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Check it out, give it a ride around the block. Let me know what additions you might want. NEW improved Jetting Calculator for 2010I will also give the Visual Basic 6.0 code to anyone that wishes it.
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I just took it for a spin. It's missing the K&N single filter but I used UNI instead which is about the same I figure. I like the auto-calculate feature! Great interface!! Muchas gracias!!
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still not MAC friendly eh! FINE....Ill go give it a whirl on the old desktop.
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ok.... Its not Windows 7 compatable. I tried on two machines runnign Win 7 and I get an error. If anyone smarter than me has a way around this please share. I might suggest adding a calculation for 40 pilots as well (those are stock). I dont know what would be involved but maybe adding DNA filters in there as well? If its even pertinent, they flow similar to K&N but slightly more form what Ive seen online. Aside form that.... THANK YOU PAT! for providing such a helpful tool to the masses. 
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I run Windows XP, so it seems to function well for me. Thanks for updating it Pat!
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It's not Vista compatable also but runs well on my backup desktop...with XP.
Looks good to me. Much appreciated.
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Its not Windows 7 compatible. I tried on two machines running Win 7 and I get an error. If anyone smarter than me has a way around this please share.
I might suggest adding a calculation for 40 pilots as well (those are stock).
I dont know what would be involved but maybe adding DNA filters in there as well? If its even pertinent, they flow similar to K&N but slightly more form what Ive seen online.
Aside form that....THANK YOU PAT! for providing such a helpful tool to the masses.
HMM, I run XP still and compiled it there as well. Isn't there a compatibility option in Vista/7 that will run 32 bit code on a 64 bit OS? If you right click on the icon and go to Properties there should be a tab "Compatibility"???
Just answered my own question. I checked daughters puter with 7 and it runs fine in the compatibility mode for XP w/SP3 mode.
Just right click on the icon, go to properties, check the "Run in compatibility mode for..." and then select Windows XP with SP3.
I could also add the other air cleaners as well, but since they are basically the same, why bother?
I will post a zip file called Calculator2010.zip in the dinqua.com.triumph/executables folder if anyone wants to fetch it and play with it. But you will need to have VB6.0 professional developer series to work with it.
VB Code for Calculator
Also, here is text file if some Mac guy wants to code it and compile it for a mac as well. Not sure this will help but This is text file of the code
as far as the 40 pilots, well, in 2003 the pilots were 42 and now the new 42s are called 40s, (SAME JET!!!) so as not to confuse anyone, just assume the 42s as stock.
And for all the guys that will say I could have done it with a much smaller codification, feel free to make your own version. I release all rights to the public so have at it, open source is a wonderful thing.
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Not working for me with W7 x64 in any compatibility modes for some reason. The virtual XP mode did the trick and still convinced I re-jetted correctly (in theory anyway  ). Looks more clear than the old calculator and is even easier to use than the old one. Nice job!
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Much respect to Doctor Dinqua and his contributions to the health and well being of the Triumph brand. I'd have to believe he's saved us an aggregate of many thousands of dollars as compared to paying dealer prices. Without his step by step with photos carb primer, I'd be back at stock. (Not to mention the flat as a pancake dyno curve I got from his calc app.) Here's to ya Doc  And thanks for the new calc app and the many hours it takes to put together your contributions, like the carb photo essay primer and the now world famous shim calculator (I was in the process of writing my own shim calc software to show everybody how smart I was, but as I was cipherin' it on out, I ran out of guzintas)
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Just answered my own question. I checked daughters puter with 7 and it runs fine in the compatibility mode for XP w/SP3 mode.
Just right click on the icon, go to properties, check the "Run in compatibility mode for..." and then select Windows XP with SP3.
What I found on my windows 7 box, was that in addition to running xp sp3 compatibility mode, I needed to check the "run in 256 colors" check box. This is in the settings directly under the drop box for compatibility mode.
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Just answered my own question. I checked daughters puter with 7 and it runs fine in the compatibility mode for XP w/SP3 mode.
Just right click on the icon, go to properties, check the "Run in compatibility mode for..." and then select Windows XP with SP3.
What I found on my windows 7 box, was that in addition to running xp sp3 compatibility mode, I needed to check the "run in 256 colors" check box. This is in the settings directly under the drop box for compatibility mode.
Good to know, now, does anyone have an Apple conversion utility?
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"run in 256 colors"
Oh He|| No!
I want my money back.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Ever consider making this into a web application? That would remove OS considerations or the download.
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Does anyone know if these calculations work on the 865 carb bikes?
'06 SM with T100/America Wheels (D&D's, 10.5 to 1 Wiseco pistons, TTP Igniter +3, K&N PODS, 150 x 40, FZ1 springs & TBS needles w/3 shims)
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Okay, I'm too friggin excited to wait. It will probably bite me in the butt telling people about this before Pat and I do more testing, but heck, y'all can help test it. http://www.friarsride.com/techwiki/jetting-calculator/My first javascript (JQuery) application. Should work in every browser and on every platform, assuming you don't have javascript disabled (but you can have stylesheets (CSS) disabled). The biggest difference between this and Pat's original application is that you have to click the "Calculate" button to update the main jet number. I also posted a little more about it here: http://www.friarsride.com/nerding/
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What about K&N drop in filters? I see pods and Freak. Not trying to be that guy,but I know many of us have K&Ns. Other than that it worked perfect for me. 
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Do you think the K&N stock-replacement filter flows substantially more or less than the Unifilter?
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I doubt that there is that much of a diference. I am sure someone will chime in if there is an other opionion. 
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The dynajet needle is not changing the # of shims to positions. Otherwise it looks great!
'06 SM with T100/America Wheels (D&D's, 10.5 to 1 Wiseco pistons, TTP Igniter +3, K&N PODS, 150 x 40, FZ1 springs & TBS needles w/3 shims)
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I sent Pat a private message when he fist posted this and I found it to be the opposite of what it used to be for my set up and location. It used to be a bit on the rich side now it is a bit on the lean side. He replied that he could use that type of feed back so he can tweek it. My bike has been on the dyno a couple times and so has Wendy's so it isn't a case of my reading the plugs and drawing my conclusion. It wouldn't hurt to post any other feed back from guys who jetted on a dyno. It isn't lean by much and before it wasn't rich by much. The calc. says 145.5 main for me and I run a 155 so it is close.
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I'm not the numbers guy, but when Pat updates the math I can easily update the web version.
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The dynajet needle is not changing the # of shims to positions. Otherwise it looks great!
Can you be more specific? When you use the dynajet needles to you automatically add shims? When I click dynajet needles and click calculate it jumps from 120 to 126.
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The Dynajet needle has a c-clip and four slots on the top of the needle. (By the way, this is the stock needle for a 06 865 Speedmaster) So it is not shim but rather a position on the needle. In the windows program, it jumps out of the shim window and into a position window - with settings like upper, middle, standard and lower. Or something like that - doing this from memory (on a mac right now).
'06 SM with T100/America Wheels (D&D's, 10.5 to 1 Wiseco pistons, TTP Igniter +3, K&N PODS, 150 x 40, FZ1 springs & TBS needles w/3 shims)
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You're absolutely right, I missed that one. I'll let you know when it's fixed.
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You fixed the dynajet needle!
I just did a side by side comparison.
With TORS, Sea Level, K&N Pods, 42 Pilots and DynaJet (one down) - the windows program says Main should be 146. Your web version says 140. Something not right with the math some where?
'06 SM with T100/America Wheels (D&D's, 10.5 to 1 Wiseco pistons, TTP Igniter +3, K&N PODS, 150 x 40, FZ1 springs & TBS needles w/3 shims)
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I'll check with Pat. I pulled the values out of his original data file and I might have grabbed the wrong numbers.
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I think I missed the number for the initial Dynajet needle selection. Try it now.
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Yes that is better! Numbers match now.
Thanks!
'06 SM with T100/America Wheels (D&D's, 10.5 to 1 Wiseco pistons, TTP Igniter +3, K&N PODS, 150 x 40, FZ1 springs & TBS needles w/3 shims)
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5mm shims? Shouldn't that be 0.5mm?
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are you talking thickness or diameter?
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No, it's a typo. Shim thickness is .5mm--not sure why they're called "stock" though.
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I going to ask the obvious question: What was wrong with the old Jetting Calculator? It said I needed 138 mains, the closest the dealer had was 140's, for $2.50 each, runs like a champ. The new Calc says I need 131.5s. No comprende. Is it because the new one doesn't have a spot for Drilled Airbox? 
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No just different formula, as I said the last one was a little rich for my set up now this one is a little lean but either way it makes a good starting point. A lot of work for no pay on Pat's part in my opinion and very nice of him. Given all the variables I doubt one can be made that would be 100% for all set ups and locations all at the same time. You would have to take temp,humidity,elevation,and all mods into account to get it perfect and even then there would probably be small differences.
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Opening up the bottom of the airbox and filter makes a pretty big difference. I noticed it didn't have the check box for the drilled airbox as well. 
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I can certainly update the web version if Pat comes up with the numbers.
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John, that's pretty slick! In your form, can't you just use an onClick() to call your calculating function?
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Yeah, but I wanted to play with the JQuery Javascript library and embedding onclick events is the "Old Wayâ„¢" of doing things. I've been designing and developing with full separate of the content (HTML) and presentation (CSS) layer, but never the behavior (JS) layer. Ordinarily I wouldn't even have the CSS and JS stuff in the <head> but this is a simple, one-pager.
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John, that's pretty slick! In your form, can't you just use an onClick() to call your calculating function?
That is how I do mine in the VB version.
By the way, I have updated the program's numbers some more. I tweaked them a bit, especially the DynaJet ones.
Any input from youz DynaJet needle guys would be appreciated.
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