Dang it Pat, by the time I take three latte breaks, toilet stops, mall shopping, stretching and exercise stops, its gonna take the better part of an hour. For the good of the team, I am making full five minute trips to build up my tolerance and buttocks calluses, gonna work up to seven full minutes in a couple of weeks...... I should be up to ten minute rides by the rally...plenty of saddletime to keep up with you mamsey, pamsey girly northern riders Just remember the southern riding crew is gonna invade the north come September and oh yeah, we are bringing the rebel flag!!!!! ( not!!! ) I am soooo looking forward to this rally...... ride safe.... Gordon