i've been over this in my Victory thread,80% of the Harley owners out there are into the image not the bike,and you can't lure them away from the image.notice i said owners not riders,that 80% pretty much covers all the douche bags who wanna dress up and play biker at there local bike night,and there image is all that matters to them.and i know there is a lot of Harley bashing going on here but the Harley riders bring it on themselves,thier arrogant pompous attitudes regarding their "real bikes" are what elicit all the disdain,it's not the bikes i don't like but the people on them.