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As an owner of an America and a R3, I'll agree that the R3 is a bruiser in the BEST possible way.
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Belt drive is a minus to me. Can't fix it along the road and have to take half the bike apart to change it. Never had any problem with guys telling them my bike is 800cc since it will out run most of their 1340s or what ever size V twin they have and out handle them on the curves and also get most of the attention that requires me to tell anyone what size it is in the first place.
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Belt drive is a minus to me. Can't fix it along the road and have to take half the bike apart to change it. Never had any problem with guys telling them my bike is 800cc since it will out run most of their 1340s or what ever size V twin they have and out handle them on the curves and also get most of the attention that requires me to tell anyone what size it is in the first place.
Modern belt drives are pretty reliable these days and maintenance free to boot.
I'd never want a bike with a chain again. What a PITA on long-distance trips having to worry about waxing the chain. 
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Trust me guys I'm in no way bashing the America. It is a sturdy piece of workmanship. I'm just saying the things added on the thunderbird are bonuses for me. It's pretty disturbing when I'm driving along a curbed road, and all I hear outta my right ear is the rattling chain echoing off the curb. If the chain breaks, I'm screwed anyway because I don't have the tools to fix it. Also, if I clean that rear rim up nice, it'll stay that way not having to use chain lube every 200 clicks.
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The only thing the turd bird will bruise is the owners ego!
Here we go again. Another philswill/lazyrider type personality that is the be all and end all of the motorcycling world. Someday, maybe us future "turd burd" riders will get a clue and live up to erle's standards. Oh, we can only hope.
I doubt it, on either part. 
Didn't mean to upset your feminine side. 
I certainly HOPE they sell, it's getting old bashing Harley riders.
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Eddy was referring to the Rocket III as a "bruiser"
And by implied association, also to the 'Bird.
Your inference is erroneous.
Note the word "if".
Right or not, I surely interpreted it as a direct comparison. 
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reading comprehension....FAIL!
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Belt drive is a minus to me. Can't fix it along the road and have to take half the bike apart to change it. Never had any problem with guys telling them my bike is 800cc since it will out run most of their 1340s or what ever size V twin they have and out handle them on the curves and also get most of the attention that requires me to tell anyone what size it is in the first place.
Modern belt drives are pretty reliable these days and maintenance free to boot.
I'd never want a bike with a chain again. What a PITA on long-distance trips having to worry about waxing the chain.
LOL modern chains don't really require lube I have lubed mine about 4 times in 20,000 miles. I have been with a few guys who broke belts or stripped teeth off them, they called a truck and were done. I have been with guys who broke chains and pulled a chain breaker out of the tool bag with a master ling , fixed it and rode the rest of the day. Never saw a guy fix a belt along the road and ride the rest of the day also never saw anyone change a belt without pulling the rear wheel and swing arm. Hmmmm yep I guess belts are wonderful,,,,NOT!
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Right or not, I surely interpreted it as a direct comparison.
Of course it was a comparison. They just don't like what you did with it, so they're spoilin' for an argument about grammatical structure and semantics. 
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Belt drive is a minus to me. Can't fix it along the road and have to take half the bike apart to change it. Never had any problem with guys telling them my bike is 800cc since it will out run most of their 1340s or what ever size V twin they have and out handle them on the curves and also get most of the attention that requires me to tell anyone what size it is in the first place.
Modern belt drives are pretty reliable these days and maintenance free to boot.
I'd never want a bike with a chain again. What a PITA on long-distance trips having to worry about waxing the chain.
LOL modern chains don't really require lube I have lubed mine about 4 times in 20,000 miles. I have been with a few guys who broke belts or stripped teeth off them, they called a truck and were done. I have been with guys who broke chains and pulled a chain breaker out of the tool bag with a master ling , fixed it and rode the rest of the day. Never saw a guy fix a belt along the road and ride the rest of the day also never saw anyone change a belt without pulling the rear wheel and swing arm. Hmmmm yep I guess belts are wonderful,,,,NOT!
I'm not carrying a chain breaker around and I'm guessing few other guys are either. Ridiculous. 
I ride with guys who have nothing but belts, and it's never a problem. It's the 21st century, get with the program.
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almost every biker I know carries enough tools to fix small problems along the road. It's just the smart thing to do. Yep and even in the 21st century you can't fix a belt along the road or change one without pulling the rear wheel and swing arm. Not to mention anyone I know making real horsepower runs a chain too.
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guess that's the difference between bikers and posers?
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I do carry a tool for practically everything on the bike. Just not a chain breaker or extra links to replace the bad one. Yes belts break, and chains shatter. Honestly, I could give 2 $hit$. I think risking (small risk) a belt breaking is worth the benefit of no maintenance or noise. How long does it take you to replace links on a chain that's tight on the gears? Probably just as fast as me pulling 2 bolts to replace the belt.
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2 bolts? Benefits? I can't hear my chain over my exhaust. And if the chain doesn't fit the sprocket it should have been changed long ago. I have fixed a broken chain in less than 15 min along the road when is the last time you changed a belt that fast? That and I channge a chain without removing any bolts.
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almost every biker I know carries enough tools to fix small problems along the road.
I don't. I carry an RAC Card!!!
(For the benefit of those over the pond.... Royal Automobile Club. Breakdown cover)
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Well, if one completely ignores grammatical structure and semantics, then I suppose anything could be "interpreted" to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. The binky becomes you, keep it.
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Ok Ian, you're one of the few I want to argue with as far as mechanics goes. Can we both agree that either item whether chain or belt has it's benefits? I say I'd benefit better if I had a belt drive, you say you'd benefit better with a chain. Lets put our differences aside, and agree to disagree. I like the belt idea, and you like the chain. So be it.
Also, two bolts, the axle, and the swingarm. I haven't looked real close to our bikes, but I've changed out wheels, and pulled swingarms on several bikes. Granted most of them were dirt bikes, but it can't be much different, and it can be done on the side of the rode.
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No it's about the same for dirt or road bikes. Belts do have benefits as far as being smooth and quiet as long as you don't get a squeeker. No hard feelings, I enjoy a heated discussion now and then. If I was really mad or didn't like you it would be obvious! I just get going about certain subjects.
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Right you are Aaron, It's no great shakes to change a belt. It's no big deal to carry a chain tool either, they're small. I like the idea of maintenance free on the belt (though Ian's chain is maintenance free ) and they are quite durable and long lasting.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I think I'm going to the Moderator Chalet, high in the Rocky Mountains, and suggest to my esteem fellow moderators that the subject of the new Thunderbird has reached religious/political status, and it be banned from this site.
Or maybe I'll just buy one and ditch all you people.
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I doubt it, on either part.
I am sure of it.
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Didn't mean to upset your feminine side.
Thanks for demonstrating your level of class or lack thereof.
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I certainly HOPE they sell, it's getting old bashing Harley riders.
Stop bashing HD peeps just because you can't afford your lifelong dream.
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One thing is for certain, in a year, two tops, WE"LL KNOW FOR SURE!
Yes, we will.
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And I am completely and utterly done with you.
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Well, if one completely ignores grammatical structure and semantics
But of course, no one did any such thing. The OP clearly created a common point of reference between the Bird and the Rocket. That comparison was the entire point of his post, and it's irrelevant to Erle's comments that he (the OP) qualified it as tentative. BTW, if you Google for typos, you can complain about some of the other authors, too. Won't that be fun?
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But of course, no one did any such thing.
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The OP clearly created a common point of reference between the Bird and the Rocket
"If" is not comparative. It's a supposition.
The "Bruiser" moniker was applied to the RIII exclusively.
I know, semantics
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Sooo... The T-Max is a bruiser but the T-Rod may or may not be? Not making a whole lot of sense here. 
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In my neck of the redwoods the term 'bruiser' is usually used as a positive.
A bike being described as a bruiser would be a good thing.
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"If" is not comparative. It's a supposition.
You continue to misread the thread. I said he "qualified it as tentative."
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The "Bruiser" moniker was applied to the RIII exclusively.
No, it wasn't. Erle's comprehension of what was said is just fine. Why not admit it's really his opinion that you have a problem with, and be done with it?
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In my neck of the redwoods the term 'bruiser' is usually used as a positive.
Right, which is why Erle said the Bird would only bruise the owner's ego. 
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I said he "qualified it as tentative."
You should be in politics.
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Why not admit it's really his opinion that you have a problem with
Because it's not.
My own opinion about the T-bird is one of ambivalence. I need to ride one before I can decide.
I really don't care about others opinions.
Like it or hate it, so what?
Nobody except erle (and apparently you) inferred the"bruiser" reference to the T-bird. Period. And that in order to make a dubious point. Get over it.
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Not to mention anyone I know making real horsepower runs a chain too.
I guess that leaves the T-Bird out!
So, where exactly does imitation horsepower end, and "real" horsepower begin?
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Enough to strip the teeth right off the belt when you dump the clutch.
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And I am completely and utterly done with you.
Say it isn't so! 
I'm sorry to get you SO upset over my opinion. I will keep it to my self, as I know your deposit is non refundable. 
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So the whopping 80 hp cranking out of that 1600 cc motor is enough to shred any belt? I doubt it. That's what we're really talking about here is a belt drive system on the thunderbird. Chains snap too at "real" horsepower levels. A belt will have no problem running with 80 hp for probably the life of the bike.
How bout we turn our heads to the real problem in this thread? Grammatical errors, misunderstandings, and the oppinions of others and how others disagree with that opinion. Come on guys this isn't "The View".
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How bout we turn our heads to the real problem in this thread? Grammatical errors, misunderstandings, and the oppinions of others and how others disagree with that opinion. Come on guys this isn't "The View".
Sometimes it does seem hard to tell, doesn't it.
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So the whopping 80 hp cranking out of that 1600 cc motor is enough to shred any belt? I doubt it. That's what we're really talking about here is a belt drive system on the thunderbird. Chains snap too at "real" horsepower levels. A belt will have no problem running with 80 hp for probably the life of the bike.
How bout we turn our heads to the real problem in this thread? Grammatical errors, misunderstandings, and the oppinions of others and how others disagree with that opinion. Come on guys this isn't "The View".
Are you going to start again? I didn't say the Tbird would I said real HP and that isn't enough but the teeth will strip long before a good chain breaks.
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Horsepower schmower. The important figure is torque. The factory claims 107.7 ft.lbs at 2750 rpm for the T-bird. Not going to "shred" a modern technology belt, but it's definatly respectable.
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So the whopping 80 hp cranking out of that 1600 cc motor is enough to shred any belt? I doubt it. That's what we're really talking about here is a belt drive system on the thunderbird. Chains snap too at "real" horsepower levels. A belt will have no problem running with 80 hp for probably the life of the bike.
How bout we turn our heads to the real problem in this thread? Grammatical errors, misunderstandings, and the oppinions of others and how others disagree with that opinion. Come on guys this isn't "The View".
Are you going to start again? I didn't say the Tbird would I said real HP and that isn't enough but the teeth will strip long before a good chain breaks.
There's gotta be a good You Tube video of that.
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I agree with you, and you are correct Ian. I'm not trying to start anything, I was just being a smarta$$ under technicality.
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The important figure is torque. The factory claims 107.7 ft.lbs at 2750 rpm for the T-bird. Not going to "shred" a modern technology belt, but it's definatly respectable.
I agree, Bill. Also both an admirable and enviable figure (given it's class).
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