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ACLU attacks Mojave Desert WWI Veteran's Memorial

This suit was brought in California by the ACLU on behalf of a single individual from another state who MAY at some point enter the Mojave Desert and be offended.

The ACLU has been in business for a long time, so you see Hope and Change isn't anything new.

I am really offended that someone finds this offensive, who can I sue?

What happened to peoples right to not look if they don't like to see something?

war memorials seem to be a growing trend for these guys. do they not understand that if not for the sacrifices of the fallen in uniform they would not have the freedoms they enjoy so much today. i myself,as a member of the armed forces, harbor an EXTREMELY putrid form of hate and discontent for the ACLU. they go around looking for things to be offended by and then make it a big deal no matter how big or small. so many anti-terrorism measures have been shot down by these s#$%heads its insane. they really do more harm than good. may they all burn in h3ll and be denied popcorn at the movies.

Any bets as to how long we can go before we get this one locked?

FTACLU

I see your point, and yes it's their right to file the suit.

I still have questions though. I understand not having a government sponsored religion, but I don't understand how having a cross sitting on a rock in national land can be construed as a government sponsored religion. Now, if they passed a law requiring everyone bow down to it I'd be right there with you, but a simple memorial? All due respect, I just don't see it...

Hmmm , crosses on government land . Ever been to Arlington ? Nuff said .

Interesting.
A few years ago here in Vegas, the city banned a Christian group from handing out pamphlets on Fremont Street (Glitter Gulch, Downtown; where the Golden Nugget and Four Queens, among other well known casinos are located).

The ACLU filed suit against the city on freedom of speech issues and won. The Christian tracts continue to be handed out.

I put these people in the same bag as those who set about to disrupt the funerals of those who have fallen. They are in my opinion beneath contempt.

People should worry about their own lives and not what their neighbor is doing and the world would be a better place. The radical Muslims let the rest of the world do as they wish, the atheists let those who are believers alone. The people who moved to this country let this country's belief base and language alone. Let memorials to heros alone regardless of where they are, that cross has been there 75 years and hasn't hurt anyone I say let it stand. The guy bringing the suit can't see it from his house so what's the big deal? I think the ACLU had it's place but has now gone way too far for many years.

/Flamesuit ON...

Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion. Amazing how it has gotten twisted over the generations. Really had far more to do with the Church of England and making sure that the new US Government did not do the same. I think the founders would be shocked at how thier words/ideas have been morphed over the years...

/Flamesuit OFF

Rich

+1

Which government is responsible for this phrase on my currency?

Nice eyeliner there Phil! Is it Maybelline?

Speaking as a Jew, the cross does not bother me in the least. There is no inherent evil in any belief system, (including Atheism*), beyond the actions of errant adherents. As in the case with most everything else wrong in our society, it is once again people who are the problem and solely to blame. So long as we continue to patsy the inanimate to explain away actions of the sentient, people will act the fool.

As a member of the ACLU, I take the good with the bad. More often than not I personally disagree with their decisions, but they do fight for the rights of everyone and have championed some rather unpopular positions that I happed to believe in.. Having said that, Christianity is attacked in ways and from directions that no other religion is. To cut counter arguments off at the knee, consider this example:

The Pi$$ Christ. Funded by a grant from the federal government. Hailed and defended by the media as valuable and biting social commentary.

Now consider the same situation with different religions in the 'solution'

What would the reaction to a Pi$$ Mohammad be?

How about a Pi$$ Star of David?

Hello; each of the above would be met with swift and sustained criticism from a number of sources. (And in some cases much worse.) The media would go into a feeding frenzy on the perpetrator of any such religion demeaning display. But Christianity is somehow fair game for any and all criticism. Admittedly there are more than a few loonies running about representing various branches of Christianity, but as in all cases of such idiocy, it is the individual rather than the institution we should disdain.

I disagree with, and vigorously oppose, the eradication of any and every thing even remotely religious from contact with government grounds or buildings due to the next logical step in such thinking: The prohibition against any person with religious belief from partaking in public service. Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion, it is free from persecution from the government based upon religion.



*Atheism. The only truly honest belief system is Agnosticism, which openly admits that it does not definitively know concerning the existence of G-d. All other systems profess either belief or disbelief without the slightest definitive empirical proof to support the stated position.

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The only truly honest belief system is Agnosticism, which openly admits that it does not definitively know concerning the existence of G-d.

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As doubt is a necessary component of faith, all believers would fall under the agnostic umbrella .

(Just bein' a smartass Leno, I get what you mean. )

I think I am gonna sue everyone, just cause at one time or another I am sure they will annoy me.

Sad that because some one is offended all of us lose something that we may actually like or want to see. I get offended at allot of things, doesnt mean I am gonna sue to get it removed. I think everyone has the right to their beliefs but lets not stomp on others rights in the process.

Let me clarify, I am not a religous person nor am I advocating one over an other or advocating the lack of. In God We Trust is chiseled in stone on our monuments and is on our money and should not be changed to make anyone happy or left there to make anyone unhappy. It should be left there because it shouldn't be changed for on person or small group of people. I don't like the holy rollers pushing their beliefs on me any more than I like hearing the atheists complain about it. That cross is a symbol of more than God and has been there not hurting anyone in memory and should be left as such. If anyone doesn't like it then don't look at it. Just like if you don't like what's on TV don't whine about it, change the friggin channel.

I think the symbolism has gotten a little out of context here for what the cross symbolizes. I think you see many monuments as well as Arlington cemetary using a white cross to mark burial sites. Not every person buried there was a christian, and I don't think the white crosses symbolize that they where. I think it is merely a symbol used for memorial of those who have died veterans or active duty. Just because it's a christian symbol too doesn't mean they are linked together. It's just another symbol like the purple heart, the general's stars, or the memorial cross. As a military symbol, it has no religious symbolism.

The American Cemetery in Normandy has white Stars of St David for the solders who Jewish.

Arlington has all religions represented too.



Its really about tolerance. 75 years nobody complains then one guy! But it is his right.

I guess I was thinking of this. It's in France, but it is land owned by the U.S.

Man... religion sure gets peoples' blood flowing... kinda fun to watch. There are a lot of things that make me want to hurl. This isn't one of them. People getting their undies in a bunch over someone putting up a cross... or taking down a cross... whatever.

This quote from Bill Hicks just came to mind:

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Did it ever occur to you that if Jesus DID come back, the LAST thing he'd want to see is a f___ing cross? Isn't that kinda like visiting Jaquie Kennedy wearing a rifle pin on your lapel? "Hey Jaquie, just thinkin' of John"

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Arlington has a few significant crosses...

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The Canadian Cross of Sacrifice, dedicated on Armistice Day 1927, was a gift of Canadian Prime Minister MacKenzie King honors U.S. citizens to honor the many Americans who served in the Canadian Forces in the First, Second and Korean Wars. The cross, designed by Sir Reginald Bloomfield, consists of a bronze sword adorning a 24-foot gray granite cross.

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