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Re: Air Box Removal Kit
FriarJohn #393633 03/07/2012 8:13 AM
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This is my first post here (though I have been lurking for a long time) and I am getting ready to remove the air box on my 08 BA. Ordered up a bracket from Tom, got my filters in the mail, already fabricated a carb supeort,etc. I have been trying to find a resource for the main and pilot jets abd ran across several recomendations to NOT remove the air box. One of these recommendations state the following:

"If you scrap the Triumph airbox you're going to have to find some pod filters to fit the carbs and either fabricate some sort of mounts for the side panels on the bike or scrap them too. You will have problems with pod filters because the CVK's are airflow operated and any slight variation between the inlet pressures can cause radically different behavior between the carbs. Inlet pressure differences can be caused by variables such as rain on the pods and airflow patterns around the bike when it's moving."

Any thoughts or comments from those of you who have done the converstion.

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Hankster #393634 03/07/2012 10:27 AM
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Did the same to mine last spring and haven't had any issues. Got caught in the rain a couple times as well.

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doza9372 #393635 03/07/2012 11:15 AM
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many owners here ride with pods on their bikes with no issues. I own the freak kit which is decent and accounts for the brackets etc, also leaving a nice little cubby for storage and such where ther air box used to reside.


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brokenfixed #393636 03/09/2012 11:19 PM
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Installing the Freak with covers will prevent side winds and turbulence from blowing into K&Ns causing miss fire at high speeds.


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bistro #393637 03/10/2012 3:06 AM
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Re: Air Box Removal Kit
FriarJohn #393638 03/11/2012 7:48 PM
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Well I got everything pulled apart and removed today. Air box is out in one piece as is the old battery braket. I have lots of unused plugs in the harness, so I am thinking I might completely remove the harness and clean up all the wiring I don't need.

I was also wondering what everyone's solutions have been for the ingnition switch? There is only one screw available now that the bracket is out.

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bistro #393639 03/12/2012 10:33 AM
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Installing the Freak with covers will prevent side winds and turbulence from blowing into K&Ns causing miss fire at high speeds.




This is more likely a problem when youre running too lean on the main jets. I had the same problem.

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Hankster #393640 03/12/2012 10:39 AM
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The ignition/fuse box portion is still used in the same spot and mounted with the lower bolt. I cut the battery tray so that the ignition portion is still intact, and reusable.

This was a revision based on another members suggestion. He assures that the lower mounting bolt is all thats needed. Since then theres been a handful of members with this setup and Ive never heard any complaints.

Feel free to PM me with any other specific questions, its not a problem.

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brokenfixed #393641 04/04/2012 10:36 PM
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I sent Tom a PM, but maybe some others have some recommendations for getting the K&N filters to stay on the carbs. As I tighten the clamps, it just pops the filter right off. There's got to be somethign silly I'm overlooking or not thinking about....right?

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Hankster #393642 04/05/2012 1:10 PM
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dont think I got the PM

the trick is to not tighten them really at all...haha. Its crazy but it works. Too much pressure just squeezes them off. I had problems when I first got the bike, lost the right side down the road once or twice. Then stuck some wire on the side just in case and played around with how tight I'm making them. Its been since 07 since I lost one and I dont have the wire anymore as a safety.

Also you get yourself some wider hose clamps. I cant remember if I'm using the k&n ones or some wider stainless ones that came from the original owner. A wider clamp will get you a bit more bite at the end of the rubber edge. Thats really where the pressure needs to be.

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brokenfixed #393643 04/05/2012 4:49 PM
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yup its a bit of a trick, push them in all the way and then tighten them to the extent that the rings are snug but not crushed, you don't want to squeeze those boots to hard anyways you can split, crack or let some air in past the filter, just nice and snug. I have a friend of mine (and i might try this) who puts a little bit, like a smear of shoe goo (bought at any hardware store) around the inside of the filter opening then seats it on the carb snugs it up, waits for it to dry and done, water tight, won't hurt any rubber, and when you remove it it peels off sort of like when you put white glue on your hands.

Peronally i think shoe goo is way up there with gopher tape.


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edmspeedmaster #393644 04/05/2012 6:02 PM
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hmmm...well I guess I will just snug them ever so slightly and see how that works. I'm gonna use the safety wire though...just in case.

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Hankster #393645 04/05/2012 10:53 PM
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Hope you haven't deformed the end already or you may need to replace them to get them to stay on.


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The_Dog33 #393646 04/07/2012 5:24 PM
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Well today was the first ride and I beat it up pretty good trying to find flat spots in throttle response and the filters stayed put...I'd of never bet on it, but just as you guys stated, a little snug is all ya need.

Now I have tio fidd;e with some things to get the carbs dialed in. I get a backfire through the carbs every now and again when I'm sitting at idel and rev it a tad. I started with 42/135 and no shims, but let the mixture screw alone...maybe a half a turn in will do it....we'll see tomorrow.

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Hankster #393647 04/08/2012 8:58 AM
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sounds like youre probably lean on your idle circuit. Air mixture screws need to be let out a bit if I remember correctly. Max to let them out is 3.5 turns. If youre still lean, bump up your pilot and screw the air screws in and work your way back out.

Its been a while, I'm just testing my memory at this point. Someone will jump in if I got it wrong. Ian the dogg taught me this ****** a long time ago...haha.

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Madrid #393648 05/30/2012 10:46 AM
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There is a DIY kit available from Bellacorse. Anyone tried one of these? Probably the commercial version of the ghetto freak.




I used this kit along with the ghetto freak instructions. It was fairly easy to do and did not take much time at all. I wanted to keep the stock look and the airbox to store my new shark amplifier. First I got the airbox out (following the ghetto freak instructions). After removing the airbox, cut the front of the box out (the part that was attached to the carbs) making sure to keep any needed screw holes or attachment points I needed to. After that I cut out the entire bottom section and the baffle that was inside the airbox. I replaced the bottom of the airbox with a small square of tin using epoxy to glue the tin in place. I cut a rectangle section out of the side of the airbox (on the America cover side). This allows me access to my amplifier by simply removing the America side cover. I also drilled a few holes in the bottom of the airbox to allow any water to drain. My amplifier is said to be water proof so I am not too concerned with it getting wet, I just do not want it submerged in water.

If I were just using the airbox as storage or just keeping the stock look but adding pods this would have taken me no time at all. I was adding speakers, the amplifier, rejetting and adding a 12v adapter all at the same time. Waiting for the epoxy to dry, running the added wires, and making arrangements to fit the amplifier all took extra time. I did the tear down Friday after work (could have had it all done on Friday if I were just doing the ghetto freak). This included all the cutting of the airbox, adding the tin to the bottom of the airbox to make it a flat surface, changing my oil/filter, adding the diy freak kit and rejetting.

I had to wait 24 hours for my epoxy to reach its full strength so I went about Saturday slow. I ran all my needed wires, speakers, wired remote ECT. Saturday evening I put the air box back in, added my amplifier and put the bike back together. I ran into a problem when I went to put my hard saddlebags back on. My bolts had some thin threads on them and I decided I had better replace them with upgraded bolts. The stores were closed, but I was able to start the bike and take it on a test run without my saddlebags. Everything worked great. Sunday after Church I got my needed bolts, got the saddlebags back on and road again just to make sure everything worked just as well as it did Saturday.

I did have one issue before I started this project. Bellacorse sent me 135 main jets. He said he did not trust the online calculators and wanted me to start with 135’s and tune it from there. Well I had already gone from 124’s (Toro’s, stock filter, snorkel in and not drilled) to 137.5 (JC Whitney’s, uni single, removed snorkel and drilled airbox). I contacted eddy and he sent me a set of 150’s (I already have 155’s, 145’s, 140’s and a few other sizes from other projects over the years. The calculator says to use 155’s but I went with 150’s and will dial it in using my sparkplugs as my guide.

I did not take pictures of my build as I followed the instructions already on the site. Instead of fabbing up holders and things as the instructions did, I just made note of what holes and tabs I needed, took my time and cut around them. I will try to get pictures of the end result up when I can.

Hopes this helps anyone looking at adding pods. I can notice a difference by way of butt dyno. I am just awaiting for my mpg to go to crap now. I had been getting 49-53 on the hwy and 42-46 city (both using US Gallons and miles) we shall see how bad the larger jets hit me. Hope I can keep my wrist from twisting.


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