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web page "...The NHTSA plans to decide by next year whether to require anti-lock brakes on motorcycles..."
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Why don't they address the real problem? You can have ABS, all weather grip tires, super traction control, self parking, rear camera, auto seatbelt, airbags, any number of super safety features, but when you put an inattentive, cell phone using, book reading, cheeseburger eating, make-up applying, shaving, movie watching dumbass piece of sh!t behind the wheel, none of the safety features work because the driver was doing something else. What the F are antilock brakes going to do when you get T-boned in an intersection? They say deaths and injuries are up over the past 10 years, but what's the ratio of squid to responsible rider? How many fatal accidents could have been prevented with a little common sense? What's the ratio of sport bike fatality to other bikes?
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How many fatal accidents could have been prevented with a little common sense?
Every one.
Sadly, the alcohol content in our age group's fatalities has gone up significantly as the experience level has gone down.
All in all, though, ABS is a significant improvement in braking and every experience I've had with it has been positive despite the nay-sayers. I'd love to try it on a bike, my bet is it's a major improvement unless you're dual sporting on gravel or dirt and then a simple bypass switch would suffice.
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Would love to try out ABS brakes, every time I have ever locked up front, back, both, has not been a good experience. Anybody here have them and used 'em? 
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Well I did demo a used BMW R1200CL which had ABS and power brakes. It was interesting with the power brakes because you had to merely 'touch' them to get action. I braked hard on purpose several times to see what the ABS felt like and it felt very secure. I was able to stop real fast without any ill effects. I think it is something I would like on a bike now that I've tried it.
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no experience with abs. Down the road they may well be standard equipment. like in a decade or so as ‘lecric cage windows were once. Anytime the gov'ment touches something things get fubar really quick. antilock brakes not withstanding! our pursuit of happiness is our choice. Get back to your core reason to be, i.e., stick to paving roads, providing for the national defense etc . Whatever happened to the Hurt Report? Can we please have another similar study based on today’s machines? Or is a study on whether or not the red throated cockroach is more nutritious for the free breakfast at public schools a better use of taxpayer’s dollars?
abs technology is a super sport dream though. ask Ben Spies.
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Why do we insist on spending money for gov,required improvments, when practice and training should be inlisted instead. How much does antilock brakes cost? Shouldn't I have the option not to have them? I don't want a bike with an automatic but wiper, but if someone else thinks I need it they ask congress to make sure I have to have one. At what cost are you guy's willing to have a law passed. If you want to make it safer to ride then how about we spend our hard earned money on more required training?  I've worn seat belts since I was sixteen and I believe in them, but I don't think we need a law that say's we have to wear them. I fail to see what our obssesion with having to tell each other how to live our lives by passing laws to make sure everyone does what I believe to be safe.
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It's pretty apparent that you can't legislate common sense, but they sure love to do it anyway. Quote:
Why do we insist on spending money for gov,required improvments, when practice and training should be inlisted instead. How much does antilock brakes cost? Shouldn't I have the option not to have them? I don't want a bike with an automatic but wiper, but if someone else thinks I need it they ask congress to make sure I have to have one. At what cost are you guy's willing to have a law passed. If you want to make it safer to ride then how about we spend our hard earned money on more required training?
I've worn seat belts since I was sixteen and I believe in them, but I don't think we need a law that say's we have to wear them. I fail to see what our obssesion with having to tell each other how to live our lives by passing laws to make sure everyone does what I believe to be safe.
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My Tiger has ABS brakes, which I wanted on the bike. Before getting the bike I talked with a friend that had a BMW with ABS. He said get it, because if you only had a need for it once in the life of the bike it will more than pay for itself.
There are two types of ABS on bikes. Interlocked and non-interlocked. Triumph uses non-interlocked. Not sure I would like interlocked ABS brakes. I prefer doing most of my braking with the front brakes.
As far as politicians legislating common sense. I think it has more to do with making the voters think they are doing something, so they can get re-elected. It would be very refreshing to have a politician more concerned with the long term good, instead of his short term re-election hopes.
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My first 4 or 5 bikes had anti-lock brakes. Anti-stop too. 
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At first glance, it would seem NHTSA is throwing around ideas to look busy for the boss, and perhaps pump a proposed budget review.
If the famous motorcycle crash study we read about in recent months is still in the wings, radical and very costly agendas as this would seem premature.
While working in the public safety sensitive trucking industry, I witnessed an endless stream of proposed mandates come & go. It usually took many go-rounds to implement them. The environmental issues got passed fairly quickly, whereas the safety issues took longer.
I recall the fatality inducing FMVSS 121 anti lock brake disaster years ago, which was forced down the trucking industry's throats without proper input from the industry. The anti lock systems, as built to the gubmint's spec, ran out of compressed air, causing the truck to either lose all braking or lock all the brakes. What was intended to create safety instead took more than a few to early graves. Many millions were spent to equip trucks with these systems that did not work right. The mandate was later reversed, and we were allowed to de-activate the systems.
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I wish I could DE-activate the anti-lock in my CAR sometimes. I live at the top of a hill (a small hill, this is long island afterall) but there's a semi-blind intersection at the bottom. If there is ice or sand along the shoulder, the anti lock sometimes kicks in causing me to slide FARTHER than I would if I could just let the drivers side tires grip the dry pavement. We're talkin sub-10MPH speeds here. REAL annoying...
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It's pretty apparent that you can't legislate common sense, but they sure love to do it anyway.
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Why do we insist on spending money for gov,required improvments, when practice and training should be inlisted instead. How much does antilock brakes cost? Shouldn't I have the option not to have them? I don't want a bike with an automatic but wiper, but if someone else thinks I need it they ask congress to make sure I have to have one. At what cost are you guy's willing to have a law passed. If you want to make it safer to ride then how about we spend our hard earned money on more required training?
I've worn seat belts since I was sixteen and I believe in them, but I don't think we need a law that say's we have to wear them. I fail to see what our obssesion with having to tell each other how to live our lives by passing laws to make sure everyone does what I believe to be safe.
Ditto on both counts!! I'd rather see much stricter training and re-testing implimented than gadgetry. I just think people will be more likely to fight something if they feel their "rights" are being restricted, since driving is so common in the US, people think it's a right, rather than a privaledge.
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It really bothers me that by direct and indirect (emissions and fuel consumption rules can only be met on many cars by the use of autoshifters) legislation, the gvt is paving the way for less and less competent drivers to be on the road. They should be weeding out the idiots who aim rather than drive, then spend all this effort and cash on providing a viable public transit system. Of all places, here in Clovis we have a potentially good system. The CATS (Clovis Area Transit System) has some regularly scheduled routes, and you can call and arrange for transportation anyplace in town. When advance arrangements are made, they set up a temp route to make this as efficient as possible.
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And by making it so easy to drive by requiring less skill, people get into it so easily and have this sense of entitlement which leads to a lot of problems...
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Do you need special tools to bleed or replace the brake fluid on a bike equiped with ABS?
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Do you need special tools to bleed or replace the brake fluid on a bike equiped with ABS?
I've never worked on a bike equipped with ABS, but I say probably not. On a car, no special tools are necessary but you do have to make sure the ABS had not been activated for a number of stops (thinks it's 10 for GM vehicles).
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I think anti-lock brakes would have prevented the only time I went down on the bike. I don't think I would favor passing a law on anti-lock breaks, but I would favor having them on my bike.
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Why don't they address the real problem? You can have ABS, all weather grip tires, super traction control, self parking, rear camera, auto seatbelt, airbags, any number of super safety features, but when you put an inattentive, cell phone using, book reading, cheeseburger eating, make-up applying, shaving, movie watching dumbass piece of sh!t behind the wheel, none of the safety features work because the driver was doing something else. What the F are antilock brakes going to do when you get T-boned in an intersection? They say deaths and injuries are up over the past 10 years, but what's the ratio of squid to responsible rider? How many fatal accidents could have been prevented with a little common sense? What's the ratio of sport bike fatality to other bikes?
I agree but there are quite a few cruiser riding nitwits too.
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My only experience with ABS brakes was driving in my wife's Chevy Blazer several winters ago. The roads were snow covered and she asked me to take the thing for a ride because "something's wrong with the brakes". It was in 4wd Hi and I was coming uphill to a stop sign. I applied the brakes, something went BRRRRRRRRAAPPPPPPPPP and the thing pawed it's way right through the stop sign. Up hill. Wouldn't stop. I tried it again - same response. Put it in 2wd and it stopped. But had to put it in 4wd to pull out again.
I have no idea what would occur on a motorcycle with ABS (not in the snow, of course) but any government mandated safety feature on any vehicle just removes a little more responsibility for the driver to actually learn how to drive.
I don't think I'm "for" this one.
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What's the ratio of sport bike fatality to other bikes?
I agree but there are quite a few cruiser riding nitwits too.
Absolutely! I ride with both crowds, and yes, there are exceptions to the rule, but I find most sprotbike riders really haul a$$, but ride with full gear and in a more "aware" state  , while my cruiser friends putt around, but with no helmet, and under the influence of alcohol and/or weed.
Of course, theres the J.C.Whitney cover model guys, but their heads are usually wedged WAY up their a$$es. 
Ah!, choices, choices. 
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Me too. I know there are times I'm glad the ABS on my cage worked as intended, but there are times I didn't like the ABS "easing-off" as my cage continued forward. I've yet to experience a panic situation and the ABS NOT work as intended! I sure hope I NEVER do!
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