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Disclaimer:DON'T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. I'll try not to spoil it if you can't help yourself. Saw it last night right after reading all the glowing accounts from the fella's here. Jeeez, and you guys are usually alllllright! Nuts to the new one. Rule # 1, ya just don't change the future by going into the past. You tease with it, almost do it, BUT YA JUST DON'T DO IT! Okay, you were too lazy to think up a really good plot, so ya do it anyway. You just expain it away by having a principal character state "This might be an alternate universe", or words to that effect! CRAP! Now you don't have to adhere to ANY of the star trek lore or history. You can say anything ya want. Maybe we'll find out that spock is actually a woman and Kirk is his long lost brother cause, after all, THIS IS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!, after all. And lets get ALL of the original cast members, all on the ship at the same time, cause it's just plain fun! Cheesy. And Kirk becomes the captain of the Enterprise the FIRST TIME HE SETS FOOT ON IT? Yeah, riiiiiight. Cheesy.
The weapons on the Enterprise look like pop guns. (okay, I know this is an early Enterprise, I'll forgive the later weapons upgrade) The internal working of the starship? What, they used an old gas refinery as a prop cause it was cheap to do? Miles and miles of big ole pipe.This is a futuristic starship, for gods sake! Cheesy. I'll quit now. I'm not a trekkie, but I'll bet the real ones are having a cow about all the liberties they took with the lore. Now then, you can all take turns kicking my Buette, but please, no pushing and shoving, and everybody take turns.

You're dead to me.

Rich, Rich, Rich... pipe laden old refineries make excellent star ships (ref. "Alien").

The refiner wasnt the star ship....it was the place where the recruite departed from to go to the starship.

I'll comment on one more thing before I go to bed. You don't blow up a planet, as a plot device, which figures in lots and lots of episodes and scenes in Kirk's and Spocks future. Oh, EXCUSE ME!, this is an "ALTERNATE" universe. Crap. Poor, irresponsible and lazy story telling. Tommorrow I'll read the chewings.

Awe come on! Old Spock is planning the right the time-space continuem for the sequel, or one of the sequels. Anyway, it was still a cool flick.

It's not an alternate universe. It's the same universe that is being rewritten by a temporal event. The people in the universe, the ones who survived, are still mostly the same people. While it's a bit of a coincidence that the same crew still all end up on the Enterprise, that's a conceit I'll buy.

Science Fiction.
Plot devices such as time travel, disruption of temporal norms, Deus ex machina, suspension of reality, etc. are de rigueur in the genre.

And cheesy? He!! yeah. It's supposed to be. That's all part of the fun.

I bet you agree with those "interviewees" on The Onion site.

You want "reality", watch The History Channel.

(Oh, and "Spock" is a proper name and thus should be capitalized).

I think it just might be a case of having too much time on his hands

Jim F

I loved the old show because it was cheesy, just like Dark Shadows, loved that one too. They remade that and they did it too well and I didn't like it.

I did hear that a small consortium of hard core Trek geeks were horrified by the film.

Much as I respect their right to feel that way I will still insist that the film for the vast majority of us was a joy to watch and moreover......its likely to really clean up at the box office....

and for the record thats what counts to the film makers.

It is what it is. The new McMovie was entertaining, especially for fans newer to Star Trek. Not the best movie in the series by any stretch of the imagination, but I am glad I ventured out to see it.

I'll wait for the DVD to see it again though.

I haven't seen it yet but the alternate time line has been done in Trek several times. I have been a big fan of the original Trek since I was a kid so I am aprehensive but open minded.

I think respectfully what is being missed here is this.....

The original series was as cheesy as 10 year old true aged french (spit) blue cheese.

Representations of various aliens and monsters that Kirk and company did combat with took cheezy to an extreme.

In that regard I think its hard to criticize the new film much.

Leonard Nimoy seems to be enthralled with it. Therefore the new film MUST be logically correct to the Roddenberry ethic.

The problem with that is that the hardcore fans have had that stuff for years in the form of novels. I don't see J.J. Abrams just regurgitating other peoples work.

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I think you made some good points here. Well said.

I loved this movie it was a total geekfest and i had a blast watching not only the movie but the people who went to see it

I've only seen the TV ads but, because of them, I have second thoughts about paying to see it. For decades, film makers have used painted backdrops, but the clip where someone is standing with the academy in the background, it is the least realistic painted backdrop I've ever seen.
In the ad, they have a short clip of someone, presumably captain jerk, making whoopy. That tells me that they ran out of plot ideas and had to resort to shagging scenes for a filler.

To bad there are few, if any, recordings of Space Patrol around and Hollywood is too stupid to look into it. That was a top notch series.

Things I didn't like about the film:
1. A Beastie Boys song felt a little out of place
2. Leonard Nimoy's false teeth look dated for the time
3. Simon Pegg was under used (The Willy Wonka tube scene: dumb)
4. Tyler Perry is ... Madea goes to Star Fleet?
5. Kirk hooking up with green women is almost cliche
6. Plot hole, after plot hole
7. young Spock meets old Spock...have you learned nothing from the lessons of Doc Brown?

What was the Beastie Boys song? Intergalacticplanetary?

there was lots of cliches
dude in the red skydive suite gets killed
kirk with no shirt on
every mccoy line
and so many more they did a great job on this movie!!!

I haven't seen the movie but Kirk with the green chick comes from more than 1 episode. The pilot with Pike, the cut double episode made from the pilot and the episode with Lord Garth in the insane asylum.

Greybeard, don't worry, there's no "making whoopie" in the movie. There is some mild kissing that gets interrupted. Not that Kirk doesn't want to practically through the whole movie but he's too busy getting his butt kicked by just about everybody: Romulans, cadets, Spock, heck even Bones (with hyposprays).

I liked it, good flick

My biggest problem with the movie (I haven't seen it) is that I just read through that whole thread. Yes, I should be working, but I'm not.

I liked the action, but as for the story... My wife who grew up on Star Trek is still in shock and has not recovered yet. It's still a subject I can not bring up with out catching a lot of grief. Destroying Vulcan was a bit to much for me. Also folks... I'm sorry I just don't get the love Jones thing between Spock and Uhura. In fact it kind of creeps me out.