Back when they didn't put oil in the Triumph frame. When you order a spring for a bike it came with 2 steems one for a Triumph and one for a Harley I was looking today at a Harley springe stem, look pretty close to a new 03 steem. I'm going to see if I can do some tradeing for a spring and put it on a America. The old boy got 3 spring, if I keep pulling out those long wheel base $ 10.00 bills he may sell just one. with a few beer's also.Rudyr