stop for a smoke break so they contribute to THEIR long term health and welfare but as soon as that last puff is done they'd never think of NOT putting that skull bucket on.
So who is really wrong here? No one. LOL
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Now put on the full face helmet (a modern one not an old Bell Star)
Hey Bill,
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Yeah, I remember them. I always wore a 3/4 when I had to back in the day. The ol' Bell Stars were like looking through a welding helmet 
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Musta been those ******* goats.
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Kevin! What a point to make! I wonder how many smokers are laying around sick with lung, heart, PAD and whatever costing us money. Drinkers, wow, 60% of all domestic violence in the U.S. involves alcohol according to the FBI> That has to be costing us a ton of money. I propose if you smoke or drink you are not allowed to advocate helmets until you correct your own risky behaviors! (Actually, I smoked myself into a heart attack and do drink so not wearing a helmet seems to be right in character.) 
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wow hay if you want to wear a helmet do so if not then don't do soo. I don't care either way 
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this one time ..... 
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