ok i've been stewing over this for a while and here it is,i think Victory has to have the stupidest marketing strategy ever!why would you try to be the other american brand and price your bikes in direct competiton with harley?if people are going to spend $17,000 they are going to buy a harley.period.what victory should have done is built smaller engine bikes priced to compete with the japanese manufacturers.let's face most people buy shadows and what not because they can't afford a harley.and i'd bet 75% of those jap bike riders would buy an american non harley bike if they were priced competively with the japanese manufacturers.Victory would have been far more successful at cherry picking honda/yamaha/suzuki buyers than HD buyers,period.