18 replys and no one even answered my question. The words Harley Davidson came up and every ones thought train goes to bashing. I realized I wasn't going to get a serious answer here so I posted on another forum and they actually took time to read past HD and answered my question. I,VE discussed many times why the members here feel they have to belittle other people for making their owm choice about the machine they own. I'm not really a miserable old buzzard but you can stay off this site for months, come back ,ask a regular question and the same old crap starts. I really think that the triumph riders think they have something to prove. Someone said the forums they belong to makes fun of other bikes, which forums would they be?, cuz I,ve never seen it except here.Like I said before some things will never change.