Sorry Dwight, but I'm partin' company with ya on the pipes. I've been ridin' quite some time myself, and the difference in the number of close calls and lane squeezins I have to fend off is absolutely black and white. Now, maybe Austin drivers are just more unconscious than those in LA, but I don't think so. See, I've driven in LA and Chicago and Montreal and Beijing and NYC, etc., etc., and the fact is, most drivers on this planet don't have enough IQ to steer a Radio Flyer without head trauma. I can't go two days - and I mean *two days* - in this fair town with quiet pipes without being forced oughta my lane or cut off by one of these idiots. With loud pipes, that simply doesn't happen - never, not at all, nada, nein, bu shi. So, while I think highly of your opinions on nearly everything else (and especially as regards the T-boid of the supposed future), you're simply not correct on this very important issue. If ya don't wanna die or end up in traction for a couple months, your motorcycle should sound like a motorcycle should sound.