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I gotta meet this "Dwight" character someday, he is very entertaining...
Rich, ride with me out to Prescott next year! I figure at my pace we can make it in less than 2 days 
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So, which IS it, Rich??? You FIRST say..."One of the things that I like about hardcore bikers is that they don't bulshoot around, they are who they are and they'll tell it like they see it." But THEN you said..."HOWEVER, once you place an afore mentioned fella in a GROUP, his personallity changes, with violent mob rule mentality replacing reason, and you simply have a different animal." And so...(need I ask here?)...ain't there just a little "continuity problem" there? Hmmmm...now I'm NOT a professional SHRINK here mind ya, BUT this kind'a has the ring to it of "maybe" being mite "Two-faced" or somethin' here, if ya ask ME!!! I mean, are you REALLY seein' somebody "who are what they are" here??? And TRUST ME, you're NOT the first person who's ever told me that THIS tends to be a common trait among those folks EITHER!!! Yep! It sure seems kind'a "funny" to ME whenever someone says that they have a "buddy" who belongs to one o' these organizations who seems to NOT even RECOGNIZE their "buddy" who tellin' me about their "buddy" whenever their "buddy" is with his OTHER "buddies". But trust me AGAIN here, ol' buddy...if you and I would ever meet face to face, you can COUNT on ME bein' JUST LIKE THIS, NO MATTER WHO might be around us at the time!!!  (but PLEASE don't let THAT FACT ALONE scare ya away from ever attending the Southwest Triumph Fest...Ol' Buddy!!!)
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Yep! "A motorcyle SHOULD sound like a motorcycle should sound", alright!
BUT, a motorcycle should NOT sound like a friggin' HARRIER JET!!!
Yeah - gotcha - and no argument here. We've got the same HD morons on this side of the Rocks. That's a whole different issue though, and as you well know by now, we don't allow no OFF TOPIC language in the Lounge. Straighten up, will ya?  
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...what's the point of even bringin' up ANY issue in the Lounge other then "Happy Birthday [fill in the blank]", or "Here's a funny joke, folks" and such, if THAT'S all ya want to do???
I have a controversial recipe for coffee cake but am somewhat leery of posting it here now. 
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"maybe" being mite "Two-faced" or somethin' here, if ya ask ME!!!
There is certainly some truth to what you say, Dwight. In fact, I am constantly thinking of that old saying, "on the other hand..." I am often of two minds about things.   But to clarify, what I was trying to say, was that people have widely different opinions of hard core bikers, or to be more exact, "outlaw bikers", because they can be more than one person socially. And this is true of my experience. Again, I apprieciate their culture of no bullshoot when you talk to them one on one, but they are nothing BUT macho bullsheeters when in a group. Hope this clarifies it for you. And by the way, so I'm not further misunderstood, I meant that you are "entertaining" in a positive way. When Dave and I travel to see the "Wiz" in weird ole Oz, we'll try to get a word or two in with ya! 
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I apprieciate their culture of no bullshoot when you talk to them one on one, but they are nothing BUT macho bullsheeters when in a group.
The problem isn't what they say, it's what they do. You know, there's a local pizzaria here that I won't go into anymore because they have a big photo of John Gotti on the wall. They seem to think it's a cool representation of hip NY culture, but I think it might as well be Hitler or Mao or Stalin or some other murderin' scum. HA falls in the same category, they just don't have the political clout to do it en masse. One of 'em dead? Four arrested? Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of sh*theads.
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Oh GEEEZ!!! That reminds me....  Note to self: Remember to remove autographed picture of Il Duce from game room wall before SWTF attendees arrive this year. Thanks Jackson, Ol' Boy!!!  (yep, that "eye-talian" MAY have "made the trains run on time" alright, but I sometimes forget that dude STILL doesn't exactly have the best "rep" goin' out there, ya know!!!) 
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This thread hasn't been shut down yet, so I guess it's time to post my .02...
A while back I replied to a thread about passing a group ride, stating that passing or cutting into the wrong group could get you your ****** handed to you. The comments that followed indicated that I was somehow living in the past - that stuff doesn't happen anymore. Well, as the Dog mentioned in his comment here, it does still happen, you just don't hear about it as much....
Case in point - it was in the news about 2 weeks ago - a small group of people went into a bar about 9 miles from where I live, on a road I travel quite often. The bar used to be a country-western place. They went in and found it was now a hangout for "bikers" - particularly a certain group - and from what the news report said, an argument started over "country music". The group made their way out to the parking lot to leave only to be told they weren't going anywhere. One of them got in his vehicle, several shots were fired, and he made it a short way down the road before crashing - and then dying from a gunshot wound. Four of these "no bullshooting" citizens, one of them an ex-Pgh cop, were arrested. All were wearing their colors. The victim was in his 30's, so he didn't know what the 60's were like. I imagine he didn't have any idea who he was dealing with either. Because this stuff just doesn't happen anymore...
Another case in point.
A young guy who worked in the shop for me about 5 years ago got married to a wacko woman with a wacko family who made his life ******. He was a good guy but not the brightest bulb on the xmas tree. He ended up spending a few nights in jail after she locked him out of "HIS" house and filed a restaining order against him. He ended up quitting our place and got a job with a local borough. Last year it was learned that he was back in jail again. Seems he had become a Chapter Leader of the same "non-bullshooter" social group mentioned above and they had a problem with a sport bike rider who had dared enter their favorite watering hole. They clubbed the crap out of him and put him in the hospital....
It's a good thing that stuff doesn't happen anymore.
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Eeh! I'm sure it's (what was that I read by somebody above, oh yeah)...that those folks just get "bad press", or was it that some of us just "don't understand their lifestyle", or maybe it was somethin' like YOU made note of when you said "they don't bullsh*t around"(an "attribute of personality" you seem to think, just as I DO, AIN'T THAT much of an "attribute of personality" as some folks seem to THINK it is!!!
And THAT'S kind'a been MY(and it appears yours TOO, Deon) POINT about this whole issue at hand.
And so, ONE AGAIN, I'm going to ask some of the folks here who have voiced some sort of "support" for these folks in question...WHAT is so friggin' ADMIRABLE about ANY INDIVIDUAL or GROUP who DON'T seem to have the ABILITY to, YES..."BULLSH*T AROUND"...WITH OTHER FOLKS who may NOT be in their "circle of friends"???
And WHY does it seem to me that WAY too many folks seem to continually ALIBI for, and in fact even seem somewhat "impressed" with these types of individuals???
So, what is it, HUH?! Do they SUPPOSELY "personify what a 'Real Man' IS" or SOMETHIN'??? So, WHAT the heck IS IT, HUH???!!!
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Actually, my point was that it is still an issue, these groups still exist, they sell drugs and guns and are still a danger to the casual rider. Not to mention the societal harm they do. I don't argue your point - there are cretins in all facets of life...
A lot of the members here don't have these encounters. I've had a few. Just be aware.
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Eeh! I'm sure it's (what was that I read by somebody above, oh yeah)...that those folks just get "bad press"
I believe I stated that “certain biker news is all too often sensationalized beyond the merits of the story.†Of course we all know that the media would never play up a story for ratings, right? Like they have been known to do on gun stories? From personal experience: In a Maryland bar in early 1981 three Marines from my company somehow picked a fight with a patch holder by insulting his old lady. I was across the bar and did not hear everything that was said, but I did see a Marine throw the first punch. A three on three fight erupted and the police were called to the scene. Every male in the bar was arrested, myself included. The news story that night? “Biker Gang attacks local Marines!†The charges were later diminished from assault to disturbing the peace as eyewitnesses accounts made it clear that the patch holder did not initiate the fight. (Interesting that in the end only the patch holders were charged.) Evil bikers, they prolly deserved it, right? Of course the media never reported the outcome, and the public perception remained: “Biker Gang attacks local Marines!†Granted that it may not be typical, but it does happen quite a bit.
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…or was it that some of us just "don't understand their lifestyle"
Although I never came close to even implying that, did it really need to be stated after the suggestion that someone living in Texas visit their local chapter of Dwight’s favorite motorcycle club? But that does not serve to invalidate either your opinion or your right to an opinion. You don’t like certain motorcycle clubs, fine by me. You think certain motorcycle clubs are detrimental to motorcycling in general, you are entitled to that opinion. But what I have, and continue to counter is both your projection of motive to those who join motorcycle clubs you do not personally approve of, and the suggested motives of those who refuse to wield torches and pitchforks in this thread to demonize them. That any who dare suggest that including every patch holder in any motorcycle club as undesirable criminals who sell guns and drugs may be casting too wide a net is somehow infatuated with hardcore bikers and willing to alibi any action on their part. Do some members of high profile motorcycle clubs commit crimes? Well, duh. But to say anyone who wears a given motorcycle club patch on their back is presumed guilty until proven either guilty or guiltier is in my opinion a bit much. Innocent until individually proven guilty? No? Well I will have to hang this jury, because that is a principle I hold dear.
A real man does what he wants to do regardless of what other people think about it. That includes joining an unpopular motorcycle club, or criticizing an unpopular motorcycle club, and even refusing to criticize an unpopular motorcycle club.
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Oh, don't worry there, Deon. I got your point alright!
"Maybe" I'm "off-point again"(though I don't think so), but MY POINT was...What say we take a LOOK at the CAUSES of this kind of mentality which leads to overt anti-social behavior AND VIOLENCE...and then MAYBE a few more of us around here will see, and then stop attributing character "attributes" to people who...YES...QUOTE..."Don't bullsh*t around"!!!
(ya SEE folks?....didn't I warn ya earlier to NOT try and RATIONALIZE the existence of these kinds of "organizations" to me????....because, when you REALLY look into this phenomenon, YOU CAN'T!...you can ONLY attempt to understand it!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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A real man does what he wants to do regardless of what other people think about it.
NOPE, Leno! And I suppose THAT'S where we BASICALLY differ, RIGHT THERE!!!
because I BELIEVE that...A real man does what NEEDS to be done, regardless of what other people think about it!
Did ya notice I said "needs to be done" there, and NOT "what he WANTS to do"!!! There's a BIG OL' difference there, my friend.
Because, if you really THINK about what could be wrong with folks, and it sometimes seems ESPECIALLY in these here United States, it's the "idea" that "I WANT what I WANT and I'm gonna GET IT, and I don't care WHO that offends or what they think about it!"
(and THAT sir is NOT the mark of a "Real Man" to me!...just a selfish little boy)
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A real man would want to do what needs to be done.
Was there anything else?
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A real man would want to do what needs to be done.
Nope. Not necessarily. There would and could be MANY occasions in a "Real Man"'s life where he wouldn't "want" to do what needs to be done, but still goes about it anyway!
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Was there anything else?
Nope! Not that I can think of at the moment, EXCEPT maybe to say...I've greatly enjoyed reading your opinions here, amigo! 
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Nope. Not necessarily. There would and could be MANY occasions in a "Real Man"'s life where he wouldn't "want" to do what needs to be done, but still goes about it anyway!
Our disagreement is one more of semantics than substance. Suffice it to say that a real man does not let the opinion of others influence his actions... even when he wants to do what needs to be done.
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I've greatly enjoyed reading your opinions here, amigo!
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Happened to run across a followup to this story that discusses the Australia problem in more detail. Bombings, shootings, bashings, etc. Funny, there's a biker bar a couple miles from me, and something must've happened there last night. I drove by in my truck, and there were HDs and cops all over the place. Three police cars if I counted correctly (probably the entire force where I live, a satellite of Austin). Anyway, here's the Aussie story: Biker Violence
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Ain't it kind'a "funny" that it seems "some" of these different "organizations" often seem to have a "little" problem settling their "differences of opinion" in the SAME MANNER as Leno and I did in this thread???  So geeeeee....MAYBE, as I said above, "not takin' any bullsh*t from others" ISN'T all it's cracked up to be sometimes, huh folks?!  (and I rest my case)
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Ain't it kind'a "funny" that it seems "some" of these different "organizations" often seem to have a "little" problem settling their "differences of opinion" in the SAME MANNER as Leno and I did in this thread???
Maybe they can't type.
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Oooooh...good point, Jackson. (now THERE'S ya an aspect of this whole thing I may not have considered before, huh?!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Ain't it kind'a "funny" that it seems "some" of these different "organizations" often seem to have a "little" problem settling their "differences of opinion" in the SAME MANNER as Leno and I did in this thread???
Maybe they can't type.
Or read.
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Happened to run across a followup to this story that discusses the Australia problem in more detail. Bombings, shootings, bashings, etc. Anyway, here's the Aussie story: Biker Violence erupts over Thunderbird controversy
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...Anyway, here's the Aussie story: Biker Violence erupts over Thunderbird controversy
Well then, I guess the main stream Media got THIS whole sorry mess ALL WRONG once again TOO!!!
Yep! Because from MY sources Down Under I've heard that the whole "Thunderbird Controversy" down there in Oz WASN'T about any perceived lack of 'fin-age" OR even talk of radiators...BUT was IN FACT was about what WINE was most appropriately served when you're eatin' kangaroo!!!
Uh huh! It seems the H/A charter members were sayin' "Thunderbird" alright, BUT the Mongols were sayin' "Muscatel", and THEN all H*LL broke loose!!!
And yet ANOTHER reason WHY these kinds of "organizations" could be considered "somewhat uncouth", RIGHT???
(I mean, COME ON NOW, I ASK you....WHAT kind of a motorcycle "club" would FAIL to have among their membership a friggin' SOMMELIER in order to settle just THESE KINDS of issues whenever they might come up, HUH???!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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